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Off the Hook: NHTSA closes probe on Toyota Tacoma's sudden acceleration issue

There are 64 comments on the Motor Trend story from Sep 3, 2008, titled Off the Hook: NHTSA closes probe on Toyota Tacoma's sudden acceleration issue. In it, Motor Trend reports that:

Bringing back memories of 60 Minutes and the 1986 Audi 5000, recently a wave of owner complaints drove the NHTSA to investigate 2004 - 2008 Toyota Tacoma pickups over a possible problem with sudden, unintended ...

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“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#42 Feb 6, 2010
With that said it’s only fair that I share the most recent breaking news:

The real story about the recalled pedal is due to a software glitch, see below the instructions given to Toyota technicians when repairing the defect:


1. Connect Diagnostic Computer to Diagnostic Port.
2. Wait for options list to populate
3. Scroll down to "Kamikaze Mode"
4. Toggle to "OFF" position
5. Select "Save and Exit"
6. Disconnect Diagnostic Computer from Diagnostic Port.
liner

Rocky Point, NY

#43 Feb 6, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure what you’re trying to get at here. The majority of you post is a personal attack. As for the recall, it means everything RE- a manufacturer issued recall vs. an NHTSA mandated recall due to safety concerns. If the only fact you come to the table with is that Ford recalled the Pinto, I do concede that as fact. You are correct.
With that said,'everyone was guilty of this, but someone had to be made an example'. Vegas, Pacers, Golfs, Civics, and Corollas ALL had the same problem, and all had virtually equal or MORE deaths due to fires from rear end collisions. Whether its right or wrong is irrelevant... the fact is Ford was unfairly singled out for it, and its reputation for safety was harmed due to it. If you read back through the posts, some people still seem to believe Ford was the only one that had a gas tank problem, and that simply is not the case.
Further, I predicted the impending Toyota recalls. I was correct. I predicted a loss in market share back in September, I was correct. I still predict Toyota will never again achieve the market share it did in 2008. I predict Toyota will pay in full to the American supplier the full amount for the rebuilt pedals. I still predict Toyota will be FORCED by the NHTSA to recall tens of millions of vehicles due to a flaw in the engineering of their DBW system. I predict another round of Lesux recalls. I predict Toyota will be wrapped up un litigation for the next several years. I predict you will be upset because of my predictions.
If you want to debate me that’s one thing but leave the personal attacks at the door. You can disagree with me all you want, that’s fine. Just stand on your own merit and leave the petty personal attacks alone. Your words will stand up, your rhetoric will not.
You're not sure what I'm trying to get at here? I don't know how much plainer I can make it. When you make a statement, that you insist we all must take as fact, simply because it's from you, that "the Pinto was never recalled", then you are wrong. You aren't worth debating, because when someone gets the best of you, you merely say" facts are facts, end of debate". That makes you a pompous a$$ because you rarely, if ever back up your statements. Or, you will use little bits and pieces of info taken out of context to enforce your anti Toyota bias. People who have agendas and biases don't debate well. I would lump you in with your best friends vance, fred from the uaw and toyota junk as all annoying windbags, with nothing of any real value to add to any discussion.
Hopefully, you now know what I'm getting at.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#44 Feb 6, 2010
Thanks for posting and have a nice day!
liner

Rocky Point, NY

#45 Feb 6, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
Thanks for posting and have a nice day!
You also.
Damage Control

Cicero, IN

#46 Feb 6, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
Thanks for posting and have a nice day!
DA DA DA DAMN-ED-EE-DAMN-DAMN-DAMN, you're good! One of your predictions shure enough came true. By the way, remember when I said I had a couple of hemmeroids? Yea
Diane

Needham, MA

#48 Feb 24, 2010
I was driving my 2004 Chrysler Pacifica home the other night when the very same thing happened. I began to brake and it felt like my brakes were grinding. I had new brakes put in one week prior. I let off the brake and the car catapulted forward. I drove the brake to the floor, threw it in neutral, came to a full stop and threw it in park. That sucker hummed like it was going to take off into the atmosphere. I would never have known what to do if Toyota had not had this problem aired lately. I called the police because I was at an off-ramp. I had the car towed to my mechanic. He checked it out for 2 days. He found nothing. I do not have a recall. I have to drive it still. I know this much, if it ever happens again, you bet I am dropping it in neutral immediately. I think it is something in the atmostphere i.e., ufo or military that has a magnetic field and is affecting the electronics of cars, some more succeptible. We are lucky. Just think of those poor people who died because they didn't know what to do. I feel very blessed.
Terry

