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angry

United States

#1 Dec 3, 2010
Let's all picket against plant seniority! That's the only way we will be heard! It is not right after paying union dues 20 plus years that I get treated like the bottom feeder! I am so tired of being disrespected!
Shapper

Washington, DC

#2 Dec 3, 2010
I just got hired in,and after 20years you think the union has power? Ha ha ha,you high senority people kill me. UAW is useless.

Since: May 09

Belvidere, IL

#3 Dec 3, 2010
angry wrote:
Let's all picket against plant seniority! That's the only way we will be heard! It is not right after paying union dues 20 plus years that I get treated like the bottom feeder! I am so tired of being disrespected!
Did you just get to BAP??? If so that is how they treat everybody from any other plant that comes here.
plant seniority man

Santa Clara, CA

#4 Dec 4, 2010
suffer. plant seniority will always rule at Chrysler. do you actually think union locals will even bring up eliminating plant seniority when the members who voted them in benefit from it. be realistic and stop being a wishful thinker, and if your still not grateful for even having a job; TAKE THE BUYOUT.
angry

United States

#5 Dec 4, 2010
plant seniority man wrote:
suffer. plant seniority will always rule at Chrysler. do you actually think union locals will even bring up eliminating plant seniority when the members who voted them in benefit from it. be realistic and stop being a wishful thinker, and if your still not grateful for even having a job; TAKE THE BUYOUT.
Hey, in case u don't know the UAW can't stand constant complaints and whining from numerous members of it's membership about the same complaint. Therefore, they will take into consideration what is going on with the issue at hand and will figure out how to make the Seniority employees happy and to draw in more members. Happy members mean an increase in membership when the outsiders see how fair the UAW is to their members.
angry

United States

#6 Dec 4, 2010
plant seniority man wrote:
suffer. plant seniority will always rule at Chrysler. do you actually think union locals will even bring up eliminating plant seniority when the members who voted them in benefit from it. be realistic and stop being a wishful thinker, and if your still not grateful for even having a job; TAKE THE BUYOUT.
you wish I would take the buyout so that u could be closer to top seniority! But that's not gonna happen unless I win the lottery for $105 million plus!|
RAM34

Clarkston, MI

#7 Dec 4, 2010
angry wrote:
<quoted text> you wish I would take the buyout so that u could be closer to top seniority! But that's not gonna happen unless I win the lottery for $105 million plus!|
If corporate seniority even came up all the people who would be affected by that change would out number your complaints 5 to 1!! Thats why it has never changed in the past. If your plant did not close then u obviously did not have enough senority to hold your plant that is exactly why let me repeat it for u that are ignorant YOU DID NOT HAVE THE SENORITY TO HOLD YOUR PLANT. Now why would you be able to come into my house and shitz in my toilet?? Also u never bitched before when it happened to others and now u want to make a big deal of it!! You have enough senority that you knew what the contract was when you made your decision where and when to go somewhere else deal with it like a man stop biotching!!!
angry

United States

#8 Dec 4, 2010
RAM34 wrote:
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If corporate seniority even came up all the people who would be affected by that change would out number your complaints 5 to 1!! Thats why it has never changed in the past. If your plant did not close then u obviously did not have enough senority to hold your plant that is exactly why let me repeat it for u that are ignorant YOU DID NOT HAVE THE SENORITY TO HOLD YOUR PLANT. Now why would you be able to come into my house and shitz in my toilet?? Also u never bitched before when it happened to others and now u want to make a big deal of it!! You have enough senority that you knew what the contract was when you made your decision where and when to go somewhere else deal with it like a man stop biotching!!!
CHRYSLER IS CHRYSLER and yes I di bitch about it b4 when I was just a rookie I have always believed having two different seniorities within the same company was stupid just like u ram34! Oh, and by the way wishes do come true!! Everytime I pray to my GOD I get what I ask 4!!!
plant seniority man

