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Kathryn
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Mel wrote: <quoted text>
Hi Kathryn,
I also have the same problem with my 02 Rav4 65,000kms. The Rav4 is with the Toyota dealdership right now waiting for the computer part to come from Toronto. My questions: did it solve the problem? did you have any transmission issues afterwards? Thanks, Mel Hi Mel, Basically, the ECM burns up the clutch inside the transmission in under 50 miles of driving, so in order for the transmission to work again, you immediately must have it replaced or rebuilt. The first attempt at a rebuild (done by AAMCO) after the ECM was replaced did fix the problem. Good luck!
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Kathryn
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Amber wrote: <quoted text>
Hi Kathryn... I was wondering if I have over the alloted miles for the warranty would they still repair it regardless or how exactly does that work, do you know? And even though the service bulletin is dated 03.2006 it is still valid? Thank you :) Hi Amber, TSBs are always valid, as the defect occurred during production. They will still replace the ECM for you for a cost once you have exceeded the mileage - you wiHowever, you do need to be within the allotted miles to have it replaced for free. The TSB says 80k, but someone told me they had heard it was extended to 100k (that is just hearsay - I have not seen that official documentation). Anyway, I have heard quotes of around $1,000+ to replace the ECM outside of the warranty. Once the failed ECM is replaced, you will also have to pay to have the transmission rebuilt or replaced before your car will work correctly. It takes under 50 miles for the defective ECM (once it fails) to destroy your transmission. Good luck - Toyota's mistake gets very expensive! I won't ever buy another Toyota again after this experience.
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camry junk
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Just google 07 camry transmission problems
If the rav 4 is like the camry, only matter of time b4 the consumer learns the truth about toyota. total junk!!!!
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jinjunkpool
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how can one disable seat belt reminder bells?
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DSM
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We have a 2001 Rav 4 Auto AWD exhibiting the same transmission problem as indicated in TSB TC002-06. I am taking it
to the dealer tomorrow. Our problem comes and goes, so I don't think our transmission is bad yet due to the ECM problem. We are not driving it until the dealer takes a look at it. I spoke to Toyota Customer affairs and expressed my concerns. Basically they said that not enough people have complained yet to make this a re-call. So if anybody hasn't posted regarding this problem please do.
I will let you know if we detected this earlier enough and saved our transmission. If so, and changing the ECU was the fix, it would be a travesty for Toyota to let 2001-2003 Rav4 users wait until the ECM goes bad and breaks the transmission, and not claim any responsibility. If Toyota issued a simple recall of the ECM that would save the Toyota faithful 3000-4000 dollars.
Unfortunately this ECM cannot be flash upgraded, because that is all it needs. Toyota should definitley assist their customers, unless they are willing to risk their loyalty and reputation. We'll see.
Will keep u posted.
DM
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Toyota Group American
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A few weeks into my job the this Toyota group company - I realized that this was a disastrous career move. Some Japanese scum tried his best to brainwash me - practically every other day I used to hear "This is better in Japan" "That is better in Japan" and blah blah (or course my first visit to Japan and the 25 square foot "top-of the line" Japanese hotel room I stayed was enough to see which country is better!!- omre on that later). Engineers in Japan and Japanese companies are nothing more than documentation monkeys. Using google.com and a good digital camera, they lurk around at technical meetings, auto shows and other places whare they can stumble upon innovative American or German engineering. Armed with small scrapers, go-no go gauge sets and magnets, they try to steal material, coating and tolerance information from mostly Audi, BMW and some North American cars - an act that made me sick to my stomach. I remember my advisor flunked a few grad students for plagiarism. While blatant copying that the Japanese thrive on is banned across universites and educational institutions in the US, too bad those rules havent made their way into the automotive inndustry and the shwerd Japanese take full advantage of that. Ever thought what would happen to an American if he tried doing the same thing in Japan or China - it wont be pretty! You cannot get away with such acts anywhere except the USA and Japanese expats in Michigan take full advantage of that. All information is then filtered across to the mother ship -aka the hearquarters of that Japanese company in Japan where some apalling patent violations occur. Of course - the Japanese are good at improving stuff, no doubt about that - but they should do it in their own friggin country. Oh well - that wont work coz no innovators in Japan. My bad. Fair trade practices is all the US automotive industry needs, we have all the engineering expertise and innovation to kick the Japanese out.
