Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Yesterday you posted a bunch of links from the same site. A page contained this treasure within post #268493 --
"ICD-10-CM O03.9 is part of Diagnostic Related Group(s)(MS-DRG v28.0):
770 Abortion with d&c, aspiration curettage or hysterotomy
779 Abortion without d&c"
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...
Now, wasn't your original claim that D&Cs are different depending on spontaneous and induced abortions? From what it says above, there is no difference. Just as has been claimed over and over again.
I think you do not understand what you read no matter who writes it.
Katie: "Now, wasn't your original claim that D&Cs are different depending on spontaneous and induced abortions? From what it says above, there is no difference."

A patient placed within a particular Diagnostic Related Group doesn't mean he/she is same as others in that group. The hospital is reimbursed the same for those in that group, even though they may receive different treatments for different reasons.

Submissions for reimbursement to Medicare for an induced abortion would be clear it is for an induced abortion. Doc/code for Rape/incest/life of mother and Proper ICD-9 code.

I shared yesterday that ICD-9 codes are clear that differences exist:

634 Spontaneous abortion (non-elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...

635 Legally induced abortion (elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...

636 Illegally induced abortion (elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...

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You're the ones lying to yourselves about what we supposedly said. You have constantly been posting to us about things we haven't said, things we haven't posted and it's because you misread everything. Then you accuse us of lying when we've been the ones proving our claims, while you haven't proven us wrong. The only thing you erver prove is that you're brain is lost in space somewhere, because you have no clue what's going on in this forum.
You definitely said PC's said a D&C was an abortion and we did not. Not in February, not in October and not now.

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Ya FREAKIN' think AFTER the numbers WHO HAVE posted here...OVER...250,000......THA T this thread WOULD have retired by now...since Romney...DIDN'T win the election..
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You'll get to the medical links, I'm sure. The pregnancy ends when the fetus is expelled, one way or the other.
i'm sure too. take your pick, stupid.

http://search.medicinenet.com/search/search_r...

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/pregna...
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elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>You're wrong. Read a textbook.
i did. you're wrong.

stupid too.
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<quoted text>Sorry,
apology not accepted.

but legally the only accepted definition of pregnancy is the medical definition
i'll buy that.
and it does not specify that a woman is pregnant only when the fertilized egg is still "developing".
it sure does.

As long as there is a fertilized egg that has implanted in the uterus she is pregnant and even Lynne will agree to that.
as long as that fertilized egg is growing and developing. if it's dead and no longer capable of developing, she's not pregnant.

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I'm sorry, but nothing there refutes the medical definition of abortion.

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No Relativism wrote:
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NR: Target archery uses a quiver, arrows, bow, and target.
One archer shoots at a target. Another archer shoots at a target that has a sleeping baby placed just in front of it.
In your mind, AyakaNeo, both archers are using same equipment, and using same technique. You ignore the fact that the second archer kills a little human in pursuit of the target.
Foo: Why is it your kind ALWAYS make up stupid shit like this, then wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
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Foo, you are a deathscort.
You are the evil individual who escorts & places sleeping baby in front of target.
Thank you for proving my point again No Relevance.

