Sergio plans to make Chrysler/Jeep in...

Sergio plans to make Chrysler/Jeep in Italy and export to America

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Please Read

Rockford, IL

#1 Sep 26, 2012
Please Read

Rockford, IL

#2 Sep 26, 2012
This shows that the Idled Fiat plants would start making Chryslers and Jeeps and exporting them to America with heavy tax cuts from the Italian Government.

Most of us operating in the US doesn't have a contract to protect our jobs. Please be aware that this man will soon make Chrysler a foreign car company to get the Italians back to work.
Cant say

Rockford, IL

#3 Sep 26, 2012
"We can and we must think of the car sector in Italy in a different way, refocus it, so that it becomes an important production centre for exports outside Europe," Marchionne said in a speech to workers in Turin. "In our case, that means above all the United States."
The Mouse

Belvidere, IL

#4 Sep 26, 2012
Please Read wrote:
This shows that the Idled Fiat plants would start making Chryslers and Jeeps and exporting them to America with heavy tax cuts from the Italian Government.
Most of us operating in the US doesn't have a contract to protect our jobs. Please be aware that this man will soon make Chrysler a foreign car company to get the Italians back to work.
Key phrase here..."The U.S. car market is growing, and Chrysler plants are running at full capacity." And of course, there's some RETARD saying they're going to close plants here (U.S.). I know you'll read this, so "growing" RETARD. Would you like me to draw you a picture?
Cant say

Rockford, IL

#5 Sep 26, 2012
Read between the lines. What factories close when us auto sales slump? Dick bat
The Mouse

Belvidere, IL

#6 Sep 26, 2012
Cant say wrote:
Read between the lines. What factories close when us auto sales slump? Dick bat
What are you talking about? Are you the dipsh!t RETARD posting under another name again? You just read the line dumbazz! American plants are running at full capacity! What do you not understand?
RETIRED

United States

#7 Sep 26, 2012
The Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>Key phrase here..."The U.S. car market is growing, and Chrysler plants are running at full capacity." And of course, there's some RETARD saying they're going to close plants here (U.S.). I know you'll read this, so "growing" RETARD. Would you like me to draw you a picture?
US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Mexico got the Hemi that Mack 1 should have got. Plants open in Canada or Mexico, now Italy in good times. Which ones close in bad times? Just another example of Obama sending jobs over seas. Chrysler is majority owned by Fiat that means it is already a foreign company. After Bush pissed away money on Chrysler Obama was also going to scrap Chrysler if he could not find somebody he could pay to take it.
The Mouse

Belvidere, IL

#8 Sep 26, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
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US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Mexico got the Hemi that Mack 1 should have got. Plants open in Canada or Mexico, now Italy in good times. Which ones close in bad times? Just another example of Obama sending jobs over seas. Chrysler is majority owned by Fiat that means it is already a foreign company. After Bush pissed away money on Chrysler Obama was also going to scrap Chrysler if he could not find somebody he could pay to take it.
Wow, and now you comment and (i'm guessing) didn't read the article. Let me help....
Fiat expects to lose 700 million euros ($907.37 million) in Europe this year, and Marchionne is under pressure in Italy to explain how it can keep its factories there open when car sales in the country have plunged to their lowest level in 40 years.

Fiat has effectively abandoned plans to pour 16 billion euros ($20.6 billion) into its Italian factories, putting investments on hold until it sees signs of a market rebound. It has also idled production lines in Italy and left workers at home on reduced pay for extended periods to keep a lid on costs.

Yeah, good times in Italy!
If it wasn't for Obama there wouldn't be a Chrysler! If you remember, he had a "plan" that didn't include bankruptcy. A few of the debtors didn't want to go along with the "plan". The only way to save us at that point was bankruptcy. Fiat and the Gov. became miniority owners and we get another $8 mill. I'm sure the Republicans would've done that.

