Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

There are 11794 comments on the taintedgreen.com story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius. In it, taintedgreen.com reports that:

Toyota has fallen to GM on the MPG front. The Japanese company continues to lose market.

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Devilsadvocate

Toronto, Canada

#8968 Feb 20, 2014
I will be posting as Obsessed With My Volt in short order. Stay tuned
Thanks.
Devilsadvocate

Toronto, Canada

#8971 Feb 20, 2014
Here's yet another excerpt from an ecstatic review of the money saving Volt.
Whether one agrees with it or not, it's pause for thought...

"Do the Math

Add it up: The 2013 Chevy Cruze ó which is basically a car not like the Volt without the electricity ó costs $25,140 comparably equipped to our Volt test car. Comparing its 33mpg EPA mileage to 95mpg with the Volt, it's not going to take a long time to recover the extra cost of the Volt at current fuel prices of about $3.30/gallon.
Gas for the Cruze would cost you around $1,200 per year (driving 12,000 miles), and the gas/electricity equivalent for the Volt would cost less $60 per year.
You'd have to drive the Cruze for more than 17 years to make up that $10,380 price difference.
You're don't have to be committed to energy independence and the idea of an electric car to make this worth it.
But get this: If you only drive short distances using the electric motor like we did, it could take you less than 1year to save that extra $10K."

Devilsadvocate Obsessed With My Volt

Thanks.
Abraham Goldberg CPA

Arlington, VT

#8972 Feb 20, 2014
I've been reading iluvmyVolt's financial posts. I don't think the guy is serious; nobody can be that ignorant! I printed some of his posts and pinned them on the company bulletin board; all the accountants get a good laugh. Based his dopey financial analysis, I doubt the gasbags Volt numbers are credible.
Abraham Goldberg CPA

Toronto, Canada

#8973 Feb 20, 2014
Good morning from Toronto, Devilsadvocate Number Two.
Yes, we know you will be posting as Abraham Goldberg CPA soon.
You rarely seem to miss an opportunity to do your username cloning thing.
I've been reading iluvmyVolt's financial posts. I think the guy is serious; nobody can be that smart! I printed some of his posts and pinned them on the company bulletin board; all the accountants are learning a how much money the Volt saves. Based his excellent financial analysis, I doubt the Nissan Leaf gasbags numbers are credible. I love the Volt. I get around.

Abraham Goldberg Dolt CPA
Devilsadvocate
Devilsadvocate

Toronto, Canada

#8975 Feb 20, 2014
Abraham Goldberg CPA wrote:
Good morning from Toronto, Devilsadvocate Number Two.
Yes, we know you will be posting as Abraham Goldberg CPA soon.
You rarely seem to miss an opportunity to do your username cloning thing.
I've been reading iluvmyVolt's financial posts. I think the guy is serious; nobody can be that smart! I printed some of his posts and pinned them on the company bulletin board; all the accountants are learning a how much money the Volt saves. Based his excellent financial analysis, I doubt the Nissan Leaf gasbags numbers are credible. I love the Volt. I get around.
Abraham Goldberg Dolt CPA
Devilsadvocate
Putting it a bit more succinctly, if BS was music, I would be dancing to a symphony orchestra!
(Emphasis on the "ochestra" part)
Volt has saved us big bucks. I'll be on the beach later breaking up some ice. Soon to post as Abraham Goldberg CPA soon.

Devilsadvocate on a mexican vacation in Toronto
Abraham Goldberg Dolt CPA
Root

Shreveport, LA

#8976 Feb 20, 2014
Volt and Spark named two of the most loved vehicles. Tesla tops the overall list. Complete list and complete story at the jump.

http://www.strategicvision.com/press_release....
Dave

Ashburn, VA

#8978 Feb 20, 2014
Current owner of the Volt and understand the praise for this car. Some like it and some donít. I say to each his own. For me I would buy again. Our driving style fits the car.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#8979 Feb 20, 2014
Wow ... here we go again. Somebody found a hater site and is quoting again.

He posts:

"Even battery lifetimes are not a subject of debate, and improving technology is constantly adding to performance and efficiency."

In some people's minds, only 6 battery failures out of 50 million cells isn't dependable enough.

They whine.

From the link:

"Ford began working with hybrid vehicle technology in the late 1980s. The company offered a limited release of the Ranger EV in 1998, the Escape Hybrid in 2004 and the Fusion Hybrid in 2009. Ford draws on the data it collected from these previous-generation efforts, especially the higher volume production hybrids.

For example, 50 million battery cells have been produced since 2004 in previous-generation production Ford hybrid vehicles such as the Escape Hybrid and Fusion Hybrid. Some of these have been put to use in taxi fleets in such cities as San Francisco and New York, with some taxi vehicles attaining more than 250,000 miles individually and taxi fleets in California alone attaining a total of nearly 100 million miles.

Of all Ford production hybrid vehicles produced to date, only six battery cells have failed of the 50 million that were put into use, the company said."

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012/12/fordk...
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#8980 Feb 20, 2014
Battery costs have dropped dramatically.

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/08/40-drop-i...
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#8981 Feb 20, 2014
Taxi's have put more than 300,000 miles on their batteries.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1023454_to...

This is just a re-hash. But since somebody keeps letting his fingers get ahead of his brain, he can't remember that we went through this two or three times already.

Or maybe he does remember ......
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#8982 Feb 20, 2014
Hater posts:

"And at the end of the day, eGallon prices don't mean a thing without gallon prices for perspective so we provide those.
If gas prices drop dramatically, electric vehicles do not lose their mojo.
Or alternatively, if electricity prices head higher, Tesla sales might likewise slow down.
In Hawaii, where high electricity prices currently mean that an eGallon beats out gas by a mere 5 cents a gallon, eight years of driving equates to just $2222 or $2231 in fuel savings for eFocus and Tesla drivers, respectively.""