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lil Lily wrote:
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"Reading comprehension has nothing to do with the fact that you have referred to me as a bonehead in previous posts related to the same subject."
Yet, when you mentioned me calling you "bonehead", it was in reply to a post in which I called you "Clueless".
It makes no difference which post of yours I replied to. Fact is you have called me bonehead, clueless, toots, etc. throughout this same discussion.
lil Lily wrote:
You quote my post and Foo's reply to it,
~lil Lily wrote:
How about the fact that a D&C for a miscarriage is NOT "an abortion" like pro-choicers claimed it was,and that too was refuted by pro-lifers with facts, and all pro-choicers did in the face of facts was impotently try to deny the facts. lol and that too was refuted by pro-lifers with facts, and all pro-choicers did in the face of facts was impotently try to deny the facts. lol
For which Foo replied:
"Nobody claimed it was Lynne. The FACT is a D&C FOR an abortion is the EXACT SAME PROCEDURE as a D&C for ANY other purpose".~
You then ask, "If no one said it was an abortion what exactly is there to refute?"
I've already proven with the posts, post numbers and links to the posts of the pro-choicers who did in fact call a D&C after a miscarriage "an abortion".
Then why didn't you post them here again? You should still have those post numbers.
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You're a reall fool to go only by what a proven pathological liar like Foo posts, which is what you did and I already proved she lied in saying that.
I didn't just read Foo's post. Elise said it and Katie did too. Are they all pathological liars?
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You don't pay attention to anyone but pro-choicers, and you won't have a factual or intelligent basis for argument by doing that.
Oh please, so I should just listen to you because you have all the facts and never lie right?
lil Lily wrote:
You keep trying to piece together the discussions that took place, and you're doing a very crappy job at it.
There was no piecing together. You out of the blue come out with that post saying a PCer said it, no prochoicer said it in February prior to you saying they did. Prior to February when it was actually discussed what PC'r said the D&C was an abortion. If it wasn't Foo, Elise or Katie then they have their facts straight.
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You have no clue what you're talking about, what's been said when, why or in what context, and what you bring up to try to prove you do, only proves you don't.
Go back and read the post yourself. You brought it up in February and you were told then that a D&C was not an abortion by at least 3 PC posters. I told you it wasn't an abortion so that's 4 PC posters. So ruling out the fact that it wasn't me, Foo, Elise or Katie, who said it? You're so good at remembering what people posted and understand the context of what they posted even when you were not posting at the time, you should have no problem remembering who said it.
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Foo makes a claim she can't prove, and you believe it ansd try to use it, while we pro-lifers prove it's a lie.
Foo this, Foo that, every single day it's Foo Foo Foo.
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Elise makes claims she doesn't prove, and we prove her claims are bullshit too. You use their unsubstantiated claims to try to make and prove a point.
You're so inept at this it's ridiculous.
Which claims Lynne? Don't just say Elise makes claims and provides no proof without providing the proof it's true.*facepalm*

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lil Lily wrote:
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Bitner, you failed.
Uh no Lynnikins, YOU failed. Many years ago, and continue to do so on a daily basis here.

If you weren't a complete and utter failure, someone MIGHT take you seriously.

You must LOVE ridicule as well as abuse Lynniekins.

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That's not what it says at all; it says they should work with teams to improve documentation. It does NOT say they should all learn coding. Coding is a specialty unto itself.
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Foo: How typically dishonest of No Relevance to leave out one of the more important lines in that article:
"The report recommends that nurses specializing in informatics work with interdisciplinary teams to modify clinical documentation and workflow." Not all nurses are involved in billing and coding dear.
Elise: He doesn't know what informatics is. He doesn't know that nursing is a wide open profession and many specialties in nursing do not involve patient care. He is ignorant and needs to shut up.
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Foo reinforced my point.
"The report recommends that nurses specializing in informatics work with interdisciplinary teams to modify clinical documentation and workflow."
The report recommends that you familiarize yourself w/ coding to improve your "documentation & workflow." You work on a clinical interdisciplinary team, dear. Your knowledge of coding improves chances for reimbursement.

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No Relativism wrote:
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DNA analysis of a tumor from your body would still show it was part of your body (albeit w/ an aberration).
Prove that please.

Mom doesn't have two beating hearts.
When she's pregnant she does. One is in her chest the other is in her embryo or fetus.

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Oh, goody! more PLM gobbledygook!

Deathscort? Why can't you zombies make a point without raping the english language?

When you filled out the analogy portion of the SAT, did the monitor slap you?
No Relativism wrote:
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NR: Target archery uses a quiver, arrows, bow, and target.
One archer shoots at a target. Another archer shoots at a target that has a sleeping baby placed just in front of it.
In your mind, AyakaNeo, both archers are using same equipment, and using same technique. You ignore the fact that the second archer kills a little human in pursuit of the target.
Foo: Why is it your kind ALWAYS make up stupid shit like this, then wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
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Foo, you are a deathscort.
You are the evil individual who escorts & places sleeping baby in front of target.

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lil Lily wrote:
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I'm Lily,
Yes Lynne, we know, its your "new" screen name. However its ALSO known that your old SN was Lynne D among others.

Tell us, do you REALLY think you're fooling ANYONE Lynne D?

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worships reality wrote:
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apology not accepted.
It wasn't an apology, context is everything.
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it sure does.
No it doesn't.
worships reality wrote:
as long as that fertilized egg is growing and developing. if it's dead and no longer capable of developing, she's not pregnant.
Then explain why she can't get pregnant with another developing embryo?

