United Auto Workers in Claycomo approve Ford contract

[YourPalMoe]

only japan wrote:

ford owners real dumb *ford..suck...

Or at least the targeted customers they have been courting in their so called "pc"advertising lately...
Why would they want to self destruct by aiming at such a self destructive minority?

[eric]

Vet wrote:

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Please go take and pass a 6th grade english class and learn how to write. It's dumb asses like you that make the American workforce look bad, not the people who work hard to make decent money.

Dumb asses like me?Its not rocket science working on an assembly line,and if you dont think the UAW high wages and benefits arent hurting the industry,,then you are the dumbass.Ive seen some plants and people sitting on thier asses doing nothing,ive delivered and seen it,so dont bullshit me, with your holier then thou BS.I own an american vehicle and proud of it,but,The union didnt concede anything until bankruptcy loomed,and high wages benefits are hurting things.ANy economist and specialist on the subject knows this.

[eric]

screwbuilder wrote:

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I work on the assembly line and I can guarantee you that I do NOT sit on my ass and make $30.00 per hour. In fact I do not make $30.00 per hour. It is misinformed people like you spreading misinformation that make the American workforce look bad. Please educate yourself before posting bad information.
What is funny is that we have given many concessions the last 5+ years. When things were good in the late 90's Ford was fine the the wages and benefits we receive. Ford was making record profits, paying record bonuses etc. but when things went bad everyone assumes it is the unions fault. The union did not design cars the buying public didn't want. The union did not plan on trucks and SUV's being the bread and butter of the company and ignore the car market.

I own an American vehicle so i supported the UAW,yes you did concede,the point was it wasnt until you almost lost your job.Unions are abusing businesses for the most part,there was a time when it was needed, business were getting away with murder,but unions make it almost inpossible for lazy workers to lose thier job,and wages benefits ect are to high for the condition the industry is in,hence early retirement,ect and yes the companies have designed cars that are less desireable compared to some foreign jobs,but they are getting better and in most cases are better then the foreign jobs.oh yes the average union wage is 28_ per hr sorry i rounded it up 1.? some thing an hr.appearently some didnt get the point.

[PeaceOfficer]

only japan wrote:

ford owners real dumb *ford..suck...

Hey dude, I see you're from Downer's Grove, wow like man I live in Independence, MO also know as "Meth-Ville, USA. Small world I guess...far out.

[ClaycomoSon]

no more ford wrote:

what kind of idiot will buy FORD learn history with ford help hitler and natzis were able to kill innocent people durning the world war 2

http://www.adl.org/Braun/dim_13_2_ford.asp

I found this post to be interesting. Yes, there was an investigation on Ford Motor Co. on the allegations that they might have made profits off of the Nazis, but an article was written in depth and profits for Ford at their Cologne plant were shown to be terrible during WW II. That plant was built there by Ford long before the Nazis took power.(Please read your history first..please).

http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wwIIbayarea/for....

Now I will take it a step further and tell you Roosevelt stopped all the car companies from building cars during the war. They retooled and built planes, boats, and tanks. Ford Motor Co. designed and developed the first big block Ford motor and put it in a Sherman tank. Those tanks killed thousands of Hitler's hideous war machine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[screwbuilder]

ClaycomoSon wrote:

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http://www.adl.org/Braun/dim_13_2_ford.asp
I found this post to be interesting. Yes, there was an investigation on Ford Motor Co. on the allegations that they might have made profits off of the Nazis, but an article was written in depth and profits for Ford at their Cologne plant were shown to be terrible during WW II. That plant was built there by Ford long before the Nazis took power.(Please read your history first..please).
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wwIIbayarea/for....
Now I will take it a step further and tell you Roosevelt stopped all the car companies from building cars during the war. They retooled and built planes, boats, and tanks. Ford Motor Co. designed and developed the first big block Ford motor and put it in a Sherman tank. Those tanks killed thousands of Hitler's hideous war machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

True, the Ford plant in Claycomo built airplane wings during the war. Let's not forget that many of the planes that bombed Pearl Harbor were built my Mitsubishi.

[intrepid]

no more ford wrote:

what kind of idiot will buy FORD learn history with ford help hitler and natzis were able to kill innocent people durning the world war 2

And now George Bush is doing it with your tax dollars. Aren't you feeling proud?! Ford helped Hitler before he invaded Poland(ie: unrealized world threat, get your facts straight. You buy Japanese cars, the Japs murdered millions of innocents too.

