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Since: Apr 12

Kokomo, IN

#1 Apr 29, 2012
Congratulations to the UAW

In light of the new AWS schedule that is being implemented at the local Chrysler plants, it sparked a desire for me to do some research. In 1836, Boston shipyard carpenters achieved an 8 hour work day. On May 1, 1886 the Knights of Labor, 80,000 people strong, marched in Chicago in support of an 8 hour work day. On January 5, 1914, the Ford Motor Company took the radical step of doubling pay to $5 a day and cut shifts from nine hours to eight, moves that were not popular with rival companies, although seeing the increase in Ford's productivity, and a significant increase in profit margin (from $30 million to $60 million in two years), most soon followed suit. The primary goal of any company, no matter what they produce is to make money, plain and simple. Their goal is to achieve the highest profit with the least amount of cost to achieve it, period. The goal of any union is to represent their union dues paying members and protect their rights. Chrysler has succeeded in doing their job, the UAW has failed miserably. Chrysler UAW’s head General Holyfield states he will not go before the executive committee about AWS because it insures the UAW approximately 2000 new union dues being paid per month. Since when do we put the prospect of future union dues above and beyond the desires of the current membership? We are told on a local level, that Chrysler will not guarantee future work for our local plants if we do not accept the terms of AWS. When has anyone, anywhere, in any profession been “guaranteed” future work? Chrysler played this same tactic with the plant in New Castle. The New Castle membership complied with Chrysler’s demands only to have their plant sold and closed just months afterwards. The old saying that you got to stand for something or you will fall for anything applies here. The same day that a newspaper article quoting our local president as saying nothing was settled about AWS, posters were placed inside the plant stating it would be implemented on May 7th. Is this how a “represented” membership should be treated? It makes one wonder, is it worth the cost of not seeing your kids grow up to receive what the UAW states is a decent paying wage? Does it bother any other member that the UAW constitution protects upper officials from being removed from office? It takes almost an act of God to remove them from office. In closing, I would like to congratulate the UAW leadership for setting the American auto worker back 98 years all for the greed of future revenue. You must be so proud. Now it’s time to get that resume ready.
Damage Control

United States

#2 Apr 29, 2012
Chryler trannyman wrote:
Congratulations to the UAW
In light of the new AWS schedule that is being implemented at the local Chrysler plants, it sparked a desire for me to do some research. In 1836, Boston shipyard carpenters achieved an 8 hour work day. On May 1, 1886 the Knights of Labor, 80,000 people strong, marched in Chicago in support of an 8 hour work day. On January 5, 1914, the Ford Motor Company took the radical step of doubling pay to $5 a day and cut shifts from nine hours to eight, moves that were not popular with rival companies, although seeing the increase in Ford's productivity, and a significant increase in profit margin (from $30 million to $60 million in two years), most soon followed suit. The primary goal of any company, no matter what they produce is to make money, plain and simple. Their goal is to achieve the highest profit with the least amount of cost to achieve it, period. The goal of any union is to represent their union dues paying members and protect their rights. Chrysler has succeeded in doing their job, the UAW has failed miserably. Chrysler UAW’s head General Holyfield states he will not go before the executive committee about AWS because it insures the UAW approximately 2000 new union dues being paid per month. Since when do we put the prospect of future union dues above and beyond the desires of the current membership? We are told on a local level, that Chrysler will not guarantee future work for our local plants if we do not accept the terms of AWS. When has anyone, anywhere, in any profession been “guaranteed” future work? Chrysler played this same tactic with the plant in New Castle. The New Castle membership complied with Chrysler’s demands only to have their plant sold and closed just months afterwards. The old saying that you got to stand for something or you will fall for anything applies here. The same day that a newspaper article quoting our local president as saying nothing was settled about AWS, posters were placed inside the plant stating it would be implemented on May 7th. Is this how a “represented” membership should be treated? It makes one wonder, is it worth the cost of not seeing your kids grow up to receive what the UAW states is a decent paying wage? Does it bother any other member that the UAW constitution protects upper officials from being removed from office? It takes almost an act of God to remove them from office. In closing, I would like to congratulate the UAW leadership for setting the American auto worker back 98 years all for the greed of future revenue. You must be so proud. Now it’s time to get that resume ready.
...very good post, a lot of historical info...unfortunately, the company has us competing against each other for work, while pressuring wages downward due to free trade imports...