Mount Morris, MI

#9 Dec 4, 2010
angry wrote:
<quoted text>CHRYSLER IS CHRYSLER and yes I di bitch about it b4 when I was just a rookie I have always believed having two different seniorities within the same company was stupid just like u ram34! Oh, and by the way wishes do come true!! Everytime I pray to my GOD I get what I ask 4!!!
then pray to win millions in the lottery, dipshit. Lol, threatening people with prayer, how irrational. you deserve to be in a mental ward.
Dose of Reality

Clarkston, MI

#10 Dec 4, 2010
Not going to happen. If they cared, they would give closed plant status to the plants that are closing instead of screwing people over by labeling a small percentage moving into another building nearby a transfer of ops, idle, or other. The fact of the matter is that they feel the need to protect the younger membership because they will be collecting dues from them longer. Additionally, at this juncture the younger people they are protecting happen to be their kids, nephews, and nieces. In some cases like SSP, they are the wife of the international representative for the stamping plants, or son of the recent representative that just hired in. They hide these people in plants like SSP because they stand the best chance of survival there. As long as they can minimize how many people come in there with seniority now there relatives stand a good chance at maintaining careers at Chrysler. In assembly plants they are almost certainly doomed the minute there is a downturn. They know this to be the case, so it becomes rather obvious in what to do and how to go about it. This is what we get from crooked appointees and the way they do business. We caught them red handed hiring all of their relatives in back in April, called them out on it, and were thrown a bone by them having a mock lottery limited to 10 people from each department to give the name and number of a relative or friend within twenty-four hours for the same opportunity for employment that their cronies got. To this date, not one of those people drawn have been hired in. They wont either. The whole thing was a "Dog and Pony Show". We have three thousand people that are going to need to be replaced here real soon when you add up Kenosha Engine, Trenton Engine, Axle, and Mack. They will all be date of entry with the exception of Kenosha. Why, there will still be a local left behind at the others regardless of how many people were put out. For example Trenton recently had as many as 900 people at the old building scheduled to close. They are not going to get closed plant status though even though Kenosha had 600 people and they received it. Why there is now a plant next door with 450 in it. That plant couldn't take any of the nine hundred because it is already full of people that met the new criteria that was intentionally designed to keep most from the old building out. The new plant required a degree and only skilled tradesmen that could pass a test to get in there. Mack, Trenton, and Axle will all have locals still functioning when the lion share of their people get the boot so they will not get closed plant status. The same thing happened to Mound Engine a few years back. The people that were unable to transfer to Mack are still floating around with day one seniority. What you guys want and what you are going to have happen are two different things. Corporate seniority is not about to happen at Chrysler. Nate G's band of thieves will see to it. They have too many people to protect. Nepotism rules! Besides... just like Maurice Mitchell was quoted saying at a local meeting when he screwed over 1264 on a McGraw Glass ruling giving them the opportunity a year and a half after starting at SSP to declare McGraw as their home plant, " You all think this is a democracy! Well let me tell you it's not! " The Union Appointed Republic has no one to answer to but itself and these crooked bastards know it. Hell he just got another one of his kids in, back in April, and they rolled three groups of new hires over November 1st and 4th dating their plant time to April, May, and June, in order to protect them from any of the new date of entries that are now sure to come. This is kind of representation we all pay dues for.
Jon

United States

#11 Dec 4, 2010
Corporate seniority is going to happen at chrysler things have changed at chrysler we know have 2 tier empolyees and plus most plants now have 75% of the employees are transplants from other plants and last contract Gm went to Corp. sen. and Ford was already corp sen. I am sure that Corporate sen. is the way its going to be get over it plants seniority is the thing of the past... Corporate seniority rules...
RAM34

