Businessman figures his mileage, gets...

Businessman figures his mileage, gets 'a free car' SAVE PUMP AT...

There are 80 comments on the The Morning Call story from Jun 5, 2008, titled Businessman figures his mileage, gets 'a free car' SAVE PUMP AT.... In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Find the lowest gas prices at lehighvalley traffic.com With an average of 1,500 miles driven per month and gasoline prices climbing, Allentown resident Jim Lettich knew he needed something more fuel-efficient ...

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laughs

Philadelphia, PA

#61 Jun 5, 2008
At the end of the day, the market speaks. Even though most Americans would prefer to buy American cars, American automakers continue to lose market share and that trend now seems to be accelerating with higher fuel costs. Whether it is reliability, styling, fuel economy, or price (most likely a combination) they are doing something wrong.
Skippy

Emmaus, PA

#62 Jun 5, 2008
laughs wrote:
The CR numbers here are based on reader surveys, not CR testing. If there is bias, it must be among the several hundred thousand car owners that respond to the survey.
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Did you ever read their annual car issue? It is full of bias. Statistics can be manipulated in an infinite number of ways. I remember reading the 2007 issue emphasizing how so many foreign nameplates made cars here, but not one mention was made about which cars had the highest content of American parts, or what foreign nameplates had models made overseas. How about how they got their butts handed to them with the Tundra. Yeah, lets recommend a truck that is loaded with problems sight unseen.
Skippy

Emmaus, PA

#63 Jun 5, 2008
laughs wrote:
At the end of the day, the market speaks. Even though most Americans would prefer to buy American cars, American automakers continue to lose market share and that trend now seems to be accelerating with higher fuel costs. Whether it is reliability, styling, fuel economy, or price (most likely a combination) they are doing something wrong.
Proof that you are brainwashed:
Reliability- The domestics have caught up, or are you stuck in the past?
Styling- Jap car are as bland as you can get Did you ever see the nose of a corolla? Damm thing looks like a bucktooth yokel!
Fuel eceonomy-Why did the honda insight fail? Lack of demand? The "Pious" my be at the top now, but once the Volt comes out, the "Pious" will become a gas guzzling dinosaur
Price- Domestics cost less, hands down.

“aka MOB”

Since: Mar 07

Bethlehem

#64 Jun 5, 2008
Reader wrote:
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If you ran a business, you would realize that you can take a tax write off of .485 per mile for every mile it is used for business. This, combined with depreciation, makes this a good financial deal. What is being saved in fuel, plus the depreciation over four years
should make up more than the costs of running the older vehicle.
Also, this was a used vehicle. I don't know of any brand new 2005 cars around.
I agree with you, I was disagreeing with the person who said this guy was stupid.

Another reason a business person wouldn't pay cash for a car is because that cash is better spent investing in something that can give him a return (advertising, new tools, a worker, etc). If he could invest that money into something that would earn him even a 10 or 20% return why spend the cash up front to save what 3-6% on interest? Doesn't add up.
laughs

Philadelphia, PA

#65 Jun 5, 2008
Hummer. Nothing else need be said.

Skippy, you apparently don't know how to read. I did not make a specific argument about any of those categories, I only said that sales and market share are the final arbiter of what consumers want. The domestics are continuing to lose, and lose faster, despite having home field advantage. I sincerely hope they get their act together, but I'm not encouraged by their failure to anticipate the market.
Skippy wrote:
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Proof that you are brainwashed:
Reliability- The domestics have caught up, or are you stuck in the past?
Styling- Jap car are as bland as you can get Did you ever see the nose of a corolla? Damm thing looks like a bucktooth yokel!
Fuel eceonomy-Why did the honda insight fail? Lack of demand? The "Pious" my be at the top now, but once the Volt comes out, the "Pious" will become a gas guzzling dinosaur
Price- Domestics cost less, hands down.
True American

Bethlehem, PA

#66 Jun 5, 2008
This guy seems pretty smart for going with the smaller car, but I wonder if he concidered the LOAD RATING on the thing.
He looks like a big guy and he's toting around five heavy tool boxes and misc. washer parts.
I hope the rear springs/shocks hold up for him.
Jill

San Diego, CA

#67 Jun 5, 2008
Allentown_Frank wrote:
People spend a lot of time worrying about how other people spend their money. Let it go.
Exactly!!! Why do people feel they have to tell others what to do with their money?
My My

Slatington, PA

#68 Jun 6, 2008
And don't forget Chrysler, trying to stuff a Hemi in anything it can get it's hands on (no to mention that most of their products are butt ugly).
laughs wrote:
Hummer. Nothing else need be said.
Skippy, you apparently don't know how to read. I did not make a specific argument about any of those categories, I only said that sales and market share are the final arbiter of what consumers want. The domestics are continuing to lose, and lose faster, despite having home field advantage. I sincerely hope they get their act together, but I'm not encouraged by their failure to anticipate the market.
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Reality

