Ford hopes to regain car traction with new Fusion

Nov 18, 2008 Read more: Chicago Tribune 8
While two of the Detroit Three have no new models to unveil at this year's Los Angeles Auto Show, Ford Motor Co. Read more
Marty

Conroe, TX

#1 Nov 18, 2008
I believe that we should tie the bailout of detroit's big 3 to their willingness to produce cars with mpg's exceeding 40. There is a reason honda and Toyota are making profit while detroit fails and it isnt unionized labor. It's the miserable inefficient cars they have been producing and their unwillingness to accept that days of the SUV are numbered. I have been buying Honda for 20 years and would like to buy American if they would only priduce a quality small efficient car.
Micron234

United States

#3 Nov 19, 2008
Marty wrote:
I believe that we should tie the bailout of detroit's big 3 to their willingness to produce cars with mpg's exceeding 40. There is a reason honda and Toyota are making profit while detroit fails and it isnt unionized labor. It's the miserable inefficient cars they have been producing and their unwillingness to accept that days of the SUV are numbered. I have been buying Honda for 20 years and would like to buy American if they would only priduce a quality small efficient car.
Which Honda currently gets over 40 mpg? Civic doesn't, Fit doesn't, the Accord sure the hell doesn't. Maybe the bailout should require every American citizen to test drive a domestic and pull their heads out of their asses. The Fusion has beaten both Accord and Camry in quality rankings for the past three years. The new Fusion in it's hybrid iteration will best the Camry Hybrid by 5 mpg. It will beat the Accord Hybrid by 40 mpg since the Accord Hybrid is no longer sold. The conventional Fusion powered by ICEs will beat both the Accord and Camry as well on the fuel mileage front. So tell me why would one buy a Camry or Accord over a Fusion when the Fusion has beaten both of the afore mentioned models in quality rankings for the past three years and gets better fuel mileage in every category, and can be purchased for less money? Maybe one prefers vehicles with noisier cabins which both the Accord and Camry posses. The only valid reason I can think of is that the buyer is geriatric and prefers the ridability of a land yacht which both Camry and to a lesser extent Accord posses compared to a more sporty tuned Fusion. You can't just recycle "excuses" for not buying domestic that were valid 5 years ago. Investigate and test drive any Ford and you will be surprised at the level of refinement you've been missing by limiting yourself to what Honda tells you is the best. But don't take my word for it either. Try it for yourself and make an informed decision instead of one based on perception instead of facts. Ford has not only caught up with Honda and Toyota, they have surpassed them in many segments on the quality front and fuel mileage front. If you don't believe me go prove me wrong.
Trvman

United States

#4 Nov 19, 2008
What happens to Ford, GM stocks if they go into bankruptcy?

Do they become worthless or does their stock still trade at whatever people are willing to pay or sell it for? The way people seem to be dumping the stocks, I am going to assume they become worth nothing in a bankruptcy?
eric

Vonore, TN

#5 Nov 19, 2008
If they go bankrupt the stocks are worthless,and a judge can render them worthless and if they come out of it GM,Ford ect can issue new stock!

Lucent tech. was that way,below a buck per share for ever it seemed and they reversed split.

Kmart was that way,when they filed bankrupt they were almost worthless,and when they mergered with Sears,the court rendered old Kmart shares worthless,and Kmart/Sears issued new shares.

if you think GM and Ford will make it with a bailout and without bankruptcy then go for it,its a great price and its possible,but almost 95% of stocks that go under a dollar never reach 5$ and alot of them never reach much over a dollar for years if at all.
I f they go bankrupt,then it doesnt mean its worthless right away,they could be bought out by someone and you might be issued the new company stock ( the stock that took over)...
Id check with a stock broker or a finanicial adviser so if you have questions its easier then explaining it on line.
a b c

Lewiston, ID

#6 Nov 19, 2008
It is interesting that the article mentioned Ford "put in a laminated windshield" on the new model. Laminated windshields have been standard for over 50 years in U.S. automobiles. In fact, it was Henry Ford that made them standard to better protect his customers and their passengers.
One would think FORD of all companies would know this, so maybe it is the author that needs to do his homework as an "auto writer"?
I have my idea what FORD actually meant or said, but why do the writer's homework for him.
Lincoln MKS

