Chrysler transmissions to be a mixed bag

Chrysler transmissions to be a mixed bag

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Iamfedup2

Cape Girardeau, MO

#1 Nov 27, 2009
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2009/11/...

Chrysler transmissions to be a mixed bag
November 25th, 2009 by DaveAdmin

According to Allpar sources, while Chrysler works on building eight-speed automatics, Fiat front-drive dual-clutch automatics, and its own six-speed transverse-engine automatic, it also seems to be planning to continue use of Mercedes WA580 five-speed automatics for rear wheel and all wheel drive applications. The upcoming Pentastar engine will, it appears, be used with both the Mercedes five-speed and the Chrysler six-speed automatic; the latter will also be coupled to a two-liter Fiat diesel. Other plans, including the destination for the eight-speed rear-drive transmission, are still uncertain.
Iamfedup2

Cape Girardeau, MO

#2 Nov 27, 2009
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2009/11/...
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November 27th, 2009 by DaveAdmin

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Fiat currently owns Maserati and 85% of Ferrari as well as Alfa Romeo and Lancia. Chrysler worked with Maserati on the Chrysler TC in the 1980s.
TEAM MEMBER

United States

#3 Nov 27, 2009
Which plants still open will do the powertrain for FIAT?
1994Seniority

Springfield, IL

#4 Nov 27, 2009
TEAM MEMBER wrote:
Which plants still open will do the powertrain for FIAT?
I can only imagine that the 6 speed dual clutch will go to KTP ( if tyey decide to keep that plant or build a new one for the 365 fiat tranny). ITP2 will be placed for the 8 speed tranny as the ZF plant that build there 8 speeed i very similiar to the manpower and build of ITP2
Louis

AOL

#5 Nov 27, 2009
1994Seniority wrote:
<quoted text> I can only imagine that the 6 speed dual clutch will go to KTP ( if tyey decide to keep that plant or build a new one for the 365 fiat tranny). ITP2 will be placed for the 8 speed tranny as the ZF plant that build there 8 speeed i very similiar to the manpower and build of ITP2
I have good sources saying itp2 will be closed
Joe Dirt

O Fallon, MO

#6 Nov 27, 2009
Louis wrote:
<quoted text>
I have good sources saying itp2 will be closed
Its surprising how big KTP is,,,after getting a better look at the layout, there's alot of usable space. If Kokomo doesn't get some of these Fiat drivetranes, they could end up getting rid of another complex.There's alot of dead-space in there!!!
guess who

Girard, KS

#7 Nov 27, 2009
If volume does not increase you will see some of the tranny plants close. Having multiple drivelines is just as bad as having lots of namebrands. Expect a joint venture, IE fiat will look for someone to build the tranny, for sharing the technology.

Since: Nov 08

Kokomo, IN

#8 Nov 27, 2009
Joe Dirt wrote:
<quoted text>Its surprising how big KTP is,,,after getting a better look at the layout, there's alot of usable space. If Kokomo doesn't get some of these Fiat drivetranes, they could end up getting rid of another complex.There's alot of dead-space in there!!!
When I hired in there, all that open space in the back of the plant was filled with machinery and all the people running it. There were about 5,000+ people in KTP alone, now thats about 1,500 (give or take). Sad.
Blogger

Windfall, IN

#9 Nov 28, 2009
KTP is ran by a Italian hater. Joe Per the manager he got drunk in Italy ten years ago and a supplier had to bail his sorry ass out. It all got covered up.
Joe Dirt

O Fallon, MO

#10 Nov 28, 2009
Blogger wrote:
KTP is ran by a Italian hater. Joe Per the manager he got drunk in Italy ten years ago and a supplier had to bail his sorry ass out. It all got covered up.
Sounds like he had a good time in Italy, why does this make him a hater of Italains?
CTC prodguy

Chicago, IL

#11 Nov 28, 2009
1994Seniority wrote:
<quoted text> I can only imagine that the 6 speed dual clutch will go to KTP ( if tyey decide to keep that plant or build a new one for the 365 fiat tranny). ITP2 will be placed for the 8 speed tranny as the ZF plant that build there 8 speeed i very similiar to the manpower and build of ITP2
Folks better get on your union. 6 speed expansion goes to KTP. 8 speed looks to be a replacement for KTP rwd. All I know is that other suppliers are being looked at for both the 8 speed and the dual clutch. Several items have been discussed.
Partnership with someone who needs similar transmissions
Buy the transmissions from someone, he has not been impressed with kokomo thus far.
One of the most recent has something to do with the getrag
Machining the parts in mexico, and assembling them in the US.
I am only guessing that there are some getrag facilities available.
Sergio has made it clear, he is very frugal, he reduce the labor costs, if he can't do it in the US he is going to mexico.
The Truth

