CAW / Canada Auto Talks

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coop stan

United States

#1 Sep 16, 2012
Joe

Fishers, IN

#2 Sep 17, 2012
Wow! No 2 tier system for the CAW.

Since: Apr 11

United States

#3 Sep 17, 2012
Joe wrote:
Wow! No 2 tier system for the CAW.
That's a good thing... CAW has balls!!!
MSU Sucks

Allen Park, MI

#5 Sep 17, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
To bad that's not the case, who said no tier 2 for the CAW,
Amid the tough talk, the CAW also has been sending signals that it is willing to accept a variety of concessions as long as its core principles can be preserved.

For example, the CAW remains opposed to a separate wage structure for new hires. But on Wednesday, the union told all three companies it would accept a lower starting wage for new hires and a longer path to the top wage of about $34 per hour for current workers.

"I've said all along that they are not likely to agree to a made-in-the-U.S.A. type agreement," said Kristin Dziczek, a labor economist with the Center for Automotive Research. "Instead, they will find a way to reach an agreement that maintains their principles and achieves some of the company's demands."
MSU Sucks

Allen Park, MI

#6 Sep 17, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
To bad that's not the case, who said no tier 2 for the CAW,
The union narrowed its focus to Ford Sunday after company officials expressed a willingness to reach an agreement, he told reporters Sunday, including accepting the union’s position that permanent two-tier wages are unacceptable to the CAW.

"Ford has agreed that the principle of a two-tier wage system is not something that is sustainable long-term and they've supported the union's argument that we can be flexible recognizing the economic challenges and they recognize at least on paper that the two-tier system is not something they're going to extract out of the union," Mr. Lewenza said Monday afternoon.

Both Chrysler and GM had insisted on permanent two-tier wages - similar to an agreement all three companies made with the United Auto Worker in 2011 - but the question is whether they will maintain that position in the face of a potential strike that will shut down Chrysler assembly plants in Brampton, Ont., and Windsor, Ont., and GM’s operations in Oshawa, Ont.

The three companies started out negotiations demanding that hourly labour costs be reduced at their Canadian plants, which they pointed to as having the highest such costs in the world.

The CAW disputed that, but agreed that the rise in the value of the Canadian dollar had severely harmed the competitiveness of the Canadian operations.

The union offered to cut labour costs by changing the way newly hired workers are paid. New employees now start at wages of $24 an hour and take six years to reach full wages of $34 an hour.

The CAW offered to cut that starting rate and stretch the time employees would reach full wages to 10 years.

Since: Apr 11

United States

#7 Sep 17, 2012
MSU Sucks wrote:
<quoted text>The union narrowed its focus to Ford Sunday after company officials expressed a willingness to reach an agreement, he told reporters Sunday, including accepting the unionÂ’s position that permanent two-tier wages are unacceptable to the CAW.

"Ford has agreed that the principle of a two-tier wage system is not something that is sustainable long-term and they've supported the union's argument that we can be flexible recognizing the economic challenges and they recognize at least on paper that the two-tier system is not something they're going to extract out of the union," Mr. Lewenza said Monday afternoon.

Both Chrysler and GM had insisted on permanent two-tier wages - similar to an agreement all three companies made with the United Auto Worker in 2011 - but the question is whether they will maintain that position in the face of a potential strike that will shut down Chrysler assembly plants in Brampton, Ont., and Windsor, Ont., and GMÂ’s operations in Oshawa, Ont.

The three companies started out negotiations demanding that hourly labour costs be reduced at their Canadian plants, which they pointed to as having the highest such costs in the world.

The CAW disputed that, but agreed that the rise in the value of the Canadian dollar had severely harmed the competitiveness of the Canadian operations.

The union offered to cut labour costs by changing the way newly hired workers are paid. New employees now start at wages of $24 an hour and take six years to reach full wages of $34 an hour.

The CAW offered to cut that starting rate and stretch the time employees would reach full wages to 10 years.
Couldn't have said it better... This is exactly what is going on. Sergio was correct that a two tier wage system doesn't have long term sustainability. That reality may come sooner than later. I can as a two tier applaud the fact of the union wanting to stand by their core beliefs. Says alot about the union!!!

Since: Apr 11

United States

#8 Sep 17, 2012
Just got off CAW/Ford live press conference and new hires will reach full wage after 10 years. They will keep defined pension benefits with higher contributions. They will keep COLA by getting 2K in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th year of the contract. 3K signing bonus. Wow! Good job in solidarity Canada.

Since: Apr 11

United States

#10 Sep 17, 2012
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>the UAW should learn something from the CAW, actually fight for whom you represent, just saying
I agree bro!
Alex

AOL

#12 Sep 17, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
To bad that's not the case, who said no tier 2 for the CAW,
Must be a bad day for you, huh? Nothing turned out the way you wanted it to.
The Mouse

Rockford, IL

#15 Sep 18, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
To bad that's not the case, who said no tier 2 for the CAW,
Just goes to show you...you can't believe crap that comes out of RETARDS mouth. LOL!!!!
the skidmarked undies

Chicago, IL

#16 Sep 18, 2012
As ive spoken for months...retired is an idiot. He knows nothing. Simply spews forth garbage.
The Mouse

Rockford, IL

#18 Sep 18, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
<quoted text>that's Ford's contract, Sergio is still going to get more of what he wants and then wait for your next contract when the sales slow cycle comes, Sergio will make the UAW sqweel like a pig weeeee,weeeeeeeeee,weeeeeeeeee eeeeeee,weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeee when he's done.
Backpedal your way out of the forum...LOL!!!!
The Mouse

Rockford, IL

#20 Sep 19, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
<quoted text>UAW in 2015 = weeeeee, weeeeeeeeeeee, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee , weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee
RETIRED = STILL a know nothing RETARD hehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Libolobo

Macomb, MI

#23 Sep 20, 2012
the truth wrote:
<quoted text>
sales will be up up up in 2015
They sure will. If not up then at least steady. Jeep grand Cherokee will be redesigned. There will be anew small Jeep. There will be a new Minivan, there will be possibly a jeep pickup. The jeep grand Wagoneer will be introduced for 2014. Will be an all new 100. The 200 will be redesigned. A redesigned Compass. A redesigned Avenger. Fiat 500 XL will be here next year. Every single 6 cylinder vehicle will get 9-speed transmissions. Every 8 cylinder vehicle will get 8- speed transmissions. There will be more vehicle intros by then that we don't even know about, but we're talked about last week at the conference in Vegas with the dealership owners. All these things will happen by 2015. So, there is little chance of Chrysler having bad sales. Things should be fine until about 2017. After that, the lineup may start aging a bit and you won't have many brand new vehicles. So things will slow down probably during that year.

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