Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.
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"As I suspected would happen, you'd prove your lack of reading comprehension skills."
ROTFLMAO! You're projecting.
I was saying, that your reading comprehension is lacking, and it is.
I did, indeed, go to the link. I read the entire thing, and you're still wrong.
You want to pretend that, on this site that is not medical, the word "may" means other than that someone might call it that. This proves nothing but your basic dishonesty is wanting to twist something into something it's not.
Your own source still proved you wrong. So did the medical definition of abortion, which is the ending of the pregnancy
a)After the death of the fetus,
b)accompanied by the death of the fetus,or
c)resulting in the death of the fetus
by the EXPULSION of the fetus.
Which means when the fetus dies does not determine whether or not the pregnancy is ended. When it's expelled does.
What part of letter (a) "a)After the death of the fetus,"
confused you?

Only your letter (c) talks about expulsion being the ending of pregnancy.

Epic fail, Toots.
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elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>He doesn't know what informatics is. He doesn't know that nursing is a wide open profession and many specialties in nursing do not involve patient care. He is ignorant and needs to shut up.
Foo: How typically dishonest of No Relevance to leave out one of the more important lines in that article:
"The report recommends that nurses specializing in informatics work with interdisciplinary teams to modify clinical documentation and workflow." Not all nurses are involved in billing and coding dear.

Elise: He doesn't know what informatics is. He doesn't know that nursing is a wide open profession and many specialties in nursing do not involve patient care. He is ignorant and needs to shut up.

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Foo reinforced my point.

"The report recommends that nurses specializing in informatics work with interdisciplinary teams to modify clinical documentation and workflow."

The report recommends that you familiarize yourself w/ coding to improve your "documentation & workflow." You work on a clinical interdisciplinary team, dear. Your knowledge of coding improves chances for reimbursement.

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worships reality wrote:
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wrong. all accepted definitions of 'pregnant' specify "developing" . if fetus is dead it is no longer developing and woman then, by definition, is no longer pregnant.
damn you're stupid.
Sorry, but legally the only accepted definition of pregnancy is the medical definition and it does not specify that a woman is pregnant only when the fertilized egg is still "developing". As long as there is a fertilized egg that has implanted in the uterus she is pregnant and even Lynne will agree to that.

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Yes, I read the link.
YOU are reading it wrong. Sorry.
Your failure to address the fact that the medical definition of abortion clearly proves that a woman with a dead embryo/fetus in her uterus is still pregnant, and that it's the expulsion of it that aborts the pregnancy, is telling.
You listed (a),(b) and (c) as to what the end of pregnancy is, and only letter (c) mentioned when fetus is expelled.

You posted:
"Your own source still proved you wrong. So did the medical definition of abortion, which is the ending of the pregnancy
a)After the death of the fetus,
b)accompanied by the death of the fetus,or
c)resulting in the death of the fetus
by the EXPULSION of the fetus.

Which means when the fetus dies does not determine whether or not the pregnancy is ended. When it's expelled does. "

No, from what you posted, only letter (c) says that. Letters (a) and (b) say it's when fetus dies.

Obviously you're the one who doesn't understand what you're reading or posting.

Epic fail, again.
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Actually, a zygore, embryo and fetus ARE part of the woman's body. They are ATTACHED via blood vessles, umbilical chord (belongs to the mom), etc ... thus is PART OF the body.
If it wasn't part of her body while gestating, there would be no ZEF.
There are many things that can be PART OF THE BODY whether its temporarily or permanantly to death - that doesn't share the same DNA as the human host - such as tumors. In fact, there are certain cells in the human body that have NO DNA AT ALL.
DNA analysis of a tumor from your body would still show it was part of your body (albeit w/ an aberration).

Results from DNA analysis of mom and preborn baby would indicate two unique, distinct human beings.

Mom doesn't have two beating hearts.

Although Johnny Carbon disagrees, a woman pregnant w/ a boy does not have a penis.

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Okay, I'll try to dumb this down for you, LynneD.
"A missed miscarriage occurs when a fetus has died in the womb or in utero."
Clearly, they are saying that the fetus has already died, and it is still in the uterus.
"Most times when this occurs,"
When WHAT occurs? The death of the fetus.
"the body naturally begins the miscarriage process and the fetus is released from the body."
Here, they are clearly saying that the miscarriage has not yet, though MAY soon, begin. They are NOT saying it's already done with the death of the fetus, but that it may soon, naturally, BEGIN. No miscarriage yet means the woman is still what? Pregnant.
"In some instances miscarriage does not begin right away, and the pregnant woman has little to no indication that anything is wrong."
The fetus is already dead, but the miscarriage may not have begun yet. Guess what? That means, and they even say so by CALLING her the pregnant woman, is still pregnant.
"Should this state continue"
WHAT state? The woman's pregnancy with a dead fetus.
"there might be symptoms of a missed miscarriage that can be assessed."
MISSED miscarriage. Missed meaning it's not happened yet. That means WHAT? That the woman is STILL pregnant.
Did you understand THAT time, LynneD?
I'm Lily, and you can't even get that right. It's sad to see you try so desperately and still fail at logic, adult reading comprehension and intelligence.