Clarkston, MI

#12 Dec 4, 2010
Jon wrote:
Corporate seniority is going to happen at chrysler things have changed at chrysler we know have 2 tier empolyees and plus most plants now have 75% of the employees are transplants from other plants and last contract Gm went to Corp. sen. and Ford was already corp sen. I am sure that Corporate sen. is the way its going to be get over it plants seniority is the thing of the past... Corporate seniority rules...
You must be smoking some good shitz because none of the plants in the detroit area (which is where the overwhelming majority of employees are) are nowhere near 25% transfers if that!! You must be high or truly think all plants are like bap!! Let me wake u up from that buzz and ruin your day because bap is only plant with so many transfers!! I dont hear anything at my plant about coroprate in fact I have spoken to several shop chairs who told me its never gonna happen even the company does not want it to happen!! So quit the BS and go to CVS tonight and buy, on 2nd thought, go to Sams club and get the comercial size jar of Vasoline because u will be getting bent over for a long time!!1
angry

United States

#13 Dec 4, 2010
Jon wrote:
Corporate seniority is going to happen at chrysler things have changed at chrysler we know have 2 tier empolyees and plus most plants now have 75% of the employees are transplants from other plants and last contract Gm went to Corp. sen. and Ford was already corp sen. I am sure that Corporate sen. is the way its going to be get over it plants seniority is the thing of the past... Corporate seniority rules...
Idk but i have a friend with 20years seniority at ford who says different, he swears they go by plant seniority at the majority of ford facilities! and a cousin who work for GM says the same! where are you ppl getting your info that Ford and Gm only go by Corporate seniority? I do want Corporate only Seniority!!!!!!!!!! it's only fair****
Jon

United States

#14 Dec 4, 2010
lmmfao lets me set you straight put the weed and the 40oz down we have 2 tier workers now and theres no way if some one transfers is a 2 tier going to have more time than a guy thats worked for chrysler for many years its going to change so wake up and dry up and put the 40 down. and my uncle works for gm in Indiana they go by corporate and I read it in the contract when they was neg. it.
RAM34

Clarkston, MI

#15 Dec 4, 2010
Keep praying brother!!! Hope it all works out for you, and let me know what happens....
The Truth

AOL

#16 Dec 4, 2010
plant seniority man wrote:
suffer. plant seniority will always rule at Chrysler. do you actually think union locals will even bring up eliminating plant seniority when the members who voted them in benefit from it. be realistic and stop being a wishful thinker, and if your still not grateful for even having a job; TAKE THE BUYOUT.
I'm sure your low senority ass would wish he and those with higher senority took the buyouts, i know for a fact that they are thinking about getting rid of "Plant Senority", it's 50/50 right now, they probably won't get rid of it, but they are thinking about it and HOW they would do it, the guy that told me was at Detroit Axle, now he is at Auburn Hills (managment side)
The Truth