...central europe(our standard) has battled eastern europe and china(mexico wages) over reduced wages...now losing ground to india and morocco(new industial gateway into africa for pennies on the dollar)...our threats are real, not just local, but world-wide...
charles

Naperville, IL

#3 Apr 29, 2012
Damage Control there is some fact to what you post but the real treat is from the republican party trying to take us back to the Bush era. The want to go back to the stock market economy.Were big banks control things like they did before. When they figured out they could just control the market and make money with money they do not need any manufacturing.That is why they shiped all the jobs overseas.They just needed the rich and poor no middle class.But the rich can not control themself and they wanted it all.They not only want to be rich thay also want to make you poor at the same time. Money and power go together. They had a dream to get rid of GM & Chrysler and the UAW.
Damage Control

United States

#4 Apr 29, 2012
charles wrote:
Damage Control there is some fact to what you post but the real treat is from the republican party trying to take us back to the Bush era. The want to go back to the stock market economy.Were big banks control things like they did before. When they figured out they could just control the market and make money with money they do not need any manufacturing.That is why they shiped all the jobs overseas.They just needed the rich and poor no middle class.But the rich can not control themself and they wanted it all.They not only want to be rich thay also want to make you poor at the same time. Money and power go together. They had a dream to get rid of GM & Chrysler and the UAW.
...yes, and some of our own members want to get rid of the UAW...even this Chuck, if you will go back to some of his posts on other threads...what do you suggest to get membership back functioning together since we are so fragmented in thought and direction?...
Chuck

United States

#5 Apr 29, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...yes, and some of our own members want to get rid of the UAW...even this Chuck, if you will go back to some of his posts on other threads...what do you suggest to get membership back functioning together since we are so fragmented in thought and direction?...
Quit pissin and whining you act like a two year old so fos and smelly. Your the one who wants to dump the uaw and side with management. Especially this a**hole named Harlow. I brought facts and you only want to bring malcontent. Little wuss.
Damage Control

United States

#6 Apr 29, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text> Quit pissin and whining you act like a two year old so fos and smelly. Your the one who wants to dump the uaw and side with management. Especially this a**hole named Harlow. I brought facts and you only want to bring malcontent. Little wuss.
...calling people liars, doing your share of whinning and fussing, encouraging people to not pay dues....you are part of the problem, not the solution...you didn't bring shit here...but you can bring it to the next union meeting...
Chuck

United States

#7 Apr 29, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...calling people liars, doing your share of whinning and fussing, encouraging people to not pay dues....you are part of the problem, not the solution...you didn't bring shit here...but you can bring it to the next union meeting...
Still pissin and whining I see. Your post is FOS just like you.
Chuck

United States

#8 Apr 29, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...calling people liars, doing your share of whinning and fussing, encouraging people to not pay dues....you are part of the problem, not the solution...you didn't bring shit here...but you can bring it to the next union meeting...
Only one I called a liar is Harlow. Never encouraged anyone to quit paying dues. It seems you are the problem just because I don't care to much for your buddy Harlow. You stated you didn't want to get in a pissin match but you keep on pissing. Tells me a lot about your demeanor. Save your money because your gonna need it in the long run. Be a solution and not part of the problem. I still think you have to do something with management. I'm done arguing with you. You seem to get pissed when someone disagrees with you. Every time you piss you seem to piss all over yourself like a little puppy does. I wont respond to you on this subject anymore. Oh I do pay my dues and will continue to. But there will be a few who will stop paying them and once 1 does it, it may have a snowball effect and more will follow, just the facts. Just will not take the word of what the UAW tells me about what to do. Especially when it comes to the contract. I will vote what is put down on paper. Besides I will enjoy my 3 day weekends begrudgingly because it will effect a lot of the younger seniority workers who have kids. And your buddy Harlow said he was doing it for the families. BS and Lies.
Damage Control