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No Relativism wrote:
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AyakaNeo: "It's the same bow and arrow in any type of abortion, spontaneous or intentional."
As you stand before the two targets, you overlook the sleeping baby in front of one target. The archer not only seeks to hit the target w/ his bow & arrow, he intends to kill the baby in process.
How sweet, a sleeping baby. Your analogy is still stupid.

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Insurance companies create their own categories of payment, but they do not affect the medical procedures themselves. This discussion had nothing to do with coverage.
No Relativism wrote:
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Katie: "Now, wasn't your original claim that D&Cs are different depending on spontaneous and induced abortions? From what it says above, there is no difference."
A patient placed within a particular Diagnostic Related Group doesn't mean he/she is same as others in that group. The hospital is reimbursed the same for those in that group, even though they may receive different treatments for different reasons.
Submissions for reimbursement to Medicare for an induced abortion would be clear it is for an induced abortion. Doc/code for Rape/incest/life of mother and Proper ICD-9 code.
I shared yesterday that ICD-9 codes are clear that differences exist:
634 Spontaneous abortion (non-elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...
635 Legally induced abortion (elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...
636 Illegally induced abortion (elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...
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Bitner wrote:
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"Listen, Boenehead, you couldn't be less effective in prving me wrong if you tried."
I didn't have to. Both the medical definition of abortion, and your own source did it for me.
"When a fetus dies, the pregnancy is OVER."
Not according to the medical sources.
"What's left to happen is for the contents of the uterus to come out, whether naturally, or with help by having a D&C procedure done to remove whatever still remains in the uterus."
Either way, the woman is still pregnant, and if the spontaneous abortion is not complete (that's what missed miscarriage MEANS), then the pregnancy must be ended by an abortion.
"That procedure is NOT called an "abortion"."
If it's used to removed the fetus, yes it is.
"The pregnancy will not continue to develop, no matter whether the fetus comes out or not. It will not so it's done."
Regardless. Both the medical definition of abortion, and your own source concurs; the woman is still pregnant, even if the fetus has died.
"Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically)."
We already know a fetus that dies in utero results in a spontaneous "abortion".
An "induced abortion" isn't what's done when a fetus died in utero. Or will your next argument be that it is?"
My argument is what it's been this whole time. Your own source, and the medical definition of abortion has proven my argument right.
By the way "Lily" @@, could you explain to all of us what a missed period is? Or a missed appointment? Pretty please?:)
This is absolutely stupid.

If you miscarried your child would you still answer 'yes " when asked if you were pregnant?

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Nope. A pregnancy can continue even if the fetus dies. Hell, there are cases of pregnancy with no fetuses at all. Pregnancy refers to the activity of the woman's body.
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apology not accepted.
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i'll buy that.
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it sure does.
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as long as that fertilized egg is growing and developing. if it's dead and no longer capable of developing, she's not pregnant.
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Where do you get your info from? "Very few Catholics are born into the religion

What do you mean that you "didnt drive a human to be killed"?

What was in that womans womb other than a human?

You saw pictures(ultrasounds) of your son and daughter while in utero. THEY weren't human? WTH did you impregnate? A cow? A horse?

Wait...they are part of you...do you mean to tell me that you aren't human?

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Hey, back off on the convert thing. My understanding is that Christians are all converts, and very few Catholics are born into the religion
Yes, I follow and accept G-d's teachings. Only that I don't recognize Jeebus as G-d. You do. In fact, I can easily point out to a verse in the New Testament, which denies the trinity is what you refer to as the proverbial "all in one and one in all" as you Catholics, and Christians alike profess they are. It is, Matthew 24:36, which reads:
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
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Nope. I drove a woman to have an abortion. I didn't drive a human to be killed. I drove its mother to kill him. Two different things, although the end result was the same. How many "abortions" is G-d responsible for, notwithstanding the 60% of zygotes, which you Catholics refer to as "babies in the womb" that fail to implant???????
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I suppose if G-d has no problems with his conscience, neither should I.
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Ah, stop being so cynical dweeb. G-d is responsible for more dead babies than I will ever be. But, to you that's "his will." I suppose since G-d doesn't condemn me for what I did, I will wipe my a$$ with your comments.
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But, I fought for my daughter, and I won that war too. Besides, there are no "fellow Americans" in the womb according to the Constitution. And I swore to uphold and defend "the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
So stuff it Dweeb.

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