Chevy Makes Honda Cower in Fear

[70plyRR]

David Ebert wrote:

<quoted text>Hi my mate. Will the volt ever be seen in real world? or will it be like most of all the Gm alternative fuel vechiles just a public relations stunt promise the world and deliver nothing. Only 10 days before the June new car figures are due and soon after that they will release the 2nd quater profit or loss statments. By the way is your family owned Camry full of rust with a sludgey engine, time your famil bought a new Malibu isn't it. Nice to be wanted. Ps my old school Toyta's Honda's Nissan's and Mazda's are all going well, take care.

Hi
No rust on the Toyota, not old enough yet.
Fair to say I don’t get under there and inspect.
Volt is getting closer to production, ashamed you didn’t know.
GM is in a world of hurt, just like all the Domestics.
Continue to rub it in, must be that telling character.
Are all of the folks down there like you?

[David Ebert]

70plyRR wrote:

<quoted text>Hi
No rust on the Toyota, not old enough yet.
Fair to say I don’t get under there and inspect.
Volt is getting closer to production, ashamed you didn’t know.
GM is in a world of hurt, just like all the Domestics.
Continue to rub it in, must be that telling character.
Are all of the folks down there like you?

In Australia the peole simular to Americans, some only see what they want to see and believe in what they only what to believe in. I see the boss of GM said the Volt is coming at $40,000 in 2010 but Gm needs it now. Gm in the Usa has no one to blame for its problems but itself for taking its people for granted, a simular situation in Australia where GMH and Ford did nothing relying on brand loyality and public relation spin. They let the Japanese in the back door to there peril as a result Toyota dominates the local market outselling both Gm and Ford combined. Toyota Australia has just anounced it will assemble the Camry hybrid within 18 months. By the way Gm still has 6,800 dealers in USA. take care it is nice to disagree sometimes as the motor industry will never be the same again.

[70plyRR]

David Ebert wrote:

<quoted text>Hi my mate. Will the volt ever be seen in real world? or will it be like most of all the Gm alternative fuel vechiles just a public relations stunt promise the world and deliver nothing. Only 10 days before the June new car figures are due and soon after that they will release the 2nd quater profit or loss statments. By the way is your family owned Camry full of rust with a sludgey engine, time your famil bought a new Malibu isn't it. Nice to be wanted. Ps my old school Toyta's Honda's Nissan's and Mazda's are all going well, take care.

Set to be complete in 2010. Again GM will be the benchmark for electric vehicles just as with the EV1.
At any rate, why are you so negative about GM?

[David Ebert]

70plyRR wrote:

<quoted text>Set to be complete in 2010. Again GM will be the benchmark for electric vehicles just as with the EV1.
At any rate, why are you so negative about GM?

I hope you are right about the Volt as it seems it has a long way to go before it is sold in dealerships. It seems to still be in the prototype stage with untried engineering, reliability and performance. There seems a doubt on who will supply batteries. I heard they intend to use a supplier who has sold them batteries that leak in current GM models. I like Gm cars like you like Toyota I give credit where it is due. GM like most car companies are real spin doctors who only see good in there products no matter how bad they really are. I fact I was once pre delivery manager at a Holden dealership for about 3 years, funilly at the time my late father was the pre delivery manager for a Melbourne Toyota dealership, moving there from Ford Australia wher he did some engineering work on fucture models. At the time we both drove Japanese cars, as they suited us perfectly price wise, performance, reliability engineering a good overall package. In fact my dealer principle agreed the car I drove was far better than what they sold. My father and I were both able to buy Fords and Holden at very good prices but decided to drive our Japanese cars for in our opion they were far superior to our local cars, I still think so for there over all reliability performance/economy, equipment, pricing and engineering that still holds true. catch up soon David.

[70plyRR]

Well I suppose we just have varying opinion, not a bad thing.

