SUB Pay Benefits for Layoffs

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Detroit Tigers 2008

United States

#1 Jan 30, 2008
Section IV of the 2007 Chrysler UAW contract reads if you have less than 3 years your entitled to 26 weeks of sub pay. 3 or more years seniority will get you 52 weeks of sub pay when the 52 weeks are exhausted the Company will provide up to an additional 104 weeks.

At SHAP they told us when we lose our 2nd shift we will be on layoff and collect 48 weeks of unemployment and sub pay. After our 48 weeks are up we will be placed in the Job Bank for the remainder of the contract. Something dont seem right here.
HRC

United States

#2 Jan 31, 2008
That is correct. Here in STL.....we only have like 6 weeks or so of sub and unemployment and then we go to FULL sub. That is due to us exhausting unemployment last summer for 4 months during shut down.
Sam JNAP

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#3 Jan 31, 2008
I thought we had 2 years of combined benefits. Unemployment, Sub, and the Job bank, and then they dumps us no matter how many years we have. Is this not correct?
kilroy

Grand Prairie, TX

#4 Jan 31, 2008
I believe you have a union that will provide you with a copy of your contract,you should get one and read it so you know what your entilted to,Them ask questions, it's your contract---READ IT
jerry---slps

United States

#5 Jan 31, 2008
Detroit Tigers 2008 wrote:
Section IV of the 2007 Chrysler UAW contract reads if you have less than 3 years your entitled to 26 weeks of sub pay. 3 or more years seniority will get you 52 weeks of sub pay when the 52 weeks are exhausted the Company will provide up to an additional 104 weeks.
At SHAP they told us when we lose our 2nd shift we will be on layoff and collect 48 weeks of unemployment and sub pay. After our 48 weeks are up we will be placed in the Job Bank for the remainder of the contract. Something dont seem right here.
What your quoting is old language. All that has been deleted in the new agreement. Volume related declines attributable to market related conditions described in letter 126, ess program volume related layoffs not to exceed 48 weeks (inclusive of vacation shutdown weeks except for shutdowns taken during model change over or plant rearrangement) over the term of this memorandum of understanding. pg 206
been there done that

AOL

#6 Jan 31, 2008
jerry---slps wrote:
<quoted text>What your quoting is old language. All that has been deleted in the new agreement. Volume related declines attributable to market related conditions described in letter 126, ess program volume related layoffs not to exceed 48 weeks (inclusive of vacation shutdown weeks except for shutdowns taken during model change over or plant rearrangement) over the term of this memorandum of understanding. pg 206
They did change this letter you have refered to, which is an M-7 EES letter. Iam not sure of the 126 part you stated. But, never the less, It didn't change the fact that people can be laid off for 48 weeks and then reverted to job bank status after this runs out. Remember that they told every one of us at these meetings," EVERYBODY THAT IS A SENIORITY EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME OF THIS RADIFCATION WILL BE PROTECTED!", and the only way this could be, is if they are able to move us from lay off to job abnk.
guess who

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Jan 31, 2008
been there done that wrote:
<quoted text>They did change this letter you have refered to, which is an M-7 EES letter. Iam not sure of the 126 part you stated. But, never the less, It didn't change the fact that people can be laid off for 48 weeks and then reverted to job bank status after this runs out. Remember that they told every one of us at these meetings," EVERYBODY THAT IS A SENIORITY EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME OF THIS RADIFCATION WILL BE PROTECTED!", and the only way this could be, is if they are able
to move us from lay off to job abnk.
Who told you? Ron G?? Your local president? They never lied to you before?
guess who

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Jan 31, 2008
Protected, as you have recall rights, or what?
been there done that

AOL

#9 Jan 31, 2008
been there done that wrote:
<quoted text>They did change this letter you have refered to, which is an M-7 EES letter. Iam not sure of the 126 part you stated. But, never the less, It didn't change the fact that people can be laid off for 48 weeks and then reverted to job bank status after this runs out. Remember that they told every one of us at these meetings," EVERYBODY THAT IS A SENIORITY EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME OF THIS RADIFCATION WILL BE PROTECTED!", and the only way this could be, is if they are able to move us from lay off to job abnk.
Job Security Program Improved
Your negotiating team resisted efforts by the corporation to eliminate the programs which protect our job and income security. Instead UAW bargainers made substantial improvements. The Employment Security System (ESS) benchmarks have been eliminated and all seniority workers are covered as of the effective date of the proposed agreement.

Changes make it possible for new entry-level employees to become traditional employees to fill vacancies.

Allowable reasons for layoff remain the same, as well as the 48-week maximum layoff period.
I think that people all interpret things diffrent and in many cases, add their own meaning.
been there done that

AOL

#10 Jan 31, 2008
guess who wrote:
<quoted text>
Who told you? Ron G?? Your local president? They never lied to you before?
I agree, they seem to lie a lot! It also seems that evrybody is a lawyer with this doom and gloom attitude! All we can base anything on,is the contract....
HRC

United States

#11 Jan 31, 2008
guess who wrote:
Protected, as you have recall rights, or what?
or what
HRC

United States

#12 Jan 31, 2008
Your getting paid has a big part to do with protected status. You should really inform yourself because if you don't know what protected worker is than lord knows you don't know much about your own contract.
tired of HRC

Zanesville, OH

#13 Feb 23, 2008
More lies from the villiage idiot..
kokomo wife

Bedford, IN

#14 Feb 23, 2008
from what i understood is you have 48 weeks sub than go into the job bank then after 2 years if you are not back to work a way will be made for you. now what that means it is anybody's guess. we voted this contract in with a lot of question marks. not knowing what somethings mean so i guess now we will have to live with it.
guess who

Cherokee, KS

#15 Feb 23, 2008
The way I read it was 48 weeks sub, then job bank. While in the job bank you can be made 2 offers for employment elsewhere. If you turn both of them down then the only thing you have left is recall rights to your home plant.
joe arducan

Muskegon, MI

#16 Feb 9, 2009
I wanted to know if anyone knows how much money was even in sub pay for the term of the contract.Also, the chance of sub pay running out.
Region 3

AOL

#17 Feb 9, 2009
Its going ot run out . Its a "DRY" fund. Its down to around 53% and with down weeks & more layoffs & plant closings coming up its just a matter of time !
Fact

AOL

#18 Feb 9, 2009
One thing to remember, they have done away with the job banks. It has always been stated in all the meetings that they have the flexibility to move monies from one fund to another if need be. Last I heard, it was only about 22% down and this was back at the last offer of a buyout. I am sure it is lower now because of all the down time, but remember, the other fund can be put in this fund.

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