AOL

#12 Nov 28, 2009
Joe Dirt wrote:
<quoted text>Its surprising how big KTP is,,,after getting a better look at the layout, there's alot of usable space. If Kokomo doesn't get some of these Fiat drivetranes, they could end up getting rid of another complex.There's alot of dead-space in there!!!
Kokomo is too old, the trans is going to Mack Avenue, that's the truth, it's all about tax incentives from the city and state right now
The Truth

AOL

#13 Nov 28, 2009
Mack Avenue was the Empowerment Zone, one of only a few in the country, the tax incentives are too huge to ingore and the location too great to ignore, location location location, i can see Jefferson North from my plant, i almost can touch Warren Truck, canada is right over the river, Location Location Location, tax incentives will kill Kokomo, sorry Kokomo guys
The Truth

AOL

#14 Nov 28, 2009
over 70% of power trains have to be built in America for govenment money to be used, so you have the hemi and what not in mexico, the rest will be in America
infoman

Chicago, IL

#15 Nov 28, 2009
It doesn't matter where it goes. Powertrain will be non core work. Moving to mack might be just what happens. Shut down the 4.7 program, or do a transfer of ops. Then bring in new transmission, and a new plant with new work rules. Big changes are being directed by sergio!

Since: Sep 09

Indianapolis, IN

#16 Nov 28, 2009
Louis wrote:
<quoted text>
I have good sources saying itp2 will be closed
The article stated that Chrysler was going to continue building the Mercedes transmission. That tranny is built at ITP 2. How will they continue building it if they close the plant it is built in? I don't see it beeing moved to another plant.
stupid

Akron, OH

#17 Nov 28, 2009
DAP to MAP
ZF and Chrysler have a joint venture established.

Since: Sep 09

Indianapolis, IN

#18 Nov 28, 2009
stupid wrote:
DAP to MAP
ZF and Chrysler have a joint venture established.
Your screen name says it all about you. What the heck is all this DAP MAP bullcrap? Spell it out man! Is that some sort of chess move or something?
stupid

Akron, OH

#19 Nov 28, 2009
Chrysler
announced that it would contract with ZF Friedrichschafen AG to run a new axle factory in Marysville, Michigan, set to open in 2010 with a capacity of 500,000 axles per year. Chrysler will retain ownership of the building, and 350 employees of the nearby Chrysler axle plant will work there; while ZF will buy the equipment needed to run the plant, easing Chrysler’s cash flow. The plan has been in the works for a considerable time; ZF, which provides axles to all three German automakers and sells transmissions to BMW, hopes to supply other automakers using the facility, which will make high-efficiency components.

Chrysler has released some details on the new axles; they will be based on a ZF design, using aluminum housings which can cut 30-35 pounds and, in some cases, welded ring gears, which can cut another two pounds. Synthetic fluids work more effectively as a coolant while cutting resistance, lowering parasitic losses while increasing life, and avoiding the need to replace the lubricant. Advanced bearings will also reduce parasitic losses.
The Truth

AOL

#20 Nov 29, 2009
stupid wrote:
Chrysler
announced that it would contract with ZF Friedrichschafen AG to run a new axle factory in Marysville, Michigan, set to open in 2010 with a capacity of 500,000 axles per year. Chrysler will retain ownership of the building, and 350 employees of the nearby Chrysler axle plant will work there; while ZF will buy the equipment needed to run the plant, easing Chrysler’s cash flow. The plan has been in the works for a considerable time; ZF, which provides axles to all three German automakers and sells transmissions to BMW, hopes to supply other automakers using the facility, which will make high-efficiency components.
Chrysler has released some details on the new axles; they will be based on a ZF design, using aluminum housings which can cut 30-35 pounds and, in some cases, welded ring gears, which can cut another two pounds. Synthetic fluids work more effectively as a coolant while cutting resistance, lowering parasitic losses while increasing life, and avoiding the need to replace the lubricant. Advanced bearings will also reduce parasitic losses.
ZF and Chrysler will NOT make it 2 years

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