Bitner: "That means, and they even say so by CALLING her the pregnant woman, is still pregnant."

Only hormonally, you moron. Logically, the pregnancy is OVER when the fetus dies. Only a mental case would try to argue that when a fetus dies, the pregnancy hasn't ended. And here you are...

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lil Lily wrote:
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What part of letter (a) "a)After the death of the fetus,"
confused you?
Only your letter (c) talks about expulsion being the ending of pregnancy.
Epic fail, Toots.
Read on.

You are the one with reading comprehension problems, though, so I don't hold out much hope for you.

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lil Lily wrote:
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You listed (a),(b) and (c) as to what the end of pregnancy is, and only letter (c) mentioned when fetus is expelled.
You posted:
"Your own source still proved you wrong. So did the medical definition of abortion, which is the ending of the pregnancy
a)After the death of the fetus,
b)accompanied by the death of the fetus,or
c)resulting in the death of the fetus
by the EXPULSION of the fetus.
Which means when the fetus dies does not determine whether or not the pregnancy is ended. When it's expelled does. "
No, from what you posted, only letter (c) says that. Letters (a) and (b) say it's when fetus dies.
Obviously you're the one who doesn't understand what you're reading or posting.
Epic fail, again.
LOL, no, it's still you who can't read.

Carry on.

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DNA analysis of a tumor from your body would still show it was part of your body (albeit w/ an aberration).
Results from DNA analysis of mom and preborn baby would indicate two unique, distinct human beings.
Mom doesn't have two beating hearts.
Although Johnny Carbon disagrees, a woman pregnant w/ a boy does not have a penis.
You lie. No DNA analysis will show a result that says "human being".
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AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Your analogy is poor considering you supposedly have the higher education in the medical field. No i have not ignored the fact a fetus is killed, I've acknowledged that fact a few times. You ignore the fact that a pregnancy is not terminated until a live or dead fetus is removed and it makes no difference what equipment is used to remove it. It's the same bow and arrow in any type of abortion, spontaneous or intentional.
AyakaNeo: "It's the same bow and arrow in any type of abortion, spontaneous or intentional."

As you stand before the two targets, you overlook the sleeping baby in front of one target. The archer not only seeks to hit the target w/ his bow & arrow, he intends to kill the baby in process.

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HuskerDu wrote:
<quoted text> Haven't you had any religious training in your sad life?
If religious training means following your example of "religious training", I'll pass.

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lil Lily wrote:
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"I'm Lily, and you can't even get that right. It's sad to see you try so desperately and still fail at logic, adult reading comprehension and intelligence."

That's part of your CURRENT screen name. I'm simply using one of your OLDER screen names.

Are you the same person who used to post here on Topix under the screen names of LynneD and Persevere?

"Only hormonally, you moron. Logically, the pregnancy is OVER when the fetus dies. Only a mental case would try to argue that when a fetus dies, the pregnancy hasn't ended. And here you are..."

Now you're just making shit up. Nowhere does it say only hormonally.

LOL, read on. Not that I hold out much hope you'll understand what you read.
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have any of my posts showed up (besides the one of condolences for cpter)?
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is that invisible cape working?
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LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Why is it your kind ALWAYS make up stupid shit like this, then wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
NR: Target archery uses a quiver, arrows, bow, and target.
One archer shoots at a target. Another archer shoots at a target that has a sleeping baby placed just in front of it.
In your mind, AyakaNeo, both archers are using same equipment, and using same technique. You ignore the fact that the second archer kills a little human in pursuit of the target.

Foo: Why is it your kind ALWAYS make up stupid shit like this, then wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
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Foo, you are a deathscort.

You are the evil individual who escorts & places sleeping baby in front of target.

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Katie wrote:
have any of my posts showed up (besides the one of condolences for cpter)?
You mean the ones the No Relevance is ignoring? Yeah, I've seen them :)
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One more time for NR and Triple L --
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"ICD-10-CM O03.9 is part of Diagnostic Related Group(s)(MS-DRG v28.0):
770 Abortion with d&c, aspiration curettage or hysterotomy
779 Abortion without d&c"
http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/O00-O9...
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...
Diagnostic Related Groups (DRGs) is a classification system Medicare uses to reimburse inpatient hospitals. The hospital is paid a single amount based on what group/category the Medicare patient is in. Patients are grouped based on a number of factors such as related diagnoses, expected use of hospital resources, age, sex, etc.

As you know, Medicare will only reimburse for induced abortion if the physician documents/codes it is for life of mother, or if pregnancy resulted from rape/incest. Besides, majority of those on Medicare are elderly.

