General Motors' Spring Hill assembly line could soon be manufacturing ...

Nov 17, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Tennessean

General Motors' Spring Hill assembly line could soon be manufacturing the hot-selling Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain crossovers.

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tiredautowrkr

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Nov 19, 2011
 

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hmmm,GM going to build the same vehicle at 3 plants...Dont think so.
UAW and their huge wage reductions should be thanking CAW for their new auto jobs.
Equinox,Terrain and our gravy car the Impala.
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Nov 19, 2011
 
tiredautowrkr wrote:
hmmm,GM going to build the same vehicle at 3 plants...Dont think so.
UAW and their huge wage reductions should be thanking CAW for their new auto jobs.
Equinox,Terrain and our gravy car the Impala.
If the Spring Hill workers were smart, they would decertify the UAW and put your wise ass on the curb...
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Nov 19, 2011
 
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If the Spring Hill workers were smart, they would decertify the UAW and put your wise ass on the curb...
I believe he is CAW not UAW, and Tennessee is a right to work state.
The Spring hill workers do not have to join the UAW.
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Nov 20, 2011
 
TaxedPayer wrote:
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I believe he is CAW not UAW, and Tennessee is a right to work state.
The Spring hill workers do not have to join the UAW.
The point was that a non-union plant in Spring Hill will be more competitive/productive than a CAW plant in Canada.

Tennesseans don't have to be union members but they still have to pay dues to keep their job. Right to work in Tennessee simply means right to have a job without being a union member. But the employers, in this case, GM can sell the worker out by allowing the union the right to require ALL employess to pay dues through a process called dues check-off.

A union security clause is a provision in a union contract requiring employees, as a condition of employment, to maintain union membership or pay union dues or requiring an employer to check off dues from employees' wages.

If they "opt out" they can give the same amont of wages to a charity that is selected by the union, like the UAW widows and orphans fund. RIght to work states only help companies or government agenices that aren't in bed with the union and that ain't GM.

They still have to follow the same work rules in the contract that are responsibile for added production cost. They are also protected by the sick time, off time provisions not found in plants in Alabama, GA, KY and SC.

The fact is that whether he or she is CAW, UAW or SEIU, the presence of the union work rules adds non-value added cost. There was a time when unions had some relevance, when a shop steward and line manager worked together for what was best for the worker AND the company. That time has passed.
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Nov 20, 2011
 
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The point was that a non-union plant in Spring Hill will be more competitive/productive than a CAW plant in Canada.
Tennesseans don't have to be union members but they still have to pay dues to keep their job. Right to work in Tennessee simply means right to have a job without being a union member. But the employers, in this case, GM can sell the worker out by allowing the union the right to require ALL employess to pay dues through a process called dues check-off.
A union security clause is a provision in a union contract requiring employees, as a condition of employment, to maintain union membership or pay union dues or requiring an employer to check off dues from employees' wages.
If they "opt out" they can give the same amont of wages to a charity that is selected by the union, like the UAW widows and orphans fund. RIght to work states only help companies or government agenices that aren't in bed with the union and that ain't GM.
They still have to follow the same work rules in the contract that are responsibile for added production cost. They are also protected by the sick time, off time provisions not found in plants in Alabama, GA, KY and SC.
The fact is that whether he or she is CAW, UAW or SEIU, the presence of the union work rules adds non-value added cost. There was a time when unions had some relevance, when a shop steward and line manager worked together for what was best for the worker AND the company. That time has passed.
You are incorrect,
an employee in the state of Tennessee in the Spring hill plant Does NOT have to pay dues in any way shape or form to anyone for any reason if they choose to not join the union (UAW).
However the UAW (union) must still represent and bargain on behalf of the nonunion employee even if he does not pay dues.

"50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union or employee organization dues.

It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of the person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. "

2010 Tennessee Code
Title 50 - Employer And Employee
Chapter 1 - Employment Relationship And Practices
Part 2 - Right to Work
50-1-203 - Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union or employee organization dues.
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Nov 20, 2011
 
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You are incorrect,
an employee in the state of Tennessee in the Spring hill plant Does NOT have to pay dues in any way shape or form to anyone for any reason if they choose to not join the union (UAW).
However the UAW (union) must still represent and bargain on behalf of the nonunion employee even if he does not pay dues.
"50-1-203. Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union or employee organization dues.
It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association of any kind to exclude from employment any person by reason of the person's payment of or failure to pay dues, fees, assessments or other charges to any labor union or employee organization of any kind. "
2010 Tennessee Code
Title 50 - Employer And Employee
Chapter 1 - Employment Relationship And Practices
Part 2 - Right to Work
50-1-203 - Exclusion from employment for payment of or failure to pay union or employee organization dues.
I stand corrected, I didn't read Tennessee's Right to Work Laws. So how many GM workers in Spring Hill are non-union?
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Nov 20, 2011
 
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I stand corrected, I didn't read Tennessee's Right to Work Laws. So how many GM workers in Spring Hill are non-union?
As many as want to be.
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Nov 20, 2011
 
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As many as want to be.
so how many?
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Nov 20, 2011
 
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so how many?
That's not information readily made available by either GM or the UAW.

Point is those who don't wish to be part of the (Union) don't have to be.
So if those who don't feel that they are represented by a Union properly then they can in essence quit the Union and not pay Union dues any longer.
And those who hire in don't have to join at all nor pay into it.

It's optional, so numbers don't really matter.
Why do you want to know?
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Nov 21, 2011
 
TaxedPayer wrote:
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That's not information readily made available by either GM or the UAW.
Point is those who don't wish to be part of the (Union) don't have to be.
So if those who don't feel that they are represented by a Union properly then they can in essence quit the Union and not pay Union dues any longer.
And those who hire in don't have to join at all nor pay into it.
It's optional, so numbers don't really matter.
Why do you want to know?
Actually the union is required to report the numbers to the Department of Labor and the DOL posts those numbers on the internet. This much I do know..It will take me a while to find them...There is actually a lot of intersting info that is public information that members typically don't see.

I am curious as to the UAW's posture toward GM workers in Spring Hill. Do they pressure and intimidate non-members? Reports say that it was the UAW, not GM, that brought about the demise of the Saturn plant by negotiating away improvements to the plant in deference to Michigan plants. The same situation was reported in Midwest City, OK. Both of these and other events would seem to to coincided with GM's movement toward Canada. I don't hold GM in high regard at all but I see the UAW as the root cause of the failure of the US auto industry..
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Nov 21, 2011
 
The Spring Hill membership at the end of 2010 was about 1600. I don't know how that compares to the number of workers. The report outlining membership, dues paid, assets, liabilities, payees for checks exceeding $100.00 and other financial info for all unions can be viewed at

http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do

you can enter this union's file number, 519-459 in the file number box and click search but you can also search by city or state or by the name of any union.

When you get to the UAW's list, if you click on 2010 Report under Fiscal Year, it will display the most recent report.
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Nov 21, 2011
 
Sounds like you can find the info yourself, have fun.

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