Belvidere Assembly Walkout

Belvidere Assembly Walkout

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U A W STRONG

United States

#1 Aug 7, 2008
Belvidere Assembly is being "bullied" around by management no more. Management started called a 10 hour notice, which does not exist, because of a problem in the stamping area. As per the National agreement, anything over 9 hours is voluntary as we all know. No one ever has a problem with the 9 hour call even though the notice is NEVER properly given. Local 1268 with the blessing of the International UAW has taken a stand employees have had to walk out with management threatening them all the way after the ninth hour. With almost 3 months of inventory on the lots now this typical strong arming of this management staff is a joke. Members of local 1268 should appreciate the new officials and the job that they are doing.

Since: Jul 08

Beaufort, Mo

#2 Aug 7, 2008
U A W STRONG wrote:
Belvidere Assembly is being "bullied" around by management no more. Management started called a 10 hour notice, which does not exist, because of a problem in the stamping area. As per the National agreement, anything over 9 hours is voluntary as we all know. No one ever has a problem with the 9 hour call even though the notice is NEVER properly

given. Local 1268 with the blessing of the International UAW has taken a stand employees have had to walk out with management threatening them all the way after the ninth hour. With almost 3 months of inventory on the lots now this typical strong arming of this management staff is a joke. Members of local 1268 should appreciate the new officials and the job that they are doing.
ANYTHING OVER 9 HOURS IS WHAT?????????? we HAVE BEEN ON 10 HOURS AT sT. lOUIS nORTH FOR THE LAST 3 WEEKS. wE HAD NO CHOICE!!!!!!!!
No gravy

Chesterfield, MO

#3 Aug 7, 2008
U A W STRONG wrote:
Belvidere Assembly is being "bullied" around by management no more. Management started called a 10 hour notice, which does not exist, because of a problem in the stamping area. As per the National agreement, anything over 9 hours is voluntary as we all know. No one ever has a problem with the 9 hour call even though the notice is NEVER properly given. Local 1268 with the blessing of the International UAW has taken a stand employees have had to walk out with management threatening them all the way after the ninth hour. With almost 3 months of inventory on the lots now this typical strong arming of this management staff is a joke. Members of local 1268 should appreciate the new officials and the job that they are doing.
Are you building a right side drive car at your plant? I read an article that your plant was going to build cars for the china market. The same article said that a new minivan plant was built in dutzow china to supply the same china market in 2009 all calibers are to be built in Belvidere for export, just wanted to confirm. Thanks
greek

Chicago, IL

#4 Aug 7, 2008
Better check your "Local" agreements.....I'm sure they vary from Local to Local.....Would be surprised if International did actually stand up to the company on anything ......IMO....
guess who

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Aug 7, 2008
U A W STRONG wrote:
Belvidere Assembly is being "bullied" around by management no more. Management started called a 10 hour notice, which does not exist, because of a problem in the stamping area. As per the National agreement, anything over 9 hours is voluntary as we all know. No one ever has a problem with the 9 hour call even though the notice is NEVER properly given. Local 1268 with the blessing of the International UAW has taken a stand employees have had to walk out with management threatening them all the way after the ninth hour. With almost 3 months of inventory on the lots now this typical strong arming of this management staff is a joke. Members of local 1268 should appreciate the new officials and the job that they are doing.
I can see it now,
UAW leaders and management in a meeting"we really fooled the membership into thinking we stood up to you guys(management) by walking out while you have a 3 month inventory.(management to UAW) yea thanks guys, this will really help us this quarter since we won't have to pay any wages or lay anyone off, this is a great time for an invenotry reduction"
nope

Nutley, NJ

#6 Aug 7, 2008
guess who wrote:
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I can see it now,
UAW leaders and management in a meeting"we really fooled the membership into thinking we stood up to you guys(management) by walking out while you have a 3 month inventory.(management to UAW) yea thanks guys, this will really help us this quarter since we won't have to pay any wages or lay anyone off, this is a great time for an invenotry reduction"
LOL, yeah no kidding. Jeez bitching about working 10 hours right now with the state of the auto industry seems pretty childish.
Old 110er

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Aug 7, 2008
Piss poor economy + high numbers of plant closings + new small car from Nissan + we won't get pushed around attitude about overtime = be careful what you ask for.
U A W STRONG