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Bitner wrote:
NOW, we'll move on to the thing LynneD is trying SO hard to not address, the MEDICAL definition of abortion.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/aborti...
1:the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus:
a:spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation-compare miscarriage
b:induced expulsion of a human fetus
And another medical source-
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp...
Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.
Want another?
http://www.medilexicon.com/medicaldictionary....
abortion (AB)
Type: Term
Pronunciation: &#259;-b&#333;r&#8 242;sh&#365;n
Definitions:
1. Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation [18 weeks after fertilization] or fetal weight less than 500 g). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).
Clearly, it's the EXPULSION that ends the pregnancy, not the death of the embryo/fetus, medically speaking.
Care to comment, LynneD?
Listen, Boenehead, you couldn't be less effective in prving me wrong if you tried.

When a fetus dies, the pregnancy is OVER. What's left to happen is for the contents of the uterus to come out, whether naturally, or with help by having a D&C procedure done to remove whatever still remains in the uterus. That procedure is NOT called an "abortion". The pregnancy will not continue to develop, no matter whether the fetus comes out or not. It will not so it's done.

"Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically)."

We already know a fetus that dies in utero results in a spontaneous "abortion".

An "induced abortion" isn't what's done when a fetus died in utero. Or will your next argument be that it is?

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AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text> Reading comprehension has nothing to do with the fact that you have referred to me as a bonehead in previous posts related to the same subject.
<quoted text>Your argument back then was:#221297
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How about the fact that a D&C for a miscarriage is NOT "an abortion" like pro-choicers claimed it was, and that too was refuted by pro-lifers with facts, and all pro-choicers did in the face of facts was impotently try to deny the facts. lol
For which Foo replied:
"Nobody claimed it was Lynne. The FACT is a D&C FOR an abortion is the EXACT SAME PROCEDURE as a D&C for ANY other purpose".
If no one said it was an abortion what exactly is there to refute?
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You said nothing about charting, coding or or anything of that nature until Elise brought it up:
elise in burque wrote:#221323
<quoted text>Medically, they are often referred to as abortions because the procedure and purpose is the same, medically. Whatever you have read online doesn't address what individual physicians write in their notes. It's all the same thing whether you like it or not. You are anti-choice, therefore you don't accept that. Sorry.
You replied:
Prove D&C's used after miscarriages "Medically, they are often referred to as abortions", Elise. See, now that's a claim, not a question. Prove your claim.
Now you're saying you knew it all along but you continued to argue with me about the same thing back in October.
<quoted text>Yes it is because you cannot express yourself intelligently nor can you remember what you argue about.
"Reading comprehension has nothing to do with the fact that you have referred to me as a bonehead in previous posts related to the same subject."

Yet, when you mentioned me calling you "bonehead", it was in reply to a post in which I called you "Clueless".

You quote my post and Foo's reply to it,
~lil Lily wrote:
How about the fact that a D&C for a miscarriage is NOT "an abortion" like pro-choicers claimed it was, and that too was refuted by pro-lifers with facts, and all pro-choicers did in the face of facts was impotently try to deny the facts. lol
For which Foo replied:
"Nobody claimed it was Lynne. The FACT is a D&C FOR an abortion is the EXACT SAME PROCEDURE as a D&C for ANY other purpose".~

You then ask, "If no one said it was an abortion what exactly is there to refute?"

I've already proven with the posts, post numbers and links to the posts of the pro-choicers who did in fact call a D&C after a miscarriage "an abortion". You're a reall fool to go only by what a proven pathological liar like Foo posts, which is what you did and I already proved she lied in saying that. You don't pay attention to anyone but pro-choicers, and you won't have a factual or intelligent basis for argument by doing that.

You keep trying to piece together the discussions that took place, and you're doing a very crappy job at it.

You have no clue what you're talking about, what's been said when, why or in what context, and what you bring up to try to prove you do, only proves you don't.

Foo makes a claim she can't prove, and you believe it ansd try to use it, while we pro-lifers prove it's a lie.

Elise makes claims she doesn't prove, and we prove her claims are bullshit too. You use their unsubstantiated claims to try to make and prove a point.

You're so inept at this it's ridiculous.

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lil Lily wrote:
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"Listen, Boenehead, you couldn't be less effective in prving me wrong if you tried."

I didn't have to. Both the medical definition of abortion, and your own source did it for me.

"When a fetus dies, the pregnancy is OVER."

Not according to the medical sources.

"What's left to happen is for the contents of the uterus to come out, whether naturally, or with help by having a D&C procedure done to remove whatever still remains in the uterus."

Either way, the woman is still pregnant, and if the spontaneous abortion is not complete (that's what missed miscarriage MEANS), then the pregnancy must be ended by an abortion.

"That procedure is NOT called an "abortion"."

If it's used to removed the fetus, yes it is.

"The pregnancy will not continue to develop, no matter whether the fetus comes out or not. It will not so it's done."

Regardless. Both the medical definition of abortion, and your own source concurs; the woman is still pregnant, even if the fetus has died.

"Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically)."
We already know a fetus that dies in utero results in a spontaneous "abortion".
An "induced abortion" isn't what's done when a fetus died in utero. Or will your next argument be that it is?"

My argument is what it's been this whole time. Your own source, and the medical definition of abortion has proven my argument right.

By the way "Lily" @@, could you explain to all of us what a missed period is? Or a missed appointment? Pretty please?:)

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