United States

#9 Apr 29, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text> Only one I called a liar is Harlow. Never encouraged anyone to quit paying dues. It seems you the problem just because I don't care to much for your buddy Harlow. You stated you didn't want to get in a pissin match but you keep on pissing. Tells me a lot about your demeanor. Save your money because your gonna need it in the long run. Be a solution and not part of the problem. I still think you have to do something with management. I'm done arguing with you. You seem to get pissed when someone disagrees with you. Every time you piss you seem to piss all over yourself like a little puppy does. I wont respond to you on this subject anymore. Oh I do pay my dues and will continue to. But there will be a few who will stop paying them and once 1 does it, it may have a snowball effect and more will follow, just the facts. Just will not take the word of what the UAW tells me about what to do. Especially when it comes to the contract. I will vote what is put down on paper. Besides I will enjoy my 3 day weekends begrudgingly because it will effect a lot of the younger seniority workers who have kids. And your buddy Harlow said he was doing it for the families. BS and Lies.
...your words, not mine...

Chuck
Waterford, MI
#6 Friday Apr 20

"off with their heads! lol
They are all appointees and there is nothing you will ever be able to do about it, short of d-certifying the union or becoming RTW. I prefer the later on the grounds that it puts the power of our pocketbooks right back where it belongs. Currently they are unaccountable and could really give two squirts about what the concerns of the membership are. As long as they look after a few key relatives of who is who, they know that is all they need to concern themselves with, and the rest of the membership for all intensive purposes works for them, not the other way around like it is supposed to be. I firmly believe in paying for good representation, but that is not what we have or have had for a long time, unless you are one of the chosen. Stop paying for bad service however, and you will see some changes. After all, regardless of how twisted their thinking is, they work for us. They should be held accountable, and giving us the option to pay them makes them accountable. We all bitch about rewarding bad behavior, yet this continues to go on from the top right on down. I firmly believe that the union would either reform itself, or cease to exist. Self preservation would force the changes that are necessary. They aren't that stupid. In fact they are so against RTW because they know they would b e forced to turn on each other, and many would be out of their corrupt careers of screwing over dues paying membership with seniority to take care of yet another Gooden, Mitchel, Davis. We would stop paying and rewarding bad behavior until we had the union we all deserve"
Chuck

United States

#10 Apr 29, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...your words, not mine...
Chuck
Waterford, MI
#6 Friday Apr 20
"off with their heads! lol
They are all appointees and there is nothing you will ever be able to do about it, short of d-certifying the union or becoming RTW. I prefer the later on the grounds that it puts the power of our pocketbooks right back where it belongs. Currently they are unaccountable and could really give two squirts about what the concerns of the membership are. As long as they look after a few key relatives of who is who, they know that is all they need to concern themselves with, and the rest of the membership for all intensive purposes works for them, not the other way around like it is supposed to be. I firmly believe in paying for good representation, but that is not what we have or have had for a long time, unless you are one of the chosen. Stop paying for bad service however, and you will see some changes. After all, regardless of how twisted their thinking is, they work for us. They should be held accountable, and giving us the option to pay them makes them accountable. We all bitch about rewarding bad behavior, yet this continues to go on from the top right on down. I firmly believe that the union would either reform itself, or cease to exist. Self preservation would force the changes that are necessary. They aren't that stupid. In fact they are so against RTW because they know they would b e forced to turn on each other, and many would be out of their corrupt careers of screwing over dues paying membership with seniority to take care of yet another Gooden, Mitchel, Davis. We would stop paying and rewarding bad behavior until we had the union we all deserve"
LMAO! That is not me. But if you want to believe it is, that is ok with me. I wish I could put sentences and puntuate the this Chuck can though. That is about it. LOL!