"pissed away the money"?...We're still here!
RETIRED

United States

#9 Sep 26, 2012
The Mouse

Belvidere, IL

#10 Sep 26, 2012
Oh..no more Patriot or Compass HERE after Dec. '13 (i believe). Wonder why he's looking for somewhere to build Jeeps and Chryslers. I guess, you have to read between the lines.
RETIRED

United States

#11 Sep 26, 2012
The Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, and now you comment and (i'm guessing) didn't read the article. Let me help....
Fiat expects to lose 700 million euros ($907.37 million) in Europe this year, and Marchionne is under pressure in Italy to explain how it can keep its factories there open when car sales in the country have plunged to their lowest level in 40 years.

Fiat has effectively abandoned plans to pour 16 billion euros ($20.6 billion) into its Italian factories, putting investments on hold until it sees signs of a market rebound. It has also idled production lines in Italy and left workers at home on reduced pay for extended periods to keep a lid on costs.

Yeah, good times in Italy!
If it wasn't for Obama there wouldn't be a Chrysler! If you remember, he had a "plan" that didn't include bankruptcy. A few of the debtors didn't want to go along with the "plan". The only way to save us at that point was bankruptcy. Fiat and the Gov. became miniority owners and we get another $8 mill. I'm sure the Republicans would've done that.

"pissed away the money"?...We're still here!
The money Bush gave Chrysler was never paid back. It was pissed away.
It was a structured bankruptcy just like the republicans suggested.
Chrysler and money was given to Fiat with conditions right from the start.
As for you saying "without Obama there wouldn't be a Chrysler". You can't prove that, that is partisan stupid talk.
The good times are on the Chrysler side. Remember Chrysler side was suppose to be separate from the Fiat side. Ya right!! If the company is not doing good over there then they should close over there not send American work over there.
RETIRED

United States

#12 Sep 26, 2012
The Mouse wrote:
Oh..no more Patriot or Compass HERE after Dec.'13 (i believe). Wonder why he's looking for somewhere to build Jeeps and Chryslers. I guess, you have to read between the lines.
Lol!!
The Mouse

Belvidere, IL

#13 Sep 26, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
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The money Bush gave Chrysler was never paid back. It was pissed away.
It was a structured bankruptcy just like the republicans suggested.
Chrysler and money was given to Fiat with conditions right from the start.
As for you saying "without Obama there wouldn't be a Chrysler". You can't prove that, that is partisan stupid talk.
The good times are on the Chrysler side. Remember Chrysler side was suppose to be separate from the Fiat side. Ya right!! If the company is not doing good over there then they should close over there not send American work over there.
If Bush didn't give them the money at that point, Chrysler would've sunk right then and there. That was the ammount it took to get Chrysler by until the next Pres took office. If he didn't give them the money, there would've been that many more hundreds of thousands of people standing in the unemployment line (just what he didn't need...another black eye). So naaah..not really pissed away.
Chrysler side was supposed to be seperate? Yeah right! Fiat can acquire an additional 15% on top of it's original 20% when "goals" are met. Fiat can take majority ownership when loans are paid back. And the real kicker to the deal? Nardelli & LaSorda step down and Serg takes over. Seperate? Sounds like a takeover to me.
Of course I can't prove it, but it's for certain that Republican leaders opposed Bush's loan...pretty sure we would've been doomed!
And send their work to here? Where? He's bulldozed all of our idled plants!! They're not doing good there because nobody's buying cars there. They wouldn't be building the cars for THERE...they'd be coming HERE!
RETIRED

