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bob
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good for them take a stand the uaw pushed delphi workers under the bus
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wang lo
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Should be titled "Layoff blamed by whiny cry babies. More people lose jobs because others don't want to work."
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JJC
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Well gee, why is everyone so upset about other plants closing or laying off? As long as WE get what WE deserve, who cares!
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Paul
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I would take half of what they are getting paid and be very happy about it, I think its time to find new people to replace them for half the amount of pay they are getting now, the line will be huge. Bunch of whiny cry babies is all the are. LET THEM GO...
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joe the guy next door
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doesn't this normally happen at Christmas? they are very early this year with their strike....oh well, Poland and Mexico will ramp up to fill the void so the impact of strikes such as these will be insignificant......why is this you ask? because the jobs will be gone here, so the only strikes we will see in the future will be at baseball games.....
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FEDUP 2
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If you read between the lines in Sunday's paper, Richard Dauche is going to close all these plants anyway.He is the epitamy of GREED and our Government allows this to happen to the American worker. Today the UAW and all those good paying jobs,tomorrow it will be rest of us.we are headed toward 3rd world status.You people that make the smart ass comments about the workers should direct your sarcasm towards the real problem makers . The Greedy owners and CEO'S.I wonder if they would pull these types of deals if they couldn't sell that Chinese or Mexican crap in our country. These people are selling out this country right from under us. Last week I found out my electric supplier is being bought out by a Spanish company. How could this happen to America? We are being sold out by the Government and Corporate Greed.
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Bookey the Elephant
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This city is a dump!
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Wituls Warriors
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Well, we can thank Hitlary for this. She promised to bring over 200,000 new jobs here and hasn't kept a promise. And now when industry needs help, she is out in America helping herself. I hope all you Hitlary lovers are paying attention. She could help but Cybil is too busy trying to help her 17 personalities.
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125KRD
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Way to go guys!!! Another job well done, by your UNION that is! What is the UAW going to do now?
You know what? I would cross your precious picket line and ensure my family was taken care of, will the UNION take care of you when the factory closes?
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Whispy ny
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125KRD wrote: Way to go guys!!! Another job well done, by your UNION that is! What is the UAW going to do now?
You know what? I would cross your precious picket line and ensure my family was taken care of, will the UNION take care of you when the factory closes? Exactly right! They will sell you out and gladly have their hand out once a month to collect your payroll deducted union dues!
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Sean
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i don't know why american axel is even bothering to strike. the company already shut down one plant in buffalo and the second one is on the way. what i hate is that Ron Gettlfinger said "his people can't live on $14 an hour". oh but Delphi workers could? gee thanks Ron...you Douche.
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Non-Union Jake
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FEDUP 2 wrote: If you read between the lines in Sunday's paper, Richard Dauche is going to close all these plants anyway.He is the epitamy of GREED and our Government allows this to happen to the American worker. Today the UAW and all those good paying jobs,tomorrow it will be rest of us.we are headed toward 3rd world status.You people that make the smart ass comments about the workers should direct your sarcasm towards the real problem makers . The Greedy owners and CEO'S.I wonder if they would pull these types of deals if they couldn't sell that Chinese or Mexican crap in our country. These people are selling out this country right from under us. Last week I found out my electric supplier is being bought out by a Spanish company. How could this happen to America? We are being sold out by the Government and Corporate Greed. Not true, only easily replaceable jobs are going overseas. You know, those jobs that require little or no skills. Guess what, there's a shortage of nurses in WNY, get credentials and you have a well paying job with excellent benefits. Don't see that job going overseas due to corporate greed. Unless health insurance is going to cover plane fare for minor procedures. This is just one example. When you have 3rd world skills, you should expect 3rd world wages or you lose your job to someone overseas. The problem with you all is that you have no skills to offer the working class here in the U.S. but expect the best in wages and benefits. Gravy train is over. If I were you, I would take the pay cut and in advance of the plant closing get an education or learn a new skill that's needed in today's workforce. That is of course if you're willing to do the work that's required, which my guess is that you won't. You took the easy way out by joining a union, now you must live or die by it. It's no one else's fault, it's your own. So quit whining!