Arlington, TX

#49 Mar 28, 2010
My toyota 2006 surges forward when stopped with foot on brake. My mailman has s 07 and his does the same thing
Fred Smithison

Secaucus, NJ

#50 Mar 28, 2010
Ours did the same thing. Sold it to a migrant worker at a loss and bought a new Edge. We will never buy another Toyota product.
FYI

Alexandria, VA

#51 May 20, 2010
Ghost in the Machine?
Canadian Auto Press
Toyota’s Troubles in 2009: Sign of a Widespread Industry
by Isaac Adams-Hands | 31 December 2009
(excerpt): From 1999-2001 the Lexus ES 350 and Toyota Camry averaged 26 complaints of sudden acceleration each year. From 2002-2004 they averaged 132 each year. Why such a sudden increase? 2002 was the first year that Toyota introduced their “drive-by-wire” systems. It is also interesting to note that when the drive-by-wire system was employed in the Toyota Tacoma in 2005, this model’s sudden acceleration complaints increased twenty-fold.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php...
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No easy answer for the Toyota problem
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
By Jeremy Anwyl Tuesday, March 16, 2010
The writer is chief executive of Edmunds.com , which recently announced a competition with a cash prize for anyone who can demonstrate in a verifiable manner the reason for unintended acceleration.
[Included chart in W. Post hardcopy issue:(Toyota and the accelerating mystery; page A19)]
Discrepancy in complaints
Consumer reports of cases of unintended acceleration by manufacturer
(Model years 2005 - Sept. 30, 2009)
---------- Complaints per
Sales (in millions)- 100,000 vehicles sold
GM ------ 16.5 ---------- 0.81
Toyota ---11.0 ---------- 4.81
Ford ---- 10.8 ---------- 3.12
Chrysler - 9.1 ---------- 1.72
Honda ---- 7.1 ---------- 1.26
Nissan --- 4.6 ---------- 1.07
SOURCE: Edmunds.com analysis of National Highway Traffic Safety Administration complaints
charlie

Essex Fells, NJ

#52 Jul 12, 2010
i pulled into a parking lot, started easing head forward into a parking space, with my foot on the brake the whole time, came up to about 4 ft from the building wall, while my foot was still on the brake, i started to shift into park, when all of a sudden it felt like the abs went out, & the engine reved way up, so of course i applied as much force as i could on the brake pedal, but the vec. felt like it was still going to launch forward since it felt like i had no brakes, this all happened in a split second so my hand continued to shift into park, & it locked in, but the engine continued to rev high, so i quickly turned the key off. my point is i thought that the engine was suppose to cut off at that point, it didnt. first off its not a mat under the pedal since my foot was on the brake, this all happened in a split second. but ill tell you, if i was parallel parking or stopped at a red light pulled up close to the other cars bumper, i believe i would of hit the car in front of me. remember, like i said it felt like i lost abs as the engine reved, & im pretty sure that those brakes would not of stopped me launching forward if i didnt ram it into park. waited 15 min. & started it up & nothing seemed wrong. ive read the threads on sudden acceleration but it seems like toyota chalks it up to mats making the gas pedal stick, i of course knew the pedal itself couldnt of frozen, again the mat didnt move & is anchored using floor hook,plus my foot was on the brake & i was easing forward. so im asking if anyone has heard of this? no its not about jumping on a law suit wagon, its about feeling safe.
FYI