United States

#8 Aug 7, 2008
Thanks for the very, very predictable comments.
but....
We have a contract, well at least somewhat of a contract. Our local contract was checked also and the one provision for a 10 hour call expired last week. St. Louis, unless its in you local contract, you do have a choice as dictated in your National contract, "Anything over 9 hours is voluntary". Gravy, we already build the right hand drives for export, have been since launch. Nope, sometimes its just the principal. Management probably would have gotten everyone to stay with a simple canvass but these guys like to "dictate" if you will. Why let everyone stand around for 5 hours, getting paid to do nothing as there was a break down in another part of the plant just to carry out the 10 hour call? The only reason is because they can if they get away with it. All we have left is what little contract we have now.
Old 110er

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Aug 7, 2008
And the International knows that if they push too hard to enforce the contract the Three Headed Dog can turn around and parcel the whole shebang to Tata or Fiat. You think telemarketers from India are bad...... Now you work for Rajeesh!

It's called balancing the system. When one part breaks down the other part has to wait. Most contracts have clauses about emergency situations which give mgmt the right to schedule overtime. In the St. Louis South body shop I've worked 97% 9-12 hour days and 3% 8 hour days over the last 10 years. We even run parts of the system thru lunch and they are closing our plant....
U A W STRONG

United States

#10 Aug 7, 2008
Old 110er

You are exactly right. Balance the system...so when your departments exceed every number that management sets, when they too work thru breaks, lunch, whatever just like we do too then dont try to push something down the throat of your workforce. Its not an emergency when we have cars on the lots, 3 months worth. And the clause you refer to is called "Critical" and we are no where near that status. Maybe that contributed to your plant closing, building during overtime when you dont need it which is what all plants do. Thats not efficient. This is just the latest tatic by this management team to let us know where they stand regarding contract.
Merican Idiot

United States

#11 Aug 7, 2008
My Belvidere Brothers/Sisters-

Take great caution in your actions..... All of us in the STL market believed in our invincibility too.
STL North/South has always worked extreme overtime scheduling, Hell we were the primary Minivan & Truck plants for the past 15+ years.
See where we are today. One thing you have to remember, you do not work for Chrysler, you work for Cerberus with Chrysler idiots at the helm. Our future is not their concern, the bottom line is, contract or no contract, it doesn't matter. Additionally, don't fool yourself thing that the International give the 1st damn about Belvidere, just like our market, as OLD 110'er has outlined what is obvious and what is reality are night & day.
If you are able to work 10hrs + Saturdays, accept it while you can, because there are more UAW brothers/sisters OUT of work than ON work never mind overtime.
As a laid-off brother since Dec. 2007 with damn good seniority, I could be one of those that could bump into your market and be working the overtime you want to reject. Even receiving SUB does not compare remotely to what you have available to you.
I suggest you work & save all you can, because when its all said and done.... you might be the anxious, angry, disillusioned, disgusted and displaced autoworker who now has time to respond on this forum, instead of "bitching" about overtime.
Good Luck to you all, you too will need it. We (STL) will see you soon.... Until Then......

Later
U A W STRONG

United States

#12 Aug 7, 2008
Missing the point people....

I have and many with me have already been through this crap. I am from a closed plant we worked 10 hour shifts were lied to over and over and over and over blah blah blah and we never kept our plant in check for nothing we gave and gave and gave and what did it get us NOTHING NO one is bitching about the overtime its the way things are being done. I for one am tired of calling International and being told just be happy you have a job. I work for a living everyday and Im being told most of the time by someone at a desk job to just be happy. come on. Maybe all of the temps that just lost their $22.00 jobs and were brought back for $14.00 for 119 days, should they be happy just to have a job? they pay dues but have no representation. Is that what you want for our UAW future? This could go on and on. Take the point for what its worth. Its black and white. We dont have much to cling to. This time we have a thread and Local 1268 and the International at least did something so why not acknowledge that and go on. Common sense, if your in bind and need help ask, dont demand and say im going to make you like it or not. Yeah thats a good method, get everyone all pissed off knowing that your going against the contract then stand at the gate and threaten to fire them. that sounds like harrasment in these days. Not a very good way to do business.
guess who

