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Bill

AOL

#1 Feb 7, 2010
Chrysler has 90 retired people making full pay and drawing pensions since July 2009. They were supposed to hire temporary workers at lower wage. Union and company must have made a deal, people who didn't take buyout are PISSED OFF.
blah blah blah

United States

#2 Feb 7, 2010
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Good for them, they found another job besides K-Mart.
Bill WAP

Windsor, Canada

#3 Feb 7, 2010
Bill wrote:
Chrysler has 90 retired people making full pay and drawing pensions since July 2009. They were supposed to hire temporary workers at lower wage. Union and company must have made a deal, people who didn't take buyout are PISSED OFF.
I thought you stated that you worked at WAP; How do you know so much at Kenosha?
Zzzzz

Houston, TX

#4 Feb 7, 2010
Remember only WTAP people know everything,everyone else knows nothing.
Jim

AOL

#5 Feb 7, 2010
don't know why buyouts where offered if they don't use the oppartunity to use temporary workers at 14.00hr.pisspour management again
Damage Control

United States

#6 Feb 7, 2010
Part I

Published February 5, 2010 | 11:30 p.m.

Engine workers in uproar
Return of highly paid retirees over temps called unfair
BY JOHN KREROWICZ
[email protected]

Bill Glembocki looked around as he worked at the Chrysler Kenosha Engine Plant and couldn’t make sense of the economics.
Here’s a company, he realized, that came out of bankruptcy last year and then brought in dozens of Chrysler retirees the past several months, ostensibly to bring their advanced skills to teach others to produce quality products, only to have them do non-skilled, repetitive labor.
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“What company in its right mind would do this when this is work you could teach a first-grader to do?” Glembocki wondered.
He’s not the only one wondering about the answer.
Employees are upset
Other Chrysler employees at the plant are mad because the automaker is using the retirees at their previous rate of $28 per hour plus overtime when temporary employees could do the work at half that, about $14 an hour.
They’re mad because there are about 8,700 Kenosha County unemployed people, some of whom are their friends or relatives, who could use the work.
Chrysler officials in Detroit declined to comment. Glenn Stark, president of United Auto Workers Local 72, representing the plant’s workers, and UAW International officials did not return calls for comment.
Stark told the Kenosha News in December there was a safety issue in hiring experienced retirees versus bringing in people unfamiliar with the plant’s complex equipment. He also said retirees would be rehired to teach temporary employees to do intricate, skilled work in January.
Damage Control

United States

#7 Feb 7, 2010
Part II

Some just ‘cleaning’
Brian Wade, a company inspector/functional auditor with 31 years of seniority, said he was surprised to see retirees doing routine cleaning. He recalled officials from Fiat, Chrysler’s new parent company, touring the building and not liking how dirty it was. Chrysler then had the retirees wiping down the equipment for about a month, he said.
“It was a squirt bottle in one hand and a rag in another,” said Wade, who said he was on the Local 72 Election Commmittee.
Some of the retirees have filled in when workers use the bathroom or call in sick, Wade said.
Anger aimed at company
The upset employees all said they had nothing against the retirees. Their problem was with the company hiring former workers, many of whom last year took buyouts that included a $50,000 payment and a $25,000 car voucher and already were paid $36,000 annual pensions, rather than bring on people scrambling to feed their families and avoid foreclosure on their homes.
Joe DeSoto, a forklift truck operator and Chrysler employee for 30 years, said workers reopened their contract, took concessions and agreed that the company could hire cheaper temporary workers to receive government stimulus money last year when the automaker was floundering.
“The president wants to create jobs, but Chrysler isn’t creating jobs,” DeSoto said.“They’re just bringing back former workers.”
Damage Control