Bethesda, MD

#53 Aug 1, 2010
Report: Many of Toyota’s Acceleration Problems Due to Driver Error
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/201...
Comments:
Jeff Faulkner Says:
July 31st, 2010 at 9:18 am
My 2009 Tacoma accelerated on me last night and scared the crap out of me. I was not trying to brake. I was entering the highway on an entrance ramp and was accelerating purposefully. When I reached a comfortable speed I let up on the gas and the truck did not slow down, but kept accelerating. I pressed the brake and it kept going. I put in neutral and the brakes worked, but the engine kept revving. I was able to stop on the shoulder of the highway and when I put it in park the engine kept revving. I didn’t have my foot on the gas or the brake. This is clearly not a driver error situation, nor is it a floor mat problem nor is it that the gas pedal is too big. This is clearly a computer malfunction. I had my two daughters in the truck with me and was about to be in the middle of a very busy 7 lane highway. Thank God it happened when it did, before I entered the highway. Thank God I was able to get it stopped. If I were looking for money, I would have had to have an accident first, which could have killed my girls, me, or someone else. You people who think this is a conspiracy by some Toyota drivers make me sick to my stomach.
Truckin

Greencastle, PA

#54 Aug 1, 2010
Purely a result of driver error, proven many times over.
Robin

Veneta, OR

#55 Jan 9, 2011
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>
I would wish that you be faced with the same situation. I am not a dumbass. I handled this situation correctly and got the vehicle stopped before my passenger, me and those who shared the road with me that day were not injured. I am employed by a police dept and have been driving over 40 years without an accident.
Go on line and type "TOYOTA TACOMA ACCELERATION PROBLEM" and see what YOU find.
I told my story so that other's are aware of the danger of this vehicle.
Thank you, Sandy. I was just looking at a 2006 Toyota Tacoma that I won't be buying now...I didn't realize the pickups had this issue until I read this. Thank you again.
wantTacoma

Scarborough, Canada

#56 Dec 3, 2012
hello, first thing you do in any problem, shut the car off! thats what the keys are for!!
I highly Doubt it has a problem.
Juan wrote:
Sudden Unintended Acceleration! Oh What A Feeling! I didn't ask for it but I got it! Just sold my 2007 Toyota Tacoma 4cyl automatic at auction after NHTSA closed its probe so the truck won't kill me next time it happens unless the next owner impacts me in an uncontrolled acceleration. This happened to me five times during the 17 months since I bought it new. Always happened while the air conditioner was running AND as I released the gas pedal - not as the brake was applied as reported by some. My conclusion was that the air conditioner compressor solenoid was causing an electrical surge as I released the gas pedal in normal driving as the AC cycled back on. No surprise that no engine codes were generated. Its not like I was reporting seeing a UFO. Toyota ignored my complaint and they lost my loyalty - Forever!! Do the right thing Toyota CEO and impale yourself on a sword.
CharleneBlake

Culpeper, VA

#57 Apr 4, 2014
Juan wrote:
Sudden Unintended Acceleration! Oh What A Feeling! I didn't ask for it but I got it! Just sold my 2007 Toyota Tacoma 4cyl automatic at auction after NHTSA closed its probe so the truck won't kill me next time it happens unless the next owner impacts me in an uncontrolled acceleration. This happened to me five times during the 17 months since I bought it new. Always happened while the air conditioner was running AND as I released the gas pedal - not as the brake was applied as reported by some. My conclusion was that the air conditioner compressor solenoid was causing an electrical surge as I released the gas pedal in normal driving as the AC cycled back on. No surprise that no engine codes were generated. Its not like I was reporting seeing a UFO. Toyota ignored my complaint and they lost my loyalty - Forever!! Do the right thing Toyota CEO and impale yourself on a sword.
Are you aware of the latest SUA debacle at Toyota? If not, catch up to speed by going to the blog "Beware of Toyota. Their next victim may be YOU...". Check out the findings of embedded systems expert Michael Barr by visiting embeddedgurusdotcom and click in his name. He and his cohorts found the specific software defects that the NASA engineers could not find. Mr. Barr's study was far longer than NASA's study and yet Toyota, the NHTSA, and the DOJ have yet to acknowledge his findings of electronically-caused sudden unintended acceleration.