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Aug 7, 2008
Your point is taken, and the whole issue is the way the UAW negotiates. They are in a demand cycle, give the minimum. Instead what about approaching management and saying lets see your goals. Say they want 95% FTC and are currently at 85%, UAW says if we can get you 90% FTC by contract end, we want more work for the plant, etc, etc. I know it is a reach and chrysler is so mismanaged it is pathetic, but maybe that would be the true meaning of team!
guess who

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Aug 7, 2008
I shouldn't say the whole issue. The UAW doesn't have much to stand on right now, yes you could cripple a company for a while, but as soon as you do you will lose work next contract. Anderson indiana crippled GM in the early 70's, GM swore to never build another plant in anderson, IN. They had 25,000 GM employees in Anderson at one time. Now I think they are at zero. Instead of not building in anderson, they can just say we are not building in the US.
slpn3

AOL

#15 Aug 7, 2008
You say you have temps working at $14 an hour for 119 days? Dont we have people on the street in other areas of the country ? Are there people on layoff in the Detroit area?...Not to make fun of you but,,,your complaining about a10 hr call but why are you not complaining that they are using temp workers AGAIN in your plant when we have people on the street? GL
Rich_St_Louis_So uth

Kansas City, MO

#16 Aug 7, 2008
slpn3 wrote:
You say you have temps working at $14 an hour for 119 days? Dont we have people on the street in other areas of the country ? Are there people on layoff in the Detroit area?...Not to make fun of you but,,,your complaining about a10 hr call but why are you not complaining that they are using temp workers AGAIN in your plant when we have people on the street? GL
Yeah they have temps working, that is who we will replace if we go there. They are still there because we all have been passing on going there for a while now. I am guessing those days are over, I am sure wee will have more than enough people to fill those slots now.
slpn3

AOL

#17 Aug 7, 2008
Rich_St_Louis_South wrote:
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Yeah they have temps working, that is who we will replace if we go there. They are still there because we all have been passing on going there for a while now. I am guessing those days are over, I am sure wee will have more than enough people to fill those slots now.
Rich , have you heard any numbers on other areas in the country with people off?
Merican Idiot

Imperial, MO

#18 Aug 7, 2008
UAW Strong- No, the rest of us are not missing the point. We have all been through this crap, the STL market had to sustain the major absorption from many other markets when other markets closed for some time now. We have systematically endured the Internationals failure to support us too.

This last National Agreement was a joke. The STL plants rejected the contract by 77% along with Kenosha and a few select others, but somehow the language gets ratified by a 65% margin? How does that work? Either people are lying to your face or the International Union is really just another name for the Big 3.(Sure seems like it). Nate Gooden/Ron Gettlefinger/General Hollyfield appear like representatives for the Big 3, NOT the UAW.(Hope you are reading this General, because your recent appearance in STL showed everyone here what you are really about-NOT US!!)

I for one always vote against any language (at least the 1st & 2nd version) to make the International re-negotiate. We should always have a say in our futures. That has not happened for the last 3 agreements.

We (all autoworkers) are doomed by default. Solidarity might not be dead, but its certainly is not alive either. Don't get me wrong as many ideals you speak of are quite true, any TPT that endures 119 days should be entitled to their 120th day!

I am not calling you out, but your market has not been affected with the closures that the rest of us have and are experiencing. That's where I believe you are sadly mistaken.

One consideration of true solidarity by the UAW membership should maybe be withdrawal from the International UAW and re-alignment and integration with the Teamsters or similar union?
It sucks being laid off & still paying dues for no representation.

I hope for all of our sakes that the International wakes up, gets serious about the reason they were established and takes the lead in our future.

Good Luck to you, my brother......
brown suger

AOL

#19 Aug 7, 2008
man, general gonna take care of stl. new small car coming, it gonna put everone back to work. enjoy ur time off, drank a few beers, chase a few ho's and get ready for balls to the wall production this coming spring.
andersson

Nutley, NJ

#20 Aug 7, 2008
brown suger wrote:
man, general gonna take care of stl. new small car coming, it gonna put everone back to work. enjoy ur time off, drank a few beers, chase a few ho's and get ready for balls to the wall production this coming spring.
I hope you're right. Where are you hearing this from?

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