United States

#14 Sep 26, 2012
The Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>If Bush didn't give them the money at that point, Chrysler would've sunk right then and there. That was the ammount it took to get Chrysler by until the next Pres took office. If he didn't give them the money, there would've been that many more hundreds of thousands of people standing in the unemployment line (just what he didn't need...another black eye). So naaah..not really pissed away.
Chrysler side was supposed to be seperate? Yeah right! Fiat can acquire an additional 15% on top of it's original 20% when "goals" are met. Fiat can take majority ownership when loans are paid back. And the real kicker to the deal? Nardelli & LaSorda step down and Serg takes over. Seperate? Sounds like a takeover to me.
Of course I can't prove it, but it's for certain that Republican leaders opposed Bush's loan...pretty sure we would've been doomed!
And send their work to here? Where? He's bulldozed all of our idled plants!! They're not doing good there because nobody's buying cars there. They wouldn't be building the cars for THERE...they'd be coming HERE!
So you are saying Bush saved Chrysler and if it were not for him and the Republicans there would be no Chrysler.
You are also telling me that Obama forced a take over of Chrysler.
Obama has bulldozed all the idle plants? Sterling assembly and Mack 1 are still standing.
Yes very good the products being built over there would be sent over here(American jobs). You just need to learn one more thing. There quality sucks worse then Chrysler, they should not be teaching Chrysler how to improve quality. They have products that are not selling. They should close those plants. That is overhead costs. Chrysler should make product where they sell product. Not half way around the world.
Bub

Toledo, OH

#19 Sep 27, 2012
Please Read wrote:
This shows that the Idled Fiat plants would start making Chryslers and Jeeps and exporting them to America with heavy tax cuts from the Italian Government.
Most of us operating in the US doesn't have a contract to protect our jobs. Please be aware that this man will soon make Chrysler a foreign car company to get the Italians back to work.
This is what i fear, when Fiat buys the veba trust shares.
Bub

Toledo, OH

#20 Sep 27, 2012
Bub wrote:
<quoted text> This is what i fear, when Fiat buys the veba trust shares.
You can bet that Italy is near, and dear to Sergio,s heart, so in some way, shape, or form, they will take from Chrysler eventually, to prop up Fiat, in Italy.
The Mouse

Belvidere, IL

#21 Sep 27, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
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So you are saying Bush saved Chrysler and if it were not for him and the Republicans there would be no Chrysler.
You are also telling me that Obama forced a take over of Chrysler.
Obama has bulldozed all the idle plants? Sterling assembly and Mack 1 are still standing.
Yes very good the products being built over there would be sent over here(American jobs). You just need to learn one more thing. There quality sucks worse then Chrysler, they should not be teaching Chrysler how to improve quality. They have products that are not selling. They should close those plants. That is overhead costs. Chrysler should make product where they sell product. Not half way around the world.
Where did I say Bush saved Chrysler? Nice attempt, but I said Bush bought himself time to get out of office so that he wouldn't have to deal with it.
SHAP is idle? I don't think so! They make the Avenger and 200. Are you talking about the Mack engine plant? It's not an assembly plant. Do you even work for Chrysler?
And no, I said Obama had a "plan" that would've saved Chrysler, but a few of the debtors wouldn't go along with the "plan". The only way to save Chrysler was to force them into a structured bankruptcy and a buyer was needed. Why does it feel like i'm repeating myself? No need to take things out of context when it's in black and white and here to read over and over again?
Serg choosing to build vehicles there? Unfortunately, we don't have much say in that.
I never said Obama bulldozed plants...the Serg did!!
If you want someone to talk to about plants operating 4,000 miles away from Detroit, hit-up the RETARD from Kenosha...he'll dance around the subject for you.
RETIRED

United States

#22 Sep 27, 2012
The Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>Where did I say Bush saved Chrysler? Nice attempt, but I said Bush bought himself time to get out of office so that he wouldn't have to deal with it.
SHAP is idle? I don't think so! They make the Avenger and 200. Are you talking about the Mack engine plant? It's not an assembly plant. Do you even work for Chrysler?
And no, I said Obama had a "plan" that would've saved Chrysler, but a few of the debtors wouldn't go along with the "plan". The only way to save Chrysler was to force them into a structured bankruptcy and a buyer was needed. Why does it feel like i'm repeating myself? No need to take things out of context when it's in black and white and here to read over and over again?
Serg choosing to build vehicles there? Unfortunately, we don't have much say in that.
I never said Obama bulldozed plants...the Serg did!!
If you want someone to talk to about plants operating 4,000 miles away from Detroit, hit-up the RETARD from Kenosha...he'll dance around the subject for you.
"Chrysler would've sunk right then and there". But bush gave the money and Chrysler didn't.
Chrysler owns the assembly plants and engine plants. I was talking American jobs. You really are gullible, If they build cars over there don't you think that they would need engines for those cars? Fiat needs to keep those engine plants going too don't they? SHAP was going to close, the viper plant was going to close also along with talk of Mack 1&2. Wonder where all that work would have went and how the taxpayer would have felt about it.
Obama had a plan... Lol!! Please tell us what that plan was. He was also going to pay off half the national debt and increase instead more than any other President in history. He also was going to bring the unemployment rate down below 5%. He also was going to make the world love us. He also had shovel ready jobs that weren't so shovel ready. He also appointed a job czar that sent jobs overseas and let him get away with paying no taxes for 2011. Let's just be honest. You don't care about American jobs being shipped overseas as long as it's a Democrat that does it and you drink lots of Kool-Aid. Location does matter, so does taxes and tax deductions.
The Mouse