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Get A Clue wrote: <quoted text>
Not true, only easily replaceable jobs are going overseas. You know, those jobs that require little or no skills. Guess what, there's a shortage of nurses in WNY, get credentials and you have a well paying job with excellent benefits. Don't see that job going overseas due to corporate greed. Unless health insurance is going to cover plane fare for minor procedures. This is just one example.
When you have 3rd world skills, you should expect 3rd world wages or you lose your job to someone overseas. The problem with you all is that you have no skills to offer the working class here in the U.S. but expect the best in wages and benefits. Gravy train is over. If I were you, I would take the pay cut and in advance of the plant closing get an education or learn a new skill that's needed in today's workforce. That is of course if you're willing to do the work that's required, which my guess is that you won't. You took the easy way out by joining a union, now you must live or die by it. It's no one else's fault, it's your own. So quit whining! Get a clue..........its not true many jobs of all skill levels have been lost to other countries, a while ago many engineering jobs, accounting jobs and etc. went overseas. Yeah, you must be a little young fart just starting out. Getting an education for a person with 25 or more years in their late forties to early fifties or even sixties with a company isn't an option for some of these workers, especially the ones close to retirement ages. What is an education going to do for them at this point in their lives? Who is going to hire someone fifty five years or older? 25 or so years ago an educaion wasn't a necessary to make a decent middle class living in this country, like it is today, but for the younger generation that is the only option for future jobs. Don't screw with the older workers when they are so close to being done with their working lives. You don't change the rules towards the end of someone's working life!
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Non-Union Jake
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cowherder wrote: <quoted text>
Get a clue..........its not true many jobs of all skill levels have been lost to other countries, a while ago many engineering jobs, accounting jobs and etc. went overseas.
Yeah, you must be a little young fart just starting out. Getting an education for a person with 25 or more years in their late forties to early fifties or even sixties with a company isn't an option for some of these workers, especially the ones close to retirement ages. What is an education going to do for them at this point in their lives? Who is going to hire someone fifty five years or older?
25 or so years ago an educaion wasn't a necessary
to make a decent middle class living in this country, like it is today, but for the younger generation that is the only option for future jobs. Don't screw with the older workers when they are so close to being done with their working lives. You don't change the rules towards the end of someone's working life! Sorry, poor planning on your part doesn't constitute sympathy on my part. You made your bed, now sleep in it. You should have thought of all this when you were taking from the company all these years. Rules are not cut in stone, can be changed at any time. You have two choices: stay and deal with it or get another job. If you don't have much of a hand to play with, once again you should have thought about that when you were doing nothing but taking from the company. What comes around goes around, deal with it!
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Get a Clue wrote: <quoted text>
Sorry, poor planning on your part doesn't constitute sympathy on my part. You made your bed, now sleep in it. You should have thought of all this when you were taking from the company all these years. Rules are not cut in stone, can be changed at any time. You have two choices: stay and deal with it or get another job. If you don't have much of a hand to play with, once again you should have thought about that when you were doing nothing but taking from the company. What comes around goes around, deal with it! Get a clue..........what the hell does poor planning have to do with it!? 25- 35 years ago a college education wasn't necessary to get a good paying job in this country. And I hate to inform you many of the UAW members do have college degrees and went to work for the auto industry for the benefits. Do you realize it is the minority in this country that have a college education today, its only about 28%!? Where were you 25-30 years ago, just a mere thought of your parents or were you in diapers? Like I said wait until you are close to retirement age and have the rules change on you and see how you deal with it!! What goes around does come around again!!
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Non-Union Jake
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cowherder wrote: <quoted text>
Get a clue..........what the hell does poor planning have to do with it!? 25- 35 years ago a college education wasn't necessary to get a good paying job in this country. And I hate to inform you many of the UAW members do have college degrees and went to work for the auto industry for the benefits.