Since: Apr 12

Kokomo, IN

#12 Apr 30, 2012
charles wrote:
Damage Control there is some fact to what you post but the real treat is from the republican party trying to take us back to the Bush era. The want to go back to the stock market economy.Were big banks control things like they did before. When they figured out they could just control the market and make money with money they do not need any manufacturing.That is why they shiped all the jobs overseas.They just needed the rich and poor no middle class.But the rich can not control themself and they wanted it all.They not only want to be rich thay also want to make you poor at the same time. Money and power go together. They had a dream to get rid of GM & Chrysler and the UAW.
excellent points! I'm neither Dem. or Rep. I stay independent and choose on what I feel is best for the country. I do know though it was the Obama's Auto Task Force that imposed the "no strike" clause apon us.. It was the Clinton administration that signed NAFTA into effect. My big beef is with the International. They stood before our local on a Wednesday and pleaded "brothers and Sisters, if we do not take the concessions layed before us Chrysler will file bankrupty and be liquidated.. the final vote tally came in about 7pm that night....the very next morning about 8am Chrysler filed for bankrupty anyways..It might sound sinical...but to me that looks like someone is sleeping in someone elses bed.......
Jeff

Davisburg, MI

#13 May 1, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...your words, not mine...
Chuck
Waterford, MI
#6 Friday Apr 20
"off with their heads! lol
They are all appointees and there is nothing you will ever be able to do about it, short of d-certifying the union or becoming RTW. I prefer the later on the grounds that it puts the power of our pocketbooks right back where it belongs. Currently they are unaccountable and could really give two squirts about what the concerns of the membership are. As long as they look after a few key relatives of who is who, they know that is all they need to concern themselves with, and the rest of the membership for all intensive purposes works for them, not the other way around like it is supposed to be. I firmly believe in paying for good representation, but that is not what we have or have had for a long time, unless you are one of the chosen. Stop paying for bad service however, and you will see some changes. After all, regardless of how twisted their thinking is, they work for us. They should be held accountable, and giving us the option to pay them makes them accountable. We all bitch about rewarding bad behavior, yet this continues to go on from the top right on down. I firmly believe that the union would either reform itself, or cease to exist. Self preservation would force the changes that are necessary. They aren't that stupid. In fact they are so against RTW because they know they would b e forced to turn on each other, and many would be out of their corrupt careers of screwing over dues paying membership with seniority to take care of yet another Gooden, Mitchel, Davis. We would stop paying and rewarding bad behavior until we had the union we all deserve"
Sad but true!
Damage Control

United States

#14 May 1, 2012
Chryler trannyman wrote:
<quoted text>excellent points! I'm neither Dem. or Rep. I stay independent and choose on what I feel is best for the country. I do know though it was the Obama's Auto Task Force that imposed the "no strike" clause apon us.. It was the Clinton administration that signed NAFTA into effect. My big beef is with the International. They stood before our local on a Wednesday and pleaded "brothers and Sisters, if we do not take the concessions layed before us Chrysler will file bankrupty and be liquidated.. the final vote tally came in about 7pm that night....the very next morning about 8am Chrysler filed for bankrupty anyways..It might sound sinical...but to me that looks like someone is sleeping in someone elses bed.......
...bankruptcy recaps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_bankrup...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chrys...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_State_Po...

...we were the first to take cuts, to show we were willing to make this work....pre-bankruptcy...that is, that this would be a special bankruptcy and not a total liquidation...and we were the first that were required to make concessions, had we not, the outcome would have been very different...

...and the very important bankruptcy code 363...Mourdock was offered a sum for investors, but he declined and Chrysler was able to convey intent to Fiat pre-bankruptcy assets...

http://www.bankruptcylitigationblog.com/archi...
gonzo

United States

#15 May 3, 2012
really, wikipedia as a credible source of information is the best you could come up with.
Damage Control

United States

#16 May 4, 2012
gonzo wrote:
really, wikipedia as a credible source of information is the best you could come up with.
...yes...was there anything in the above information from wiki that you found to be incorrect?...did you even study it?...it's a recap to refresh...
Chuck