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SSP
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This is simply unbelievable! My husband purchased his RAV 4 and we truly thought that they were reliable. We recently went and was first told by the Toyota dealer that we may only need the transmission flushed. Which they did...same problem still occurred. Then we had the transmission replaced. Now, SAME problem after having the transmission was replaced! So far...$3100. The problem is that now we are aware of this problem and it is probably going to screw up another transmission! We are so angry we could scream! What is a consumer to do with this toyota dealerships that don't seem to care about their customers!
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DSM
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Here is the update.
The post which provided the pdf showing
the TC002-06 described the transmission shift to first and second problem real well. Since we didn't drive the car as soon as that happened and took it right to the dealer with the TSB TC002-06, they said that was it and replaced the ECU. The problem went away..Knock on wood. However, since we were over the 80K miles on our car, they would not discount the price of the ECU. Toyota customer service would not help either. All dealers are aware of this issue, some u have to point them to the bulletin.(if not diagnosed correctly, or earlier enough, the problematic ECU would damage the transmission)..
Thanks to everyone who posted on their transmission issue. The more information we put out there, the more Toyota will have to assume responsiblity. A recall of the ECU for those experiencing the problem would save their transmission.
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built Ford Tough
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SSP wrote: This is simply unbelievable! My husband purchased his RAV 4 and we truly thought that they were reliable. We recently went and was first told by the Toyota dealer that we may only need the transmission flushed. Which they did...same problem still occurred. Then we had the transmission replaced. Now, SAME problem after having the transmission was replaced! So far...$3100. The problem is that now we are aware of this problem and it is probably going to screw up another transmission! We are so angry we could scream! What is a consumer to do with this toyota dealerships that don't seem to care about their customers! Serves you right since you sold out to the Japanese. Maybe if you bought American you would not be punished with these problems from Toyota. This what I love, from the very first line, "WE THOGHT THESE WERE RELIABLE". You just found out that Toyota is junk.
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Greg
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Of course it would be better it's 5 years newer
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Steve- Guelph- Canada
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I have been reading all of the posting and can't believe that this problem has not been resolved. I am currently dealing with the very same issues. My 2003 Rav4 is currently getting the transmission rebuilt and the ECM replace at a cost that would make anyone scream. I have always bought Toyota but now with the way that I have been ignored by the local dealership and Toyota Canada I will never buy from them again. I was never told about any bulletin that there was a problem with the ECM and how it will damage your tranny. I have always had my Rav4 serviced at the dealer and trusted that they would inform you of things like this before I had an issue. The kicker is that I just made my final payment!!! I would love to see legal action taken against Toyota.
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Therook
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Judge Mental wrote: I read the article. The writers' bias for Toyota shine through the whole way. There are several distinctly negative comments regarding the Outlander, while there are none for the RAV-4 (even though the basic model is sub-par to its competition and has a higher starting price). The way the writers finish the article, "We prefer the RAV4's styling inside and out, not to mention Toyota's sterling reputation for quality, reliability and durability.", just stops short of saying they are in effect biased.
Mitsubishi's quality, reliability and durability are just as good, if not better, than Toyota's. But, unfortunately for Mitsubishi, Toyota's been the reference of reliability in America for over 12 years now, which is difficult to beat. And as for the writer saying that the RAV-4 is a better bargain than the Outlander... either they're just blind or stupid, but it doesn't add up. The RAV-4 is significantly more expensive while providing no additional benefit. Gee no bias on your part. Well my bias is based on research with Consumer Reports, Better Business Bureau, and numerous forums. Get use to Mitsubishi not rating as well. If you did your homework you would no alot of Mitsubishi owners weren't happy.
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Therook
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built Ford Tough wrote: <quoted text>Serves you right since you sold out to the Japanese. Maybe if you bought American you would not be punished with these problems from Toyota. This what I love, from the very first line, "WE THOGHT THESE WERE RELIABLE". You just found out that Toyota is junk. I bought Pontiacs for twenty years until when the disc brake rotors rusted out on my new 40th Anniversary Edition Grand Prix with less than 18,000 miles and the dealer said they weren't covered. Then the interior mirror fell off the windshield and it wasn't covered. After driving it a couple more years I and the OnStar was no longer usable I sold it. After buying a new Audi A3 and getting burned on it with nine weeks in the shop for a bumper repair I bought a RAV 4 and so far I love it. Bet I don't hear it ain't covered like I did with those other two because I checked before I bought. So you keep buying that American Ford made gas hog that won't be covered past 36,000 miles. Oh did I mention I owned Fords, specifically Mustangs. Loved the mustle but hated the rear wheel drive in rain and snow. Here's a clue Ford, FRONT WHEEL OR ALL WHEEL DRIVE ON CARS AND TRUCKS.