Be sure to look up Betsy Benjaminson on YouTube to find her publicly-accessible Toyota internal documents. She is the Whistleblower who exposed Toyota's internal worry among engineers about "the ghost in the engine" and related electronic misbehavior of the Toyota ETCS-I. She gave all of the documents to both the NHTSA and the DOJ, as well as individual lawmakers. To date, nothing has been publicly mentioned about the documents by these agencies.

No, Juan, you are far from alone in your experience. Toyota has slammed the door in many Toyota owners' faces when news of frightening SUA events were brought to its attention. You see just as in the engine oil sludge debacle, Toyota doesn't want to know about these recurrent electronic failures. It it does, it might actually be expected to take action to prevent the near death or fatal incidents from occurring. Toyota is running like the Gingerbread Man in hopes of hiding permanently.

Now that Toyota has lost a major court battle against a Toyota owner who suffered permanent damage in a horrific crash as a result of SUA, it has scrambled to settle all of the remaining SUA cases. Guess it must be awfully worried that word is getting out that the SUA crisis is about more than the wrong kind of floor mats and sticky accelerator pedals. According to experts, the GHOST in the engine is related to the ELECTRONIC software defects. And the scary part? There is no fail safe and the brakes are often rendered useless! Now there's a real comforting thought!

Everyone who experiences this GHOST-like state in their Toyota vehicles should file reports with the NHTSA as well as the Center for Auto Safety. Network with other similarly-affected individuals and post your experiences online. Let your lawmakers know if Toyota is stonewalling you and ignoring the problem.

This Toyota sudden unintended acceleration issue is far from over. Toyota did settle a CRIMINAL investigation with the DOJ for $1.2 BILLION but that was for floor mats and the sticky pedals only. Do NOT let Toyota sweep your SUA events under the rug in an effort to maintain SECRECY...a.k.a. DECEPTION.

Charlene Blake
CharleneBlake

Culpeper, VA

#58 Apr 12, 2014
wantTacoma wrote:
hello, first thing you do in any problem, shut the car off! thats what the keys are for!!
I highly Doubt it has a problem.
<quoted text>
wantTacoma, you might want to read my post below to EDUCATE yourself on the facts in the TOYOTA SUA, sudden unintended acceleration matter. A LOT has happened since you made your post.

The Toyota SUA-impacted owners have some serious issues to consider. I don't envy them. Hopefully, they will speak up and let the rest of us know what their status is. Getting rid of the unsafe vehicles and going quietly away does not help STOP the manufacturer from selling such vehicles.

Charlene Blake
Betsy Benjaminson

Tel Aviv, Israel

#59 Apr 12, 2014
Toyota's engineers were clearly concerned about electronics and software glitches that could cause unpredicable vehicle behavior, including sudden acceleration with loss of braking power. Sometimes the car cannot be turned off or shifted to neutral.
In some cases, the engineers identified the cause as electronics, although they were also sometimes confused or ignorant about the exact failure mechanism.
This much is abundantly clear in the hundreds of Toyota's internal documents that reside here on my computer.
Also, Toyota's own engineers, Kishi and Ogawa, were interviewed by investigators for the House Energy & Commerce committee, and they admitted that vehicle testing cannot prove that SUA cannot happen. That was in direct contradiction to what Toyota told Congress and the public.
I recommend not trusting what Toyota says.
Some of the proof of my statements can be found in the Toyota documents that I am posting on my blog at betsybenjaminson.blogspot.co.i l
Trudy Baltazar

Saint Paul, MN

#61 Apr 16, 2014
I trust nothing that Toyota says after hearing 11 witnesses testify of the SUA that happened in their '96 Camry, all experienced the same loss of brakes at the same time. All events were untraceable and unrecorded that anything wrong just happened. You can read specific details about it in a book titled "A Road to Freedom: Strangers Restore Justice for an Innocent Man". Toyota let an innocent man go to prison for years knowing it wasn't the driver's fault.

Since: Apr 14

Culpeper, VA

#62 Apr 16, 2014
Toyota owner, turned consumer activist-blogger, Parris Boyd has been blogging about what he calls “The Recall King”(a.k.a. Toyota) for years. His blog,“Beware of Toyota. Their next victim may be YOU…,” was initially an outlet for his frustration with Toyota--after his MR2 Spyder’s engine disintegrated at low mileage. What Parris faced was an unresponsive, stonewalling company operating within a state of denial.