United States

#8 Feb 7, 2010
Part III

120 at one time
Wade said workers were told in June that retirees would be brought in for 90 days to train temporary workers for advanced jobs. About half of the 120 retirees were let go after teaching employees to do work not considered skilled, he said. The other 60 continued to do unskilled work, he said.
Sixty retirees working 29 weeks starting July 1 would have been paid about $1.95 million, based on the workers’ estimates. Temporary employees would have been paid half that, said Glembocki, Wheatland town chairman and owner of Glembocki Cement.
Glembocki said spending the extra money for retirees conflicted with plant management’s comments in a recent company newsletter. That letter said Chrysler wants to cut the Kenosha factory budget by 8 percent, or $7.1 million, and still has to find $2.2 million of that.
He said officials of Local 72 indicated at January’s monthly meeting there were 89 retirees working at the plant at that time.
Some temps were hired
About 30 temporary workers were brought in during January, DeSoto said. He said that happened after he and Glembocki complained to the company and the union.
One disgruntled worker, who requested anonymity, suggested that part of the reason Chrysler hired retirees was that it provided a better chance at producing a quality product than risking use of unknown employees for the relatively short period the plant would be open. Chrysler’s April 30 bankruptcy petition noted the Kenosha plant would close in fall 2010.
The theory was that the quality products might entice Fiat to consider keeping the plant open.
Wade said some temporary hires in fact quit after working a few days.
But Wade also said those reasons don’t justify paying retirees twice the temp rate.
Damage Control

United States

#9 Feb 7, 2010
I think big do-da going to hit the proverbial rotational-oscilating fan over this.
WeaserGB

Green Bay, WI

#10 Feb 7, 2010
No wonder the general public has had it with Chrysler and the way it is run. Anything in Kenosha is temperary anyway.
Angry

AOL

#11 Feb 7, 2010
Damage Control wrote:
I think big do-da going to hit the proverbial rotational-oscilating fan over this.
I hope the plant manager gets FIRED and the LOCAL UNION PRESIDENT gets recalled
Damage Control

United States

#12 Feb 7, 2010
Yes, something on a new thead that nobody has made much comment on...something about a (another) BIG executive shake up in the company...in a few (?) days.
Dodgeman

AOL

#13 Feb 7, 2010
Damage Control wrote:
Yes, something on a new thead that nobody has made much comment on...something about a (another) BIG executive shake up in the company...in a few (?) days.
You think this has something to do with Kenosha? Sounded more like a corporate shakeup.
Dodgeman

AOL

#14 Feb 7, 2010
Just read on Allpar the major shakeup was in Dealer Relations, effective immediately.
ginger

AOL

#15 Feb 7, 2010
goud bless the retiree's
Damage Control

United States

#16 Feb 7, 2010
Dodgeman wrote:
Just read on Allpar the major shakeup was in Dealer Relations, effective immediately.
Hey Dodgeman, thanks for the update. I did read it with intrest. Lots of fires Fiat is having to deal with. I hope Fiat gets some more mgt. deadwood removed, so the good ones can do their job.
ANGRY

AOL

#17 Feb 8, 2010
Some of these retirees are on their same jobs even though someone bid on that job. So really they are not needed. What a waste of money
charles

AOL

#18 Feb 8, 2010
Bill wrote:
Chrysler has 90 retired people making full pay and drawing pensions since July 2009. They were supposed to hire temporary workers at lower wage. Union and company must have made a deal, people who didn't take buyout are PISSED OFF.
I do not blame them for being mad, everyone that is eligable should retire and get out of the way or they should just die off.
guess who

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#19 Feb 8, 2010
charles wrote:
<quoted text> I do not blame them for being mad, everyone that is eligable should retire and get out of the way or they should just die off.
What a hateful, selfish, inmature, thing to say about a union brother.
SuperMarioIII

Milwaukee, WI

#20 Feb 8, 2010
They've been rehiring retirees because the temps they tried to hire don't show and/or can't pass the drug test. Management is still stringing them along letting them think they have a chance to get another product there. Ain't happening folks! They just want to build out the 2.7 and 3.5 engines before the Pentastar comes online. Then, bye bye blackbird! Your international union is turning a blind eye to what's been going on at KEP. All they care about is collecting dues as long as they can. All the company cares about is getting their engines stored up for the transition.

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