CAW much stronger than UAW

CAW much stronger than UAW

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Alex

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#1 Sep 30, 2012
I hope the uaw grows some balls in the next contract, because if they keep going the way they are, it's going to bring us down here in Canada!! We just signed a new agreement and didn't have to give up what our counterparts did. The new hires are going to start at a lower wage, but in ten years will be at full pay, not like this two tier crap that uaw signed. For our sake up here, I sure hope the American union gets it together and not get it up the piehole.
Crazy one

Brunswick, OH

#3 Oct 1, 2012
They will never let them get to full wage that's why they made it ten years in four years when contract is up that will all change.....
Bill

Windsor, Canada

#4 Oct 1, 2012
The UAW is a joke...They own too much of the company to give a shit about workers...American workers have to vote down the tier system or good paying jobs in the auto industry are gone..Your next contract will be the last chance...After that there will be more 2 tier then 1 tier and we'll all be forced to accept a lot less, no matter where we live...All the CAW did was buy us 4 more years..In 3 we'll all know..
Bill

Windsor, Canada

#5 Oct 1, 2012
It costs roughly $1500 in labor for a $40,000 car at higher wages...Labor costs are not going to make or break a car company..They're just sticking it to us because they can right now..If we have a problem with it, they'll get someone in a country with no human rights or environmental standards to do it for next to nothing..Those people will never be able to afford the cars they're building but who cares..Soon no one will be able to afford them..
Bill

Windsor, Canada

#6 Oct 1, 2012
And that's government policy that needs to change..
Alex

AOL

#7 Oct 1, 2012
Bill wrote:
The UAW is a joke...They own too much of the company to give a shit about workers...American workers have to vote down the tier system or good paying jobs in the auto industry are gone..Your next contract will be the last chance...After that there will be more 2 tier then 1 tier and we'll all be forced to accept a lot less, no matter where we live...All the CAW did was buy us 4 more years..In 3 we'll all know..
Finally, a voice of reason...Not like RETIRED and dip shits that don't know what they're talking about. Hopefully The UAW fights to get rid of the two tier for the good of the membership.
uaw average joe

Livonia, MI

#9 Oct 1, 2012
the truth wrote:
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not until those rejects in international are all gone
You are so correct. CAW sticks up for everyone not just for their relatives or girlfriends.
Booga King

Brooklyn, NY

#12 Oct 2, 2012
The UAW couldn't strike till 2015 the Caw can. Two tier will be gone
Uaw vs caw

Dekalb, IL

#13 Oct 2, 2012
The members are the deciding factor. Calling one weak or not is representative of the people. If people vote no on contracts, you may get wha you want. People always get confused in thinking the union is the bargaining committee.
Alex

AOL

#16 Oct 2, 2012
Uaw vs caw wrote:
The members are the deciding factor. Calling one weak or not is representative of the people. If people vote no on contracts, you may get wha you want. People always get confused in thinking the union is the bargaining committee.
Just have a look at the response above your original post by Booba king. The reason why the people couldn't do anything is because they could not strike, so yes the union is weak. If the people can strike, the union can be strong. Looks like you have striking option in 2015 and thats where you got to get rid of two tier. They won't move plants and all their production if everyone stikes. It will be the only time to get this right.
Alex

AOL

#17 Oct 2, 2012
the truth wrote:
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no it's not
Thanks for responding for me, but I prefer to leave him Retired alone. He's just wishing for the worst and is just a miserable dude that has nothing productive to say. Thanks again
Frank

Waterford, MI

#24 Oct 4, 2012
Uaw vs caw wrote:
The members are the deciding factor. Calling one weak or not is representative of the people. If people vote no on contracts, you may get wha you want. People always get confused in thinking the union is the bargaining committee.
wrong
Everyone voted no on the UAW contract and they pushed their shitty agenda through anyhow.
We didn't even vote for Bob King!
That stuff is already decided before the delegates even show up!
Booga King

O Fallon, MO

#25 Oct 7, 2012
Frank wrote:
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wrong
Everyone voted no on the UAW contract and they pushed their shitty agenda through anyhow.
We didn't even vote for Bob King!
That stuff is already decided before the delegates even show up!
We the UAW couldn't strike. Yes the International Pres is voted on by delegates we appointed.
Alex