Bloomsburg, PA

#69 Jun 8, 2008
Why don't we throw which vehicle get lemon law claims, in to the mix? Number one is Chrysler, number two is Mercedes. Want to guess which one of the foreign manufactors is number three? Then tell me again how reliable they are. I think Jim should have taken the time and effort to tune his Astro van. I own a high top conversion one, it weights 5500 lbs loaded and it get 19 MPG on a trip and about 15MPG in town. It ia about the same age as his and has over 230,000 miles on it. If he would have maintain his Astro ven it should have only been costing him less then $400 a month for gas, and there would have been no way for him to justify the little litter box he bought. Of course then TMC would have had to find something alse to fill the space
Reality

Bloomsburg, PA

#70 Jun 8, 2008
Jill wrote:
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Exactly!!! Why do people feel they have to tell others what to do with their money?
Because its easier spending other people's money, as any of your representatives
Reality

Bloomsburg, PA

#71 Jun 8, 2008
Ask not as
WHAT CRAP

Easton, PA

#72 Jun 8, 2008
He IS saving money but he is not getting a free car. I didn't take into consideration that his excessive weight will affect gas mileage.
WHAT CRAP

Easton, PA

#73 Jun 8, 2008
Reality wrote:
Why don't we throw which vehicle get lemon law claims, in to the mix? Number one is Chrysler, number two is Mercedes. Want to guess which one of the foreign manufactors is number three? Then tell me again how reliable they are. I think Jim should have taken the time and effort to tune his Astro van. I own a high top conversion one, it weights 5500 lbs loaded and it get 19 MPG on a trip and about 15MPG in town. It ia about the same age as his and has over 230,000 miles on it. If he would have maintain his Astro ven it should have only been costing him less then $400 a month for gas, and there would have been no way for him to justify the little litter box he bought. Of course then TMC would have had to find something alse to fill the space
my guess is your full of carp and Jim is being more REALISTIC with his MPG returns.
Reality

Bloomsburg, PA

#74 Jun 8, 2008
WHAT CRAP wrote:
<quoted text>my guess is your full of carp and Jim is being more REALISTIC with his MPG returns.
No he's just trying to mentally justitify, driving around in a piece of junk, that is going break, from the excessive weight. By the way when you're fueling up, ask people what kind of mileage they get. You'll find out my number are more realistic them his. With all the money he saves on fuel, his family will be able to put on a nice spread at the meal, after they bury him, when he gats hit in it.
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Philadelphia, PA

#75 Jun 8, 2008
You really ought to read insurance company statistics about large and small cars before you make assumptions. You'd be surprised....
Reality wrote:
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No he's just trying to mentally justitify, driving around in a piece of junk, that is going break, from the excessive weight. By the way when you're fueling up, ask people what kind of mileage they get. You'll find out my number are more realistic them his. With all the money he saves on fuel, his family will be able to put on a nice spread at the meal, after they bury him, when he gats hit in it.
Reality

Bloomsburg, PA

#76 Jun 8, 2008
laughs wrote:
You really ought to read insurance company statistics about large and small cars before you make assumptions. You'd be surprised....
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You should read the safety rating of vans such as the Astro / Safari compared to small cars, the van wins, hands down. By the way there is no assumption on my part, since own both, you are the one that made the wrong assumption in this case
laughs

Philadelphia, PA

#77 Jun 8, 2008
So called safety ratings are interesting tests under controlled laboratory conditions. Car manufacturers can design their vehicles to show better on these lab tests.

Insurance industry personal injury claims data however are real life and indicative of the actual frequency of injury in different vehicle types under real driving conditions.
Reality wrote:
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You should read the safety rating of vans such as the Astro / Safari compared to small cars, the van wins, hands down. By the way there is no assumption on my part, since own both, you are the one that made the wrong assumption in this case
Reality

Bloomsburg, PA

#78 Jun 8, 2008
I am talking about the insurance ratings, not the lab tests.
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Philadelphia, PA

#79 Jun 9, 2008
Did you read them? There is not much difference in personal injury claims history per mile driven between small cars and large cars. I will dig up the link and post it if you like. My point is that many people have the perception that large cars are much safer than small cars but in reality, the difference is not very large. Choice of car is personal based on individual prioroties, I don't care if they pick a 1 mpg Sherman tank if safety is all they care about and gas prices don't matter to them. I'm just saying they are better off if they have real information to make their choice, not rumor or "conventional wisdom".
Reality wrote:
I am talking about the insurance ratings, not the lab tests.
Lehigh Traveler

Blue Bell, PA

#80 Jun 10, 2008
If he really wanted to save money he could have just put all his tools in a backpack and ride a bike to his service calls.

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