Belvidere, IL

#23 Sep 27, 2012
RETIRED wrote:
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"Chrysler would've sunk right then and there". But bush gave the money and Chrysler didn't.
Chrysler owns the assembly plants and engine plants. I was talking American jobs. You really are gullible, If they build cars over there don't you think that they would need engines for those cars? Fiat needs to keep those engine plants going too don't they? SHAP was going to close, the viper plant was going to close also along with talk of Mack 1&2. Wonder where all that work would have went and how the taxpayer would have felt about it.
Obama had a plan... Lol!! Please tell us what that plan was. He was also going to pay off half the national debt and increase instead more than any other President in history. He also was going to bring the unemployment rate down below 5%. He also was going to make the world love us. He also had shovel ready jobs that weren't so shovel ready. He also appointed a job czar that sent jobs overseas and let him get away with paying no taxes for 2011. Let's just be honest. You don't care about American jobs being shipped overseas as long as it's a Democrat that does it and you drink lots of Kool-Aid. Location does matter, so does taxes and tax deductions.
I'm not going to explain the WHOLE "plan" to you. However, 3 debtors would not accept .28 or .38 cents (i forget what it was exactly) to the dollar that was owed to them. The "plan" wouldn't and could not have happened without their approval.
AGAIN..Bush gave JUST enough money to keep them afloat until he was gone!! In other words, he gave them CPR until the paramedics arrived.
AGAIN..You say "WAS going to close". WAS..Not IS!! Say the Serg decides to keep something LIKE the Compass or the Patriot around. Dec.'13..not anymore at BAP. Where does he place this vehicle then? Nowhere in the U.S.! I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying..
I'm not going any further in politics with you. Obama took over a country in a tailspin thanks to the previous dipsh!t.
RETIRED

United States

#24 Sep 27, 2012
The Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not going to explain the WHOLE "plan" to you. However, 3 debtors would not accept .28 or .38 cents (i forget what it was exactly) to the dollar that was owed to them. The "plan" wouldn't and could not have happened without their approval.
AGAIN..Bush gave JUST enough money to keep them afloat until he was gone!! In other words, he gave them CPR until the paramedics arrived.
AGAIN..You say "WAS going to close". WAS..Not IS!! Say the Serg decides to keep something LIKE the Compass or the Patriot around. Dec.'13..not anymore at BAP. Where does he place this vehicle then? Nowhere in the U.S.! I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying..
I'm not going any further in politics with you. Obama took over a country in a tailspin thanks to the previous dipsh!t.
Reagan took over a bigger tailspin than Obama and had much better and faster results. Just look at the interest rates and inflation at that time. I figured you could not go into any such detail. That's ok because even Obama decided transparency gets you nowhere. Again when you need CPR and don't get it you die. "Was going to close". "Was" is still what they planed to do at that time. Bush had his problems but Obama is turning out to be the dipsh!t lier. Wonder why he is not saying Osama is dead and GM is alive anymore. Funny he did not mention Chrysler in that phrase, could it be because Chrysler is foreign now? It's ok you don't have to answer. Just mellow out on the Kool-Aid.

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