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old_timer
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Well guys, I see your still trying to blow smoke. Tell me what do you guys do for a living besides. I speak from 30 yrs of experience at building the axles, can you say that? I didn't think so. Yall must live in a fantasy world. Matter of fact my truck still runs up and down the highway. How do accidently slam it into reverse, where you drunk? Like I said before dana may build a specialized axle but they sure couldn't keep up wht the demands of chrysler and gm. Good luck and have a nice life, old_timer tired of trying to match witts with unarmed people.......lol
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Rich
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old_timer wrote: Well guys, I see your still trying to blow smoke. Tell me what do you guys do for a living besides. I speak from 30 yrs of experience at building the axles, can you say that? I didn't think so. Yall must live in a fantasy world. Matter of fact my truck still runs up and down the highway. How do accidently slam it into reverse, where you drunk? Like I said before dana may build a specialized axle but they sure couldn't keep up wht the demands of chrysler and gm. Good luck and have a nice life, old_timer tired of trying to match witts with unarmed people.......lol I tow buildings and bridges.
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Seenitbefore
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Rich wrote: <quoted text>
Lack of quality is what I got from the rear end in my 2008 GMC truck. The part was produced at Three Rivers and was replace at 500 miles. Who can do worse than that? SO what you are saying is because it was assembled wrong is why it failed? Or was it a materials failure? The people on the line can't build anything other than what the company management tells them to build. No amount of proper assembly is going to avoid a materials failure.
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guitronics
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It is a shame that the American working class is so divided,the have - nots against the haves. Big Business is laughing at us. It's all about the $, GREED is killing off USA's manufacturing sector.
As far as education, I personally know of several assembly line workers and contract employees who have advanced college degrees. One guy is an astro-physicist,others have mechanical engineering and biology degrees.
I think in a forum that expressing your opinion without verbal abuse is neat...that's what a forum is all about...a place to exchange diverse opinions.
I feel for the American Axle folks, they aren't getting unemployment or sub pay, they are getting strike pay, which is negotiated internally within the UAW...
I can tell you from experience that whatever money they're getting,it's just enough to eat on.
They aren't getting enough to pay mortgages, car payments, utilities;etc.
Those folks are making incredible sacrifices in order to hold onto what little they have.
I tell you, working in an assembly plant > Was < a good job back in the 70's when I hired in.Since the people at the top have put the squeeze on everyone, from the managers on down, it's a very tough occupation now,and I'm a Tier 1 employee.I wouldn't want to put up with all that crap for 1/2 of what I'm making.
In fact, I would not want my kids, friends, or relatives to work in that environment. Too dirty,too stressful, too inhumane work conditions.
Kinda makes me wonder if we've gotten close to China's factories, as far as working conditions.
There's never enough that workers can do for the company...when the quality exceeds a certain level, jobs are cut and the word re-distributed among the remaining "Group Members" (GM's)!
Since I've been layed off the last 2 weeks, I've really went through some emotional and physical changes....for the better.
Life's precious, we should all be happy for those who have a good situation: we may be able to aspire to that someday.
People who resent others who have a >percieved< "Good Job" and do whatever they can to change that person's situation (complain to managment, etc.), let their opinions fester in the media, those people are making it harder for everyone: the present workers, the future workers, their kids, their friends and relatives.
The Corporate bosses just LOVE that infighting, they get bonuses based upon "Cutting heads".
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boom
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The workers now make on average about $50,000 annually—before taxes—as compared to the $10.2 million in total compensation that American Axle President Dick Dauch ripped off from the workers in 2007. Dauch is also a former chairperson of the National Association of Manufacturers. Other American Axle company executives also make millions off the backs of the workers.
I copied this from an article I found on-line. With his 10.2 million he could pay 204 employees 50k wages! Some things just make you say hmmmmm
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Seenitbefore
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boom wrote: The workers now make on average about $50,000 annually—before taxes—as compared to the $10.2 million in total compensation that American Axle President Dick Dauch ripped off from the workers in 2007. Dauch is also a former chairperson of the National Association of Manufacturers. Other American Axle company executives also make millions off the backs of the workers.
I copied this from an article I found on-line. With his 10.2 million he could pay 204 employees 50k wages! Some things just make you say hmmmmm An executive making $2Million a year is making $228.31 per hour 24/7.
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Chip
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Seenitbefore wrote: <quoted text>
An executive making $2Million a year is making $228.31 per hour 24/7. And they are paid according to market demand, so why can't the union members be paid according to market demand like everyone else, could it be that they don't want to admit they are overpaid and underworked? I don't hear you complaing about pro athletes, movie stars, etc. Do you think that executives just get to where they are at because they are lucky, or do you think it might be a combination of God given talent and more hard work and sacrifice than you could ever contemplate?
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Seenitbefore
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Chip wrote: <quoted text>
And they are paid according to market demand, so why can't the union members be paid according to market demand like everyone else, could it be that they don't want to admit they are overpaid and underworked? I don't hear you complaing about pro athletes, movie stars, etc. Do you think that executives just get to where they are at because they are lucky, or do you think it might be a combination of God given talent and more hard work and sacrifice than you could ever contemplate? Oh no. You don't want to get me started on pro athletes or movie stars, etc. You have no idea of the hard work and sacrifice I have gone thorough buster so don't even try to play that little game with me. When you can prove to me that cars will be built, or any other hard good for that matter, when there are only CEOs , top and middle management and/or any other office anchors with no factory workers I will give you some credit over just being an elitist.