[intrepid]

hell with ford wrote:

i give you good advise fire all overpayd 30$ uaw lazy crack smoking so call workers hire new hard working mexican chinese foreign people and watch the company grow. kil the uaw union are destroyng world

Spoken like a true corporate goon! Then again you don't sound very educated either. It's sad to see the seething animosity directed at those that won good wages in good times and spent their money in the country they work in, be demonized for doing so. Workers have given up 50% of their wages now. Will vehicle not be 50% cheaper? You can't blame the auto workers any more. We have nothing more to give. Now ALL the onus is on the Corporations. We are watching.

[eric]

Intrepid are you saying that the workers cant give any consessions? pay abit more for your health insurance? survive on 20 per hr instead of 28 per hr. ect. True the companies have to cut back on bonuses for thier management, and cut unnessasary spending,but, its a 2 way street and both sides have to give.

[Vet]

eric wrote:

<quoted text>Dumb asses like me?Its not rocket science working on an assembly line,and if you dont think the UAW high wages and benefits arent hurting the industry,,then you are the dumbass.Ive seen some plants and people sitting on thier asses doing nothing,ive delivered and seen it,so dont bullshit me, with your holier then thou BS.I own an american vehicle and proud of it,but,The union didnt concede anything until bankruptcy loomed,and high wages benefits are hurting things.ANy economist and specialist on the subject knows this.

Yes, dumb asses like you.

[intrepid]

eric wrote:

<quoted text>If yo think its healthy that a car company pays 30.00 hr to Union workers,and they wont give concessions until its bankrupt city and while Toyota,Honda workers are at least 10 hr less,and they are in better financial shape,then you fiqure it out,I am for america and UAW has almost ruined the American auto industry,but if i can sit on my ass and make 30 oper hr like you and make inferior products,id bitch if someone critisized it as well.Now get to work and make AMerica proud

How does a corporations financial shape have anything to do with UAW wages? Wages are only 10% of the cost of a vehicle. Uaw does not design or market the vehicles so you can't blame workers. They won that compensation through negotiation when the companies were making billions. The UAW and unions created the middle class and America will be lost with out it. If the unions are broken then YOU will be next on the chopping block for your wages who ever you are, what ever you do. No one is safe from overseas unbalanced competition. Keep buying crap you don't need from China to strengthen their military & economy. We will be the third world soon enough. One last thing....Is $5,000,000.00 a year plus stock options fair for a CEO? At that rate, he or she makes more in 30 minutes than the average worker in America for a whole year. You focus on auto workers compensation is a distraction from the real greed in America.

[eric]

corporation financial shape and UAW wages do corolate. You mentioned wages nego. while they made millions,well now, they arent making millions,yet your pay while they make millions is the same as the wages when they are losing money or breaking even.

I realize the situation,and i do anything within my power not to buy anything thats not American,but.Union jobs arent going to save nonunion jobs.

How come you can justify 28 hr for a worker for a near bankrupt company,but not 5m for a CEo running the whole thing? Both are overpaid IMO,but please know im in your corner, and wish you folks the best,and keep making quality products and we will be fine!! and finally beat the old rap of bad cars and people might actually realize the truth that Toyota is overated along with the rest of the foreign cars out there.

[Fred_Flynn-Stone]

eric wrote:

corporation financial shape and UAW wages do corolate. You mentioned wages nego. while they made millions,well now, they arent making millions,yet your pay while they make millions is the same as the wages when they are losing money or breaking even.
I realize the situation,and i do anything within my power not to buy anything thats not American,but.Union jobs arent going to save nonunion jobs.
How come you can justify 28 hr for a worker for a near bankrupt company,but not 5m for a CEo running the whole thing? Both are overpaid IMO,but please know im in your corner, and wish you folks the best,and keep making quality products and we will be fine!! and finally beat the old rap of bad cars and people might actually realize the truth that Toyota is overated along with the rest of the foreign cars out there.

Oh yes, we should turn control of the auto makers over to the government!
Wake up, we are a capitalist nation, it has made this republic great. How many other nations give out as much humanitarian aid as USA to turd world countries and get slapped around for it? Talk about biting the hand that feeds them!
Remember absolute power corrupts absolutely.
We are letting the power of the people slip away very quickly.