[Kern]

What has America become, a wasteland of japanese crappy cars, an unstable economy, and an anti-American muslim running for president

[70plyRR]

Ba-lac obama

[rebecca_msu]

i believe gm has already done that...but i guess it depends on your vehicle...i bought a 2008 chevy cobalt a month ago and i just went on vacation...i was getting anywhere from 38 to 56 mpg on the way there and back...and the car is stock...nothing extra on it to help with gas mileage..gm has won hands down

Tom Loy wrote:

GM will have a winner on their hands if it gets better than 40 mpg. I hope it includes a hatchback model. Plus, it will instantly top both corolla and civic. Competition is good thing.

[Bush]

rebecca_msu wrote:

i believe gm has already done that...but i guess it depends on your vehicle...i bought a 2008 chevy cobalt a month ago and i just went on vacation...i was getting anywhere from 38 to 56 mpg on the way there and back...and the car is stock...nothing extra on it to help with gas mileage..gm has won hands down
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Sure! you were! That cobalt mpg just keeps growing in the comercials on tv.time the feds step in in and do some tests!

[Kern]

Bush wrote:

<quoted text>Sure! you were! That cobalt mpg just keeps growing in the comercials on tv.time the feds step in in and do some tests!

Rebecca = Actual Cobalt owner
You = Biased liar

[70plyRR]

Bush wrote:

<quoted text>Sure! you were! That cobalt mpg just keeps growing in the comercials on tv.time the feds step in in and do some tests!

Feds already tested it. Further, the XFE gets even better mileage than a Corolla. Why is it so hard to accept good news from GM?

[Kern]

The people's demands are to blame for the poor mileage in cars today. Back in the 80s cars had less features and got much better mileage. My 84 Celebrity was roomy and got up to 30 MPG.

[Bush]

This is bullshit! If these cars got this mileage why did people\gm wait tell now to claim it?

[Bush]

Its like your little Korean made piece of shit aveo,When first announced it got 32mpg now their claiming upwards of 38mpg! Give me a break!

[Kern]

As I said, its funny how people say that America is 'discovering' low mileage cars, this is bogus. GM midsize sedans of the 80s got in the 30s, now Aveo, which is half the size of a Celebrity, is about the only car that can hit the 30s.

[70plyRR]

Bush wrote:

Its like your little Korean made piece of shit aveo,When first announced it got 32mpg now their claiming upwards of 38mpg! Give me a break!

Nope, the XFE is not Korean therefore you are wrong again, and yes the car actually gets better mileage than a Corolla. I would be mad too if I were in your camp

cheers

[Truckin]

70plyRR wrote:

<quoted text>Nope, the XFE is not Korean therefore you are wrong again, and yes the car actually gets better mileage than a Corolla. I would be mad too if I were in your camp
cheers

XFE can't hold a candle to the Prius however. Prius outsells the Cobalt XFE by a 10:1 margin.

Victory to Toyota.

[Truckin]

Kern wrote:

As I said, its funny how people say that America is 'discovering' low mileage cars, this is bogus. GM midsize sedans of the 80s got in the 30s, now Aveo, which is half the size of a Celebrity, is about the only car that can hit the 30s.

Early to mid-1990's Saturns could post over 40mpg if optioned correctly. I'm getting 38mpg in my 1995 SC2 that is well broken in with the 5-speed.

Get an 85HP SL1 from 1993 and you'll get 43mpg all day long with the manual transmission on flat land.

[Kern]

Truckin wrote:

<quoted text>
Early to mid-1990's Saturns could post over 40mpg if optioned correctly. I'm getting 38mpg in my 1995 SC2 that is well broken in with the 5-speed.
Get an 85HP SL1 from 1993 and you'll get 43mpg all day long with the manual transmission on flat land.

Exactly, and why is it so hard for GM to get that mileage again? My past GMs got really good mileage and were very comfortable and great performers.

[Truckin]

Kern wrote:

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Exactly, and why is it so hard for GM to get that mileage again? My past GMs got really good mileage and were very comfortable and great performers.

Interestingly, the Impala and Grand Prix and Malibu all perform somewhat decent on the highway, but the small cars don't do as well. I personally got 31mpg in a 3.8L Grand Prix rental while a Chevy (Daewoo) Aveo will only muster 32mpg EPA with the auto transmission. See a problem with that?