Newtown, PA

#7 Nov 19, 2008
Micron234 wrote:
<quoted text> Which Honda currently gets over 40 mpg? Civic doesn't, Fit doesn't, the Accord sure the hell doesn't. Maybe the bailout should require every American citizen to test drive a domestic and pull their heads out of their asses. The Fusion has beaten both Accord and Camry in quality rankings for the past three years. The new Fusion in it's hybrid iteration will best the Camry Hybrid by 5 mpg. It will beat the Accord Hybrid by 40 mpg since the Accord Hybrid is no longer sold. The conventional Fusion powered by ICEs will beat both the Accord and Camry as well on the fuel mileage front. So tell me why would one buy a Camry or Accord over a Fusion when the Fusion has beaten both of the afore mentioned models in quality rankings for the past three years and gets better fuel mileage in every category, and can be purchased for less money? Maybe one prefers vehicles with noisier cabins which both the Accord and Camry posses. The only valid reason I can think of is that the buyer is geriatric and prefers the ridability of a land yacht which both Camry and to a lesser extent Accord posses compared to a more sporty tuned Fusion. You can't just recycle "excuses" for not buying domestic that were valid 5 years ago. Investigate and test drive any Ford and you will be surprised at the level of refinement you've been missing by limiting yourself to what Honda tells you is the best. But don't take my word for it either. Try it for yourself and make an informed decision instead of one based on perception instead of facts. Ford has not only caught up with Honda and Toyota, they have surpassed them in many segments on the quality front and fuel mileage front. If you don't believe me go prove me wrong.
Nice post and it is all true.
Mowog

Wheeling, IL

#8 Nov 19, 2008
Micron234 wrote:
<quoted text> Which Honda currently gets over 40 mpg? Civic doesn't, Fit doesn't, the Accord sure the hell doesn't. Maybe the bailout should require every American citizen to test drive a domestic and pull their heads out of their ****. The Fusion has beaten both Accord and Camry in quality rankings for the past three years. The new Fusion in it's hybrid iteration will best the Camry Hybrid by 5 mpg. It will beat the Accord Hybrid by 40 mpg since the Accord Hybrid is no longer sold. The conventional Fusion powered by ICEs will beat both the Accord and Camry as well on the fuel mileage front. So tell me why would one buy a Camry or Accord over a Fusion when the Fusion has beaten both of the afore mentioned models in quality rankings for the past three years and gets better fuel mileage in every category, and can be purchased for less money? Maybe one prefers vehicles with noisier cabins which both the Accord and Camry posses. The only valid reason I can think of is that the buyer is geriatric and prefers the ridability of a land yacht which both Camry and to a lesser extent Accord posses compared to a more sporty tuned Fusion. You can't just recycle "excuses" for not buying domestic that were valid 5 years ago. Investigate and test drive any Ford and you will be surprised at the level of refinement you've been missing by limiting yourself to what Honda tells you is the best. But don't take my word for it either. Try it for yourself and make an informed decision instead of one based on perception instead of facts. Ford has not only caught up with Honda and Toyota, they have surpassed them in many segments on the quality front and fuel mileage front. If you don't believe me go prove me wrong.
I agree with you and I own a Camry. I rented a Fusion and was really impressed with how it drove. Next time......
blameus

United States

#9 Nov 19, 2008
i worked for a very large corporation that went bankrupt about 7 years ago. lost my health insurance and pension although there was some left and the government took it over and gives me some pension money. i buy my own health insurance also. now the government didnt loan them or even offered them any money. and you know what, another company bought them and are doing very well.The unions can take some blame but the company ceo's and stockholders are also the blame for the bankrupsy. the union members even gave back some of the pay raises from the last 2 contracts and they company still blew it.I think they ought to wait awhile to see if the ceo's are willing to give something back and get rid of the gas guzzlers. no more golden parachutes until the companies pay back the money they owe the government if they get the loans. everything has to be in writting. L. Iacoca did it.

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