AOL

#26 Oct 7, 2012
I'm so looking forward to you guy's getting your strike option and getting rid of two tier. It looks as though you guy's might need new leadership as well. Uaw gave up too much and to easily last round, but it's not to late unless it happens again. It has to be done right at contract time, stay strong and united and don't back down, they're not going to shut down or move any plants like they like to threaten. Need stronger leadership!!
Yep

United States

#34 Oct 8, 2012
Alex wrote:
<quoted text>Hopefully The UAW fights to get rid of the two tier for the good of the membership.
The UAW wanted the tier system because they own stock. They knew enough Tier 1 would say 'screw it Tier 2 doesnt't affect me' and wouldnt see the big picture. Attendance system, buyouts, and new hires is all designed to have Tier 2 eventually outnumber Tier 1. And the smart Tier 2 workers know there will never be a $28 max pay ever again. We are all going to get screwed. Tier 2 wont get a pension and will have to try to get as high as a max pay as they can get because Marcioni wants it back to one tier for all and this was done short term solely for the purpose of lowering top wage. International and Corporate are laughing all the way to the bank as they conned Tier 1 into thinking it wouldnt affect them and/or that everybody would be put on Tier 1 once we were profitable again. It cant be stopped now. We all were destined for less that day the union signed off on two tiers. Sad but true
Yep

United States

#35 Oct 8, 2012
Alex wrote:
It has to be done right at contract time, stay strong and united and don't back down, they're not going to shut down or move any plants like they like to threaten. Need stronger leadership!!
People like you are why being in a union used to count for something. Unfortunately there was not enough people like you and the days where these things would have worked are long gone. The locals have no money for strike pay. and while people like to talk tough there isnt going to be anybody stopping people from crossing a picket line. Oh sure maybe one or two guys might do something and get themselves arrested and everybody else won't do a thing. Add to that a bad economy where people wont give up job security and Marcioni having no problem shutting down plants and moving the work elsewhere and having the power to strike becomes useless. This was over the day Tier 2 went into effect as it was all part of the plan.This is why ALL union jobs should be elected positions
Alex

AOL

#36 Oct 9, 2012
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>People like you are why being in a union used to count for something. Unfortunately there was not enough people like you and the days where these things would have worked are long gone. The locals have no money for strike pay. and while people like to talk tough there isnt going to be anybody stopping people from crossing a picket line. Oh sure maybe one or two guys might do something and get themselves arrested and everybody else won't do a thing. Add to that a bad economy where people wont give up job security and Marcioni having no problem shutting down plants and moving the work elsewhere and having the power to strike becomes useless. This was over the day Tier 2 went into effect as it was all part of the plan.This is why ALL union jobs should be elected positions
Very sad, but true. Everything you said in both your comments I agree with 100%...That is why I say the uaw needs new leadership and it can't come soon enough. People don't realize how serious this is. Next contract will make or break us.
jeepeer83

Temperance, MI

#38 Oct 9, 2012
Hey we has Chrysler and the International Union right where we want them at last contract because we could not strike .We all could Vote No on that contract and still been working.But worker of the plant Vote Yes.As for new leadership them people are on them jobs until there sixtyfive year old .
Frank

Waterford, MI

#39 Oct 9, 2012
Booga King wrote:
<quoted text> We the UAW couldn't strike. Yes the International Pres is voted on by delegates we appointed.
Were you there at the convention?
NO you weren't!
Not one delegate voted for Bob King. There was a show of hands to move the agenda forward and that was that. No vote, nothing. Don't even try stating that there was anything remotely similar to a democratic process involved in choosing Gettlefinger's replacement.
The flim flam sham of a dog and pony show that involved the international shoving a contract that the majority voted against can't be denied either! Paper ballots done by pencil with executive officers that had both the cross off sheets and jumbo erasers in their pockets, combined with the fact they putrposel;y with held results until they could be fixed insured their phony outcome. When it became obvious that they were not going to get away with the same B.S, they ran on production when it came to skilled trades, they cited a few tweets on "twitter" stating because they felt it was for economic reasons that they would pass it anyhow. How in the hell is that constitutional? It's not!!!
Everyone know it too!
Good for the C.A.W.!
If most of us had the chance right now, we would tell the U.A.W. to go "F" themselves too!
They represent only a hand full of family members anyway, and have proven themselves to be only in it for themselves time and time again. This is what a crooked appointee system leads to.
pony girl

Chicago, IL

#40 Oct 9, 2012
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