AOL

#17 Dec 4, 2010
Dose of Reality wrote:
Not going to happen. If they cared, they would give closed plant status to the plants that are closing instead of screwing people over by labeling a small percentage moving into another building nearby a transfer of ops, idle, or other. The fact of the matter is that they feel the need to protect the younger membership because they will be collecting dues from them longer. Additionally, at this juncture the younger people they are protecting happen to be their kids, nephews, and nieces. In some cases like SSP, they are the wife of the international representative for the stamping plants, or son of the recent representative that just hired in. They hide these people in plants like SSP because they stand the best chance of survival there. As long as they can minimize how many people come in there with seniority now there relatives stand a good chance at maintaining careers at Chrysler In assembly plants they are almost certainly doomed the minute there is a downturn. They know this to be the case, so it becomes rather obvious in what to do and how to go about it. This is what we get from crooked appointees and the way they do business. We caught them red handed hiring all of their relatives in back in April, called them out on it, and were thrown a bone by them having a mock lottery limited to 10 people from each department to give the name and number of a relative or friend within twenty-four hours for the same opportunity for employment that their cronies got. To this date, not one of those people drawn have been hired in. They wont either. The whole thing was a "Dog and Pony Show". We have three thousand people that are going to need to be replaced here real soon when you add up Kenosha Engine, Trenton Engine, Axle, and Mack. They will all be date of entry with the exception of Kenosha. Why, there will still be a local left behind at the others regardless of how many people were put out. For example Trenton recently had as many as 900 people at the old building scheduled to close. They are not going to get closed plant status though even though Kenosha had 600 people and they received it. Why there is now a plant next door with 450 in it. That plant couldn't take any of the nine hundred because it is already full of people that met the new criteria that was intentionally designed to keep most from the old building out. The new plant required a degree and only skilled tradesmen that could pass a test to get in there. Mack, Trenton, and Axle will all have locals still functioning when the lion share of their people get the boot so they will not get closed plant status. The same thing happened to Mound Engine a few years back. The people that were unable to transfer to Mack are still floating around with day one seniority. What you guys want and what you are going to have happen are two different things. Corporate seniority is not about to happen at Chrysler. Nate G's band of thieves will see to it. They have too many people to protect. Nepotism rules! Besides... just like Maurice Mitchell was quoted saying at a local meeting when he screwed over 1264 on a McGraw Glass ruling giving them the opportunity a year and a half after starting at SSP to declare McGraw as their home plant, " You all think this is a democracy! Well let me tell you it's not!.
What i hear that they are thinking about doing is that once laidoff from your "home plant", you will be offered a chance to "take" your Home Plant senority to the new plant that you report too, but if you do, you give up your "Return to Home Plant Status", so you would be able to go to another plant with full senority once laidoff from your previous plant, but you wouldn't be able to go back. Either way, i will always side on the side of Senority, now about your "the uaw isn't a democracy, then quit, it's the best that is offered to the working class, if you have something better, let us know, until then, it's what's worked real good for my family
The Truth

AOL

#18 Dec 4, 2010
RAM34 wrote:
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If corporate seniority even came up all the people who would be affected by that change would out number your complaints 5 to 1!! Thats why it has never changed in the past. If your plant did not close then u obviously did not have enough senority to hold your plant that is exactly why let me repeat it for u that are ignorant YOU DID NOT HAVE THE SENORITY TO HOLD YOUR PLANT. Now why would you be able to come into my house and shitz in my toilet?? Also u never bitched before when it happened to others and now u want to make a big deal of it!! You have enough senority that you knew what the contract was when you made your decision where and when to go somewhere else deal with it like a man stop biotching!!!
Was that OPTION offered to GM and Ford workers? NO, just like alot of things, the union has the right to change things, just saying
Dose of Reality

Clarkston, MI

#19 Dec 4, 2010
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text> What i hear that they are thinking about doing is that once laidoff from your "home plant", you will be offered a chance to "take" your Home Plant senority to the new plant that you report too, but if you do, you give up your "Return to Home Plant Status", so you would be able to go to another plant with full senority once laidoff from your previous plant, but you wouldn't be able to go back. Either way, i will always side on the side of Senority, now about your "the uaw isn't a democracy, then quit, it's the best that is offered to the working class, if you have something better, let us know, until then, it's what's worked real good for my family
Quit?
Never... Now you must be smoking something funny. While I agree that corporate seniority is the way to go. I know for a fact that what we have is contractual, and they have no intention of changing it. I also know that it does not serve their interest well to do so either.
We do have a corrupt Union though and everyone knows it. I am only too happy to shed a little light on the facts when I see them. If you don't like it or what I said hits too close to home then perhaps you should quit. I am not going anywhere, and am quite secure even if you come into my plant bringing you time with.
TEAM MEMBER

Clare, MI

#20 Dec 4, 2010
Dose of Reality wrote:
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Quit?
Never... Now you must be smoking something funny. While I agree that corporate seniority is the way to go. I know for a fact that what we have is contractual, and they have no intention of changing it. I also know that it does not serve their interest well to do so either.
We do have a corrupt Union though and everyone knows it. I am only too happy to shed a little light on the facts when I see them. If you don't like it or what I said hits too close to home then perhaps you should quit. I am not going anywhere, and am quite secure even if you come into my plant bringing you time with.
CORPORATE SENIORITY IS COMING! So when I leave DAP with my 16yrs,I will come to another plant and Floss my seniority.

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