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bobzw
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Same ECM problem for me. Here is what I posted at another forum.(just finished making a complaint through both the Better Business Bureau also, and "Toyota Customer 'DONT REALLY' Care") Recommend others do these things also.
Purchased a new 2002 Toyota RAV4 at Stevinson Toyota, Denver, CO in 2002. Recently, we found that the transmission was shifting oddly. Found out that Toyota put out a Technical Service Bulletin in early 2006 after defects started surfacing stating to replace the car's computer (ECU). The company did not inform owners about this defect which is now surfacing and did not recall due to cost of replacing the ECU and transmission it destroys. The defective ECU burns up the clutch and other parts in the transmission.
Toyota will not do the honorable thing and recall the vehicles or even pay for any portion of the repair if it is even a tiny bit outside the warranty period (as ours is). Bottom line - they will not stand behind their product or mistake if it it costs them too much (unless there are overwhelming public complaints/outcry as with their head gasket recall).
Currently, the vehicle is at Liberty Toyota in Colorado Springs. They will not even discount the repair which we need to have done. Also tried getting in touch with Stevenson Toyota Service Manager, Jeff Totsky,but still have not gotten a call back.
Technical Service Bulletin is: TC002-06, Revised March 3, 2006. Do a search for the words TC002-06 RAV4 , and you will find out about it and many complaints blogged.
Excerpt:
"Some 2001 – 2003 model year RAV4 vehicles equipped with an automatic transaxle
may exhibit a harsh shift condition and/or M.I.L.“ON” with DTC P0750, P0753, P0755,
P0758, and/or P1760 stored. Improvements have been made to the Engine Control
Module (ECM)(SAE term: Powertrain Control Module/PCM) manufacturing process to
reduce the possibility of this condition occurring. Use the following procedure to repair the vehicle."
It goes on to say replace the ECM/ECU and possibly the transmission. Total cost is currently around $4800.00.
I'm a veteran (retired Air Force), and I don't like being treated like I'm trying to steal something from them (this is how they make you feel) when it is actually the honorable thing that they should take care of the problem. Ironic that a company based in a country that emphasizes honor to such a high degree holds so little regard for doing the honorable thing.
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DSM
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Just giving u all an update regarding our 2001 Toyota RAV 4 transmission hard shifting from 1 - 2 problem. After finding the TC002-06 bulletin and pointing it out to the dealer. The replacement of the ECM/ECU fixed the problem. The transmission problem has not returned since.
Bobzw, did u catch the problem early enough, or did your transmission get damaged and need replacement, along with the ECM/ECU. Did the dealer or Toyota Customer care give you any discounts.
Any others with 2001-2003 Toyota RAV 4 Tramsission problems.
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Debliss
AOL
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Same problem with Rav4 '01. what is status of your situation to date? Thinking of persuing legal action as well.
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Rhonda
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I am as well having the same problem with transmission. I bought the Rav-4 fromthe Van-Trow in Monroe, LA. and they never mentioned the bulletin. When I bought it was already over the alotted miles so I am gonna go talk to them tomorrow and then legal action. They can't continue to charge top dollar for their cars and not stand by their mistakes!!!
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laurie
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I just took my 2003 Rav4 Sport in to the dealership because the check engine light came on and it had been shifting roughly. I called them first to explain and he said very firmly to get it into the dealership now (even though they were booked for the day)! He said I should not have been driving it. How are you supposed to know that! He called me back within 3 hours to say the ECU module was bad. It is being replaced free because of the 80,000 mile/8 year power train warranty. I am praying that the transmission is ok. It wasn't acting up all the time, it had just started the day prior. He said once they got the new module in they would recheck the transmission. SO, hopefully all will be ok. I really cannot afford to get a new transmission but I do love my Rav4!!
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laurie
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I am in Columbus Ohio NOT Brazil, IN???
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jess
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It's too bad....I'm having the same issue. My '01 Rav is at the dealer now getting a new ECU....at Toyota's expense...and I have almost 82k. I guess since I purchased and have been servicing my rav there, I'm considered a a "loyal" customer so that's why they are covering it outside the warranty.
They say there is a 50/50 chance my transmission might need to be replaced next, at my expense. Once I noticed the shifting problem, I stopped driving it, so I hope it's ok too. Laurie how did yours end up?
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