United States

#17 May 4, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...your words, not mine...
Chuck
Waterford, MI
#6 Friday Apr 20
"off with their heads! lol
They are all appointees and there is nothing you will ever be able to do about it, short of d-certifying the union or becoming RTW. I prefer the later on the grounds that it puts the power of our pocketbooks right back where it belongs. Currently they are unaccountable and could really give two squirts about what the concerns of the membership are. As long as they look after a few key relatives of who is who, they know that is all they need to concern themselves with, and the rest of the membership for all intensive purposes works for them, not the other way around like it is supposed to be. I firmly believe in paying for good representation, but that is not what we have or have had for a long time, unless you are one of the chosen. Stop paying for bad service however, and you will see some changes. After all, regardless of how twisted their thinking is, they work for us. They should be held accountable, and giving us the option to pay them makes them accountable. We all bitch about rewarding bad behavior, yet this continues to go on from the top right on down. I firmly believe that the union would either reform itself, or cease to exist. Self preservation would force the changes that are necessary. They aren't that stupid. In fact they are so against RTW because they know they would b e forced to turn on each other, and many would be out of their corrupt careers of screwing over dues paying membership with seniority to take care of yet another Gooden, Mitchel, Davis. We would stop paying and rewarding bad behavior until we had the union we all deserve"
Actually he does have some valid points. Even though I did not write it. I can agree with a lot he says. More so than you.
Damage Control

Indiana, PA

#18 May 5, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text> Actually he does have some valid points. Even though I did not write it. I can agree with a lot he says. More so than you.
...and I did NOT say I disagree with all that he stated, only that I don't think it's right to withold dues...I do think that there needs to be reform in the election process to include those at the International...
Chuck

United States

#19 May 5, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...and I did NOT say I disagree with all that he stated, only that I don't think it's right to withold dues...I do think that there needs to be reform in the election process to include those at the International...
And how do you plan on doing that. Take a vote? LOL!
Damage Control

United States

#20 May 5, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text> And how do you plan on doing that. Take a vote? LOL!
...I honestly don't know...it's like how do you reform government?...
Chuck

Waterford, MI

#21 May 7, 2012
Damage Control wrote:
<quoted text>
...I honestly don't know...it's like how do you reform government?...
You take away their excesses, golden parachutes, put them on the same social security and medical that everyone else has, impose real finance reform, combined with lobby reform and term limits to ensure that the levels of corruption we see today, are are thing of the past. Checks and balances people. It's something the UAW doesn't have, nor Congress. Crooked Republics never represent their constituents. They are in it for themselves, families and cronies. They do everything in their power to by-pass democracy. The power of the pocketbook rules supreme. Why do you think Congress is as corrupt as it is. We really do have the best government money can buy. The problem is that we are not the ones buying it. Our career puppets of politicians are bought and paid for by Lobbyist, special interest groups, and more often than not lately, Foreign Nationalist hiding behind Sovereign Wealth Funds. Their interest are often the direct opposite of what is in the best interest of the United States and more often than not conflict with anything good for Main Street. In fact Just about anything good for Wall Street these days is bad for Main Street. Share Holders in other countries, could give two squirts about what happens here in your communities, and no longer feel compelled as did independent businessmen to be good stewards of their communities by giving back to those areas, and taking care of their workers. The working man has become nothing more than a liability, more times than not, better off replaced by automation. Robots do not have rights, and show up for work every day.
As for our corrupt Union, I stand by what I stated previously. I do not tip for bad service when I go out to eat, but wind up tipping almost always, because they know in advance that their tips depend upon good service and consequently they deliver accordingly. do you really think we have a Union that works for us, when our votes do not count? The sham, we all witnessed last Fall, over a Contract that many of us know did not really pass, proves one thing. They are going to do what ever they want regardless of our position, and will lie steal and cheat in order to make it happen. When challenged based on the Constitution, their justification for over riding our votes was based on a decision that they reached, based on what they felt, from reading Twitter! That was the official press release! What a crock! If that doesn't tell you all you need to know then there is little hope appealing to your senses.

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