Do you realize it is the minority in this country that have a college education today, its only about 28%!? Where were you 25-30 years ago, just a mere thought of your parents or were you in diapers?
Like I said wait until you are close to retirement age and have the rules change on you and see how you deal with it!! What goes around does come around again!! Like you said, I should wait until I'm close to retirement age and have the rules change. Seems like you can tell the future. If that's true, how come your so poorly prepared for what's happening today? Why didn't you look into your crystal ball and get that degree or some other kind of skill that would give you job security today? Since your track record of predicting the future seems to be way off, I guess I don't have any worries. And guess what, I don't! I'm so glad I won't be spending my weekend walking in circles holding a sign while it's snowing and windy and cold. See, proper planning does work! Try it!
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Non-Union Jake
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cowherder wrote: <quoted text>
Get a clue..........what the hell does poor planning have to do with it!? 25- 35 years ago a college education wasn't necessary to get a good paying job in this country. And I hate to inform you many of the UAW members do have college degrees and went to work for the auto industry for the benefits.
Do you realize it is the minority in this country that have a college education today, its only about 28%!? Where were you 25-30 years ago, just a mere thought of your parents or were you in diapers?
Like I said wait until you are close to retirement age and have the rules change on you and see how you deal with it!! What goes around does come around again!! Cowherder, I disagree with you. To be naive and oblivious to change is poor planning.
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Get a Clue wrote: <quoted text>
Like you said, I should wait until I'm close to retirement age and have the rules change. Seems like you can tell the future. If that's true, how come your so poorly prepared for what's happening today? Why didn't you look into your crystal ball and get that degree or some other kind of skill that would give you job security today?
Since your track record of predicting the future seems to be way off, I guess I don't have any worries. And guess what, I don't! I'm so glad I won't be spending my weekend walking in circles holding a sign while it's snowing and windy and cold. See, proper planning does work! Try it! All these people did have job security up until a few years ago when the U.S. went global. Nobody has job security nowadays. I myself, use to work in education and they would tell the kids, you won't be working in one field your whole life,anyone in school in the early '90s would change careers at least five or six times in their working lifetime, that was not the case when people graduated high school in the 50's,60's and 70's. They were secure in the jobs they had held for years. Now these workers are older, what are they suppose to do!!? The rules changed on these older workers. You obviously didn't understand what I was saying. You must be a younger person who knows nothing about being an older worker.
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J-Nice
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Paul wrote: I would take half of what they are getting paid and be very happy about it, I think its time to find new people to replace them for half the amount of pay they are getting now, the line will be huge. Bunch of whiny cry babies is all the are. LET THEM GO... Thats what you think. When we had two tier people in or plant making $14/hr. Over half of them quit before they even got 30 days in. Half of the half that stayed felt that since they were getting half the pay of what we got, they were only going to do half the work. They werent' willing to work as hard as we did, because they didn't have any insurance because Mr. Dauch wanted them to work a year before they could qualify for medical benefits. The workers at AAM are not on strike for just us, it is bigger than us. We are on strike fighting so that everyone that works at AAM makes the same wage and receive the same benefits. We have always fought to bring the lower paid workers to where we were. I wish you all really understood what this fight is all about. It is so much bigger than wages and AAM. I leave this site sometimes so upset after reading the comments of the people who don't even have a clue.
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Jeanine
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we have a 3 tier system in Kettering ohio and can tell you will most of the first and second tier were making 30 and hour the rest of us were making alittle over 9 dollars and hour. And the employees who wanted this were saving there jobs. The days of 30 dollars and hour are long gone. We are industry were are competitors have no over head. I now after almost ten years make 16 and hour. We support american axel in there efforts. I am not sure they have much to stand on to be honest because they plan on shipping them over seas. Iam also a long time resident of buffalo, where many jobs have been lost to other countries trico products, fisher price, bethlaham steel. And those are just a few. I lost my job at trico. A company is about profit and the bottom line is all they care about. I would be angry as well if the head of the corp got millions of dollars in bonuses and left there people hanging out to dry. Maybe he should take a pay cut as well.
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