Cadillac, Ram win Car and Truck of the Year honors

Jan 14, 2013 Full story: WGAL-TV Lancaster 29

The Cadillac ATS has won Car of the Year honors at the Detroit auto show, while the Ram 1500 pickup has captured the show's Truck of the Year award. GM's Volt continues to set sales records as well.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#1 Jan 14, 2013
Can't argue with either of those choices. Both the Ram 1500 and the ATS are very well done.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#2 Jan 14, 2013
Bear in mind these awards are North American car and truck awards by North American juries.
A little bias perhaps??
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3 Jan 14, 2013
For the years these awards have been offered there has never been a complaint about North American bias. It only takes one person to ruin a positive thread.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#4 Jan 14, 2013
Credit where it's due.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#5 Jan 14, 2013
JJFADS wrote:
Credit where it's due.
You know full well just how arbitrary those awards are.
If you do not, then it's clear you don't know as much about the business as you say you do.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#6 Jan 14, 2013
These awards are gold in this industry and all volume makers vie for them. They are decided upon from a panel of executives with ties throughout the industry and auto media. Let me know if I can help you further.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#7 Jan 14, 2013
JJFADS wrote:
These awards are gold in this industry and all volume makers vie for them. They are decided upon from a panel of executives with ties throughout the industry and auto media. Let me know if I can help you further.
All automakers lobby strenuously, and the most lucrative lobby wins.
Otherwise, your response is ludicrous.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#8 Jan 14, 2013
To JJFADS/Root:
You are completely wrong about who decides Car Of The Year awards.
They are determined by a panel of automotive journalists, not automotive executives.
(Those same journalist that you previously argued " Don't know squat about the automotive business"!!)
And don't tell me that those decisions aren't arbitrary.
I've been there.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#9 Jan 14, 2013
Proteus wrote:
<quoted text>
All automakers lobby strenuously, and the most lucrative lobby wins.
Otherwise, your response is ludicrous.
Link? Proof? No

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#10 Jan 14, 2013
Proteus wrote:
To JJFADS/Root:
You are completely wrong about who decides Car Of The Year awards.
They are determined by a panel of automotive journalists, not automotive executives.
(Those same journalist that you previously argued " Don't know squat about the automotive business"!!)
And don't tell me that those decisions aren't arbitrary.
I've been there.
Exactly as I said.

"panel of executives with ties throughout the industry and auto media."

If your argument is "executive," try again.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#11 Jan 14, 2013
JJFADS wrote:
<quoted text>Link? Proof? No
Link to what?
How about your claim that automotive executives do the deciding--link?
Hint--at least three of the 50 journalists on the panel are Forbes people--the same Forbes magazine which you previously dissed as being useless.
top tester

Naperville, IL

#12 Jan 14, 2013
JJFADS wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly as I said.
"panel of executives with ties throughout the industry and auto media."
If your argument is "executive," try again.
GM are holding back on volt production folks.I dont blame them.If I had a bag of apples that cost me $3.00 to get to market and I sold them for .25 cents a bag I would be discouraged too.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#13 Jan 15, 2013
Iím very glad to see Ram and Cadillac win these awards.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#14 Jan 15, 2013
Link that backs up your claim about lobbying. You donít have one because your statement is not true.

Newsflash Ė your problem story was Reuters, not Forbes.

I didnít say auto executives Ė(reading comprehension).

Rather ďpanel of executives with ties throughout the industry and auto media" which is dead on accurate.

I also believe there are around 90 or so, not 50.

Iím not calling you stupid.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#15 Jan 15, 2013
The selection process for North American Car Of The Year Awards involved 49 JOURNALISTS from USA and Canada.
Please note there were NO AUTO EXECUTIVES on the selection panel.
The process is clarified and confirmed in the following link.
http://www.northamericancaroftheyear.org/inde...

I have it on first hand authority that lobbying of the jounalistic panel by auto companies is very aggressive.
a cousin of mine is a jounalist with a major Detroit newspaper and was on the 49 person selection committee this year.
We have had extensive discussions about this process.
It definitely isn't as democratic as one would think.
Believe it or not.
the man

Naperville, IL

#16 Jan 15, 2013
Proteus wrote:
The selection process for North American Car Of The Year Awards involved 49 JOURNALISTS from USA and Canada.
Please note there were NO AUTO EXECUTIVES on the selection panel.
The process is clarified and confirmed in the following link.
http://www.northamericancaroftheyear.org/inde...
I have it on first hand authority that lobbying of the jounalistic panel by auto companies is very aggressive.
a cousin of mine is a jounalist with a major Detroit newspaper and was on the 49 person selection committee this year.
We have had extensive discussions about this process.
It definitely isn't as democratic as one would think.
Believe it or not.
I agree prostate guy,The whole world is run by huge mega companies my friend.They even decide whos president too.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#17 Jan 15, 2013
Do you actually read before posting or is this a reading comprehension problem? Nobody said AUTO EXECUTIVES. Here it is again ďexecutives with ties throughout the industry and auto media" which is dead on accurate. Get it right this time. I had dear friend on the panel.
You donít have a link about lobbying.

Credit where itís due. Congratulations to Chrysler and GM.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#18 Jan 15, 2013
Congratulations to GM and Chrysler for their awards.

That said, there were 49 people on the Car Of The Year Award selection committee, not 90 or so as posted.

Also, there were only JOURNALISTS on the selection committee, not "Executives with ties throughout the industry" as was previously implied.

Furthermore, it is acknowledged that there is intense lobbying in this process by all automobile companies.

Believe it or not.

What I said earlier is just as true now.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#19 Jan 15, 2013
I see a certain civility in your posting and thank you for the congratulations to the winners.

You are correct with regard to the 49.

I disagree with your assertion about lobbying. In fierce competition the cars are awarded on their merits.

There are members throughout the media that are at the Executive level that do have ties to the industry. This is a fact. Ed Lapham is a good example.
Proteus

Windsor, Canada

#20 Jan 15, 2013
Following is the CV for my cousin.
Most recent position on top, then down from there.
Three years on the COYA selection committee.
Name not included for obvious reasons.
During many discussions on the subject of Car Of The Year Awards, the subject of intense lobbying has been mentioned.
That's the truth.
Believe it or not.

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