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Seenitbefore
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Chip wrote: <quoted text>
And they are paid according to market demand, so why can't the union members be paid according to market demand like everyone else, could it be that they don't want to admit they are overpaid and underworked? I don't hear you complaing about pro athletes, movie stars, etc. Do you think that executives just get to where they are at because they are lucky, or do you think it might be a combination of God given talent and more hard work and sacrifice than you could ever contemplate? And your beloved market as you prefer it is failing. Look around you. I have gone through more hard work and sacrifice that a desk anchor like you would have a heart attack over just thinking he might have to do.
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Chip
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Seenitbefore wrote: <quoted text>
And your beloved market as you prefer it is failing. Look around you.
I have gone through more hard work and sacrifice that a desk anchor like you would have a heart attack over just thinking he might have to do. You know there are places where only those who perform physical labor survive, most people refer to these places as a 3rd world country, Seems this is what you want, so what is stopping you.
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joe
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Disgusted wrote: These people are costing even more people their livelihoods. My husband is a truck driver and is now short on work because there are no parts running from any of these plants. I fail to see how making $30 an hour will make ANYBODY a part of the "working poor!" Maybe these people on strike need to visit their local unemployment office just to see how lucky they are to HAVE jobs right now. Quit whining and get back to work! The workers at American Axle are happy with there wages they just don't want them cut by 40%.Would you give your boss back 40% of your wage.
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joe
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Gary wrote: <quoted text>
From what I have read, All GM employees, per there contract, are recieving full wages while they are "laid off". If this is incorrect, please let me know. GM workers receive Unemployment plus sub which is about 65% of there pay.
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Seenitbefore
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Chip wrote: <quoted text>
You know there are places where only those who perform physical labor survive, most people refer to these places as a 3rd world country, Seems this is what you want, so what is stopping you. That means you couldn't survive in even a third world country. How pathetic.
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Seenitbefore
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joe wrote: <quoted text>GM workers receive Unemployment plus sub which is about 65% of there pay. Not when they are on strike. Striking workers can not receive unemployment benefits. And if it wasn't for union type/liberal efforts there would not be any unemployment benefits for anyone.
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Seenitbefore
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Here's something Chip your over inflated ego will not allow your brain to absorb. I have never diminished the importance of brain power or those who, well that's all they know how to do. I think without good brain power there is no advancement.
You on the other hand have the need to diminish, demean and disparage anyone who has the capacity to do more than just weigh down a chair in front of a desk. Well I've got news for you. Your even unnecessary in the department. Gravity was here long before you were.
So where you and your like are concerned someone that can use their hands and brain to produce something that you need are far more important to this and every other society than you could even hope to be. Believe it or not it takes brain power to do what they do also and you would wilt away without them.
So when you get to the point you can discuss this kind of thing without the need to make everyone believe you are better than they could possible hope for I'm willing to have a civil discussion. Otherwise go fight with the mirror.
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Chip
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Seenitbefore wrote: <quoted text>
That means you couldn't survive in even a third world country. How pathetic. Yea, I work at a desk so you assume that I am unable to do any physical labor. Sounds like the deductive reasoning of a 5 year old.
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Seenitbefore
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Chip wrote: <quoted text>
Yea, I work at a desk so you assume that I am unable to do any physical labor. Sounds like the deductive reasoning of a 5 year old. Not really. I assume you have the capability to walk behind a lawn mower.
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Cowherder
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not a golfer wrote: <quoted text>25/hr? yeah right....NPR said some of the striking workers are making $73/hr with benefits and they are striking for a better deal. Is it true there are only 3600 workers on strike? This is costing THOUSANDS of others their jobs and may bankrupt more auto suppliers that are some of the few not already there.... I work for an auto supplier and I have a Masters degree and I don't make any where near that kind of money....I would be happy with half of that! No sympathy....GO DANA..... Gee I wish the auto workers made $73.00 an hour, we all would be living like kings!! The figure of $73.00 an hour is with health benefits, vacation pay,holidays,retirement and etc., its everything and besides that figure is a tad high. You can't beleive everything you read in the media. The Amer. Axle workers are fighting for their wages which the company wants to cut in half and take away all their benefits. Why does a company who has been making huge profits want to cut their workers wages that much and not to mention the CEO being awarded millions in income and bonuses!? AAM wants to do this because they claim they want to be competitive like Delphi. Delphi screwed their hourly workers when they filed bankruptcy. To me they did it the cowardly way to gey what they wanted.
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Cowherder
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mich auto worker wrote: id just like to add one thing, if the vehicle plants wants to cut wages for us to make their vehicles, will they cut the price of the vehicle so we the people who make them can still afford to buy them? Get for real the auto companies aren't going to lower the prices of vehicles, if anything the prices are increasing. I don't know who is going to buy them if the workers can't afford them when they slash all UAW workers wages. Once the companies slash American workers wages the foreign auto companies will follow suit. We are headed for being a third world country with just the rich and poor classes. We are seeing the effects of slashing people's wages right now, look around see all the houses in foreclosure and businesses closing! We ARE in a recession right now and it is going to get worse before it improves.
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Seenitbefore
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This is exactly what I don't understand. Do these people really believe wage and benefit reductions will lower prices? No. It won't. Why? Because of the market god they pray to. The market is based on price what the market will bear. It's a false positive when the majorities income has dropped down so far they can not any longer get the credit to buy a new car so the price drops...a couple of hundred dollars. If the "market" were truly working the VAST number of cars on all the lots in all the cities and towns in this country would constantly be turning over because the prices would be less than a 3 to 6 year commitment. They're just not and haven't been. And no amount the auto workers drop their wages will make the prices drop until they absolutely have to. Even then barely significant to re-stimulate.
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