[Fred_Flynn-Stone]

PeaceOfficer wrote:

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Hey dude, I see you're from Downer's Grove, wow like man I live in Independence, MO also know as "Meth-Ville, USA. Small world I guess...far out.

What in the world does this post have to do with the subject at hand.
Complete nonsense if you ask me.

[PeaceOfficer]

Fred_Flynn-Stone wrote:

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What in the world does this post have to do with the subject at hand.
Complete nonsense if you ask me.

Sorry 'bout that, I'm new at this posting stuff, now sit down, take a deep breath, have some hot chocolate and a couple of donuts.

[intrepid]

eric wrote:

Intrepid are you saying that the workers cant give any consessions? pay abit more for your health insurance? survive on 20 per hr instead of 28 per hr. ect. True the companies have to cut back on bonuses for thier management, and cut unnessasary spending,but, its a 2 way street and both sides have to give.

Eric, This is yesterdays news! What country do you live in? Negotiations are over, and concessions have been given already.$20.00 per hr? Try $14.00 per hr. Read a paper, the UAW has given away the farm, now it's the companies turn to design cars people want to buy.

[intrepid]

eric wrote:

corporation financial shape and UAW wages do corolate. You mentioned wages nego. while they made millions,well now, they arent making millions,yet your pay while they make millions is the same as the wages when they are losing money or breaking even.
I realize the situation,and i do anything within my power not to buy anything thats not American,but.Union jobs arent going to save nonunion jobs.
How come you can justify 28 hr for a worker for a near bankrupt company,but not 5m for a CEo running the whole thing? Both are overpaid IMO,but please know im in your corner, and wish you folks the best,and keep making quality products and we will be fine!! and finally beat the old rap of bad cars and people might actually realize the truth that Toyota is overated along with the rest of the foreign cars out there.

Like I said, the wgaes have been cut, the benefits are now paid more by workers out of their own pockets. The companies got had their way with us. UAW workers can't be your whipping boy any longer. We've been bled and bruised. Now the ball is in the companies court. Time to start designing cars people want to buy. Workers build them they don't design or market them.

[intrepid]

I think Eric is some corporate white shirt paid to infiltrate this site and seem like a foreigner. Any one else get this impression?

PAID CHARACTER ASSASIN!!

[intrepid]

SUBARU STI wrote:

When it comes to American car manufacturers, they just don’t get it. They can advertise all they want about quality is job one, and we make the most reliable cars and trucks on the planet, and it makes no difference because the American people know its all bull. Only the gullible Union idiots are stupid enough to keep buying their junk under the premise of loyalty. You’re wasting your money idiots.

and your wasting our time traitor! Go back to communist China. What do you know about the thoughts of the American people. It's obvious you don't support American made products so who cares what you think? Your boyfriend and your BMW are waiting....see ya

[intrepid]

arlene13 wrote:

People look around you. What do you see? Are we in a crisis? How can United States Americans' spend money if the circle stops: earn money, spend money? And no it's not just in automobiles, but in everything you see.. Get over your ingnorance and be proud this milestone has ended. Stop wasting your energy on stupid comments (or take it as a joke - your choice). For we are headed down a long road of recovery because we are not contributing to help "OUR" economy grow.(nice poem by the way!) Proud of Ford! They could of easily taken these jobs overseas or to Mexico, or Canada, where ever. Bringing down these workers pay is not going to bring down our growing prices for food, clothes, gas etc. And to the ignorant person refering to the "hitler contribution" comment grow up! We cannot change the past. In that case the European's should give back this great land to the Native American's of which their ancestor were cheated out of. Get over it. Or better yet do something about it and get them out of reservation camps and give them your land. How many natives were not masacred in the land you live today?...

Just remember this Kansas, auto jobs in Canada are union,C.A.W., and we buy what we build, we are consumers of a hell of a lot of American product so don't lump us into the same category as some mexican living in a mud & grass hut working for 50cents a day, and sending finished product to the States while not being able to buy it himself. That's Mexico not Canada. BIG ASS DIFFERENCE!! We work, make decent livings, pay taxes, drive cars and buy houses just like you guys. We don't try to climb barbed wire to get into your country, we go over to buy groceries and party!! Just wanted to set the record straight. We are you...with a Touque on! LOL! Peace.