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ssp

United States

#1 Oct 17, 2012
Aws coming to stamping plants ?
Rayshonee

Detroit, MI

#3 Oct 17, 2012
the truth wrote:
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yes
Skilled trades will not be going to aws
Gottime

Battle Creek, MI

#4 Oct 17, 2012
Any plant that will go to 3 shifts will adopt the AWS system.
emanon

United States

#5 Oct 17, 2012
ssp wrote:
Aws coming to stamping plants ?
Sounds like it. Go to the meeting 10am this Sunday & see what they have to say. I hope there's a way around it. Nobody wants AWS, but Bobby, Ray, etc will still be able to set their own hours, but they will have to deal with a very unhappy membership...Knock on wood, cross your fingers...
AWS is BS!!!
ssp

United States

#6 Oct 18, 2012
Don't like what we hear or agree you don't have to wait till elections recall
Stampgirl

Detroit, MI

#7 Oct 18, 2012
ssp wrote:
Don't like what we hear or agree you don't have to wait till elections recall
what is AWS is it different then 3 120

Since: Jul 11

Southfield, MI

#8 Oct 19, 2012
There are actually 3 different versions of Flexible Operating Patterns

3-2-120 (This is the only method Chrysler has used so far to my knowledge for BAP and will use for JNAP and possibly WTAP)
FDWW (Four Day Work Week) 2 crews, 2 shifts, working 10 hours each.
and
AWS (3 crews, 3 shifts, working 8 hours each)
Toaster

Lowell, MI

#9 Oct 19, 2012
From what i understand aws consists of two 10 hour shifts 6 days a week, 120 hours of production. The three 8 hour shifts 5 days a week we currently run at SSP is also 120 hours of production and the we still need to run most saturdays and a sunday here and there. Some of these presses need to run 24/7 so how can they afford to stop them for 4 hours a day? I dont think 3-2-120 or 6-2-120 will work in their favor. They may save on labor cost but if they hold up assembly plants due to lack of production they will loose.
Shroom

United States

#10 Oct 19, 2012
They will run seven days!
Toaster

United States

#11 Oct 19, 2012
Shroom wrote:
They will run seven days!
we already do...
Rapter

United States

#12 Oct 19, 2012
I can't wait to see all the tier 2's on c shift lol!!!!
Toaster

United States

#13 Oct 19, 2012
Rapter wrote:
I can't wait to see all the tier 2's on c shift lol!!!!
isnt like over half of the plant T2?

Since: Jul 11

Southfield, MI

#14 Oct 19, 2012
Toaster wrote:
From what i understand aws consists of two 10 hour shifts 6 days a week, 120 hours of production. The three 8 hour shifts 5 days a week we currently run at SSP is also 120 hours of production and the we still need to run most saturdays and a sunday here and there. Some of these presses need to run 24/7 so how can they afford to stop them for 4 hours a day? I dont think 3-2-120 or 6-2-120 will work in their favor. They may save on labor cost but if they hold up assembly plants due to lack of production they will loose.
The whole point of my post is that people constantly call everything besides 3 straight shifts "AWS". That is technically NOT the case. Read the contract. There's 3-2-120, AWS and FDWW, and they are all as I described them.
emanon

United States

#15 Oct 19, 2012
Toaster wrote:
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isnt like over half of the plant T2?
It looks that way & many are connected to people in high places. They get away with murder, never seen anything like it in 15 yrs. at 4 plants. A few weeks ago a bug driver almost killed himself on the job due to his own stupidity & carelessness. Totally preventable accident, inches from a fatality & the fool already has his license back.
emanon

United States

#16 Oct 19, 2012
Toaster wrote:
From what i understand aws consists of two 10 hour shifts 6 days a week, 120 hours of production. The three 8 hour shifts 5 days a week we currently run at SSP is also 120 hours of production and the we still need to run most saturdays and a sunday here and there. Some of these presses need to run 24/7 so how can they afford to stop them for 4 hours a day? I dont think 3-2-120 or 6-2-120 will work in their favor. They may save on labor cost but if they hold up assembly plants due to lack of production they will loose.
We don't run 3 full shifts though--2nd in assy. runs less lines than 1st, they're just now starting a skeleton crew in assy on 3rd. Press room on 3rd runs less than 1st or 2nd.
emanon

United States

#17 Oct 19, 2012
I welcome FDWW, screw the other options!
Toaster

Oxford, MI

#18 Oct 19, 2012
emanon wrote:
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We don't run 3 full shifts though--2nd in assy. runs less lines than 1st, they're just now starting a skeleton crew in assy on 3rd. Press room on 3rd runs less than 1st or 2nd.
true... But we would still get more production with the current schedule. Supposedly people (hi lo in particular) keep blowing off 100% saturdays and they cant run all the lines they need. The current rumor going around is they want the local to guarantee 50/52 saturdays for 2013
Alex

Detroit, MI

#19 Nov 2, 2012
Rapter wrote:
I can't wait to see all the tier 2's on c shift lol!!!!
Most of us want the C shift!
Sack stain

United States

#20 Nov 5, 2012
I think he meant b. All tier 2's will be afternoons we'd thurs fri and sat
rick

Warren, MI

#21 Dec 27, 2012
These are portions of a letter that was generated at our plant....we had a meeting at our local. it degenerated to a shouting match. we were told by international reps that we had no voice in it, IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. By eliminating 3rd shift premium, overtime for Saturdays and paid lunch breaks it makes this an ECONOMIC REASON. We voted down the 2011 contract but were told that our vote against ratification was an ECONOMIC REASON so our vote didnt count.In closing, many view the UAW as an organization that deals in cronyism, nepotism, favoritism, manipulation, exploitation, pandering, and unethical behavior. If the UAW wants to continue to be fully supported by all of the employees, current and future, then they and you need to begin showing your members your willingness to fight for our interest. If not there are alternatives... In closing, seeing this letter in our plant, and viewing the input regarding AWS in this forum, I sincerly beleive that the UAW needs to rethink the direction they are going. My ancestors fought for a 40 hour work week, and now OUR UNION wants to let it die without a fight. How disgusting.

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