During the height of Toyota’s engine oil SLUDGE debacle, Parris created his blog with the goal of using his free speech to help other similarly-affected Toyota owners. He also wanted the public to know just how Toyota and its dealerships treated their “valued customers.” Parris’s Blogger website currently receives over 100 views a day!

Check out uc2.blogspot.com
CharleneBlake

Culpeper, VA

#63 Apr 17, 2014
In the wake of the NHTSA/DOJ $1.2 BILLION settlement following a CRIMINAL investigation, Kris Kitko should be encouraged to use her finely-honed musical skills to do a sequel to her first Toyota SUA YouTube video. The U.S. Federal Government allowed Toyota “deferred prosecution” in this settlement provided it follow the steps outlined in the terms of the agreement. No one…not one single Toyota executive…is going to serve any prison time for knowingly withholding evidence that could have saved many lives and ensured public safety on the roads.Toyota ADMITTED that it LIED to both the Toyota customers and the government.

Michael Barr, renowned embedded systems expert, after studying Toyota’s ETCS-I far longer than NASA did, found the existence of faults in the software which could lead to a real-world, potentially-catastrophic SUA event with a number of potentially ineffective fail-safes. Imagine flying down the road in a Toyota with no functioning brake override to exit a software task-death! Isn’t that a bit like being on a high-speed roller coaster and having the track fail to keep you on? And want to know the most SHOCKING part? Toyota reportedly didn't have a copy of the code in their OWN monitor chip! Michael Barr and company had to SHOW them! Can we just say,“Scary!”

Toyota cites that there is no electronic cause for SUA in its vehicles based on the short-duration investigations by NHTSA and NASA. Michael Barr and other experts have shown these studies to be scientifically seriously flawed. First, the ETCS-I software investigation was extremely limited. Only a SMALL FRACTION of the embedded software was tested by NASA.

Secondly, Toyota misrepresented the presence of EDAC RAM (error detection and correction random access memory) while indications of this issue were apparently redacted in the original NHTSA report. This misled NASA into NOT LOOKING INTO a number of potential sources of failure – which they may otherwise might have.

According to NASA expert, Dr. Henning Leidecker, some Toyota's can grow "tin whiskers" within certain electronic components. This can result in short circuits which can lead to yet another type of electronically-induced SUA event. Dr. Leidecker and associates actually DID FIND and study a case of "tin whiskers" found within the accelerator pedal assembly; rendering a Toyota vehicle UNDRIVEABLE.

Dr. Leidecker suggests driving the affected Toyota vehicles is "a game of Russian roulette." Dr. Leidecker is most concerned about 2002-2006 Toyota Camrys with their potential to grow "tin whiskers." He indicates the risk of this condition increases over time.

Meanwhile, whistleblower Betsy Benjaminson remains scared for Toyota drivers. She is convinced Toyota's own internal documents strongly indicate SOMETHING IS WRONG with their ETCS-i ELECTRONICS . She says "ghosts" indicate glitches can cause a runaway car. Betsy now blogs on a website where she continues to EXPOSE key documents that she says open the company's PR KIMONO. Betsy's goal is to reveal the true inside story of Toyota's SUA problem and to demonstrate and expose the differences between the company walk and company talk.

How did Betsy turn whistleblower? As a Japanese-to-English translator, Betsy was hired by Toyota's legal team to translate documents for the criminal investigation of Toyota. Just like the DOJ, Betsy SMELLED A RAT. After checking with top experts, she came forward to alert the public to the major safety issues involved.

So, WHY is Toyota trying so hard to CONVINCE its own customers and the public that its vehicles suffer from SUA caused only by 1) improperly placed or type of floor mats (huh?); 2) sticky accelerator pedals (like those pesky sticky Sienna minivan sliding doors?); or 3) pedal misapplication (oh...the little old lady theory?). Why does it IGNORE the recent findings of the electronic experts? WHY isn’t it currently LISTENING to its own customers?

Well, YOU be the judge. The FACTS are before you.

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