Gas has risen 25 cents in CA in the past month. It is now $3.75 median price.

Gas would have to come down to $2.40 a gallon for me to be at 100 mpg.

My electric rates haven't risen in 10 years.

And this is the biggest laugh of all. This so called "egg-spert" chooses Hawaii to compare gas prices to electric charging costs.

Hawaii has the highest electric rates in the country. By a factor of 3!! In fact, Hawaii has one of the highest electric rates in the world.

Only a hater would let his fingers get ahead of his brain before finding this.

http://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-pri...
Abraham Goldberg CPA

Arlington, VT

#8983 Feb 21, 2014
iluvmyVolt wrote:
Hater posts:
"And at the end of the day, eGallon prices don't mean a thing without gallon prices for perspective so we provide those.
If gas prices drop dramatically, electric vehicles do not lose their mojo.
Or alternatively, if electricity prices head higher, Tesla sales might likewise slow down.
In Hawaii, where high electricity prices currently mean that an eGallon beats out gas by a mere 5 cents a gallon, eight years of driving equates to just $2222 or $2231 in fuel savings for eFocus and Tesla drivers, respectively.""
Gas has risen 25 cents in CA in the past month. It is now $3.75 median price.
Gas would have to come down to $2.40 a gallon for me to be at 100 mpg.
My electric rates haven't risen in 10 years.
And this is the biggest laugh of all. This so called "egg-spert" chooses Hawaii to compare gas prices to electric charging costs.
Hawaii has the highest electric rates in the country. By a factor of 3!! In fact, Hawaii has one of the highest electric rates in the world.
Only a hater would let his fingers get ahead of his brain before finding this.
http://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-pri...
Thanks again for the laughs.
Abraham Goldberg CPA

Toronto, Canada

#8984 Feb 21, 2014
iluvmyVolt wrote:
Hater posts:
"And at the end of the day, eGallon prices don't mean a thing without gallon prices for perspective so we provide those.
If gas prices drop dramatically, electric vehicles do not lose their mojo.
Or alternatively, if electricity prices head higher, Tesla sales might likewise slow down.
In Hawaii, where high electricity prices currently mean that an eGallon beats out gas by a mere 5 cents a gallon, eight years of driving equates to just $2222 or $2231 in fuel savings for eFocus and Tesla drivers, respectively.""
Gas has risen 25 cents in CA in the past month. It is now $3.75 median price.
Gas would have to come down to $2.40 a gallon for me to be at 100 mpg.
My electric rates haven't risen in 10 years.
And this is the biggest laugh of all. This so called "egg-spert" chooses Hawaii to compare gas prices to electric charging costs.
Hawaii has the highest electric rates in the country. By a factor of 3!! In fact, Hawaii has one of the highest electric rates in the world.
Only a hater would let his fingers get ahead of his brain before finding this.
http://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-pri...
Sometimes I put my foot in the mouth and keep on truckin. Volt is the best car ever!

Abraham Goldberg Dolt CPA
Devilsadvocate on Mexican Vacation
Root

Shreveport, LA

#8989 Feb 21, 2014
Disregard the above post as more off topic spam propaganda from a troll, written by a high school teenager.

Link at the jump:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/WSS/post....

There's nothing like a propanda troll to give one side of a story. That in fact is propaganda.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#8990 Feb 21, 2014
Devilsadvocate wrote:
<quoted text>
It is entertainment of a sort. Not always funny, but always predictable.
First laugh of each day is usually Luvvy and one or more of his customary hissy fits.
Next of course, will be the Fakers arriving on the scene--most of their stuff is so ridiculous as to be laughable, and clearly indicative of some major hangups.
Children pretending to be adults.
Nasty, rude, off topic name calling and childish to boot.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#8993 Feb 21, 2014
What I said is truthful and unlike you provided the whole factual story to readers so they can have the honest truth. You provided propaganda and as rebut, failed to cleanse yourself of wrongdoing and continued with condescending speech. Try the high road sometime, it's worth it and better for all.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#8996 Feb 21, 2014
What I said was truthful and what you said was not, it also meets the exact definition of propaganda. Calm down and deal with it. If at some point you decide to take the righteous road I will welcome you with open arms. Life is too short for such behavior.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#8998 Feb 21, 2014
I donít do those things. You can say I do those things, as you always do. Just because you say something doesnít make it true. I have denied doing those things and you come back with something like ďif you deny it means you did itĒ. So your baseless allegations remain as that, baseless (and rude) allegations.

My suggestion is to be nice to others and post truthful statements that arenít biased, and share the full story. Youíve now called me several names and in return I offer you truth and the option of welcoming you with open arms. You should do the same.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#9000 Feb 21, 2014
Interesting take on co2 emissions per kwh in CA.
Per PG&E:
0.524 lbs CO2 per kWh

13 kwh's to fully charge a Volt

.524 X 13 = 6.812 lbs co2 per full charge.

Average Volt gets 43 mile electric range. 41 older Volts and 45 new Volts.
6.812 / 43 =.1584 lbs co2 per mile
158 lbs co2 per 1,000 miles.

http://www.pge.com/myhome/environment/calcula...

The average American car emits 19.6 lbs of co2 per gallon burned.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/documents/420...

The average American car get 25 mpg.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/201...

This equates to .784 lbs of co2 per mile for the typical American car.

This means that 784 lbs of co2 are emitted for 1,000 miles.

158 lbs for the Volt
784 for the typical gas car.

Now, the average American driver drives 37 miles per day. This means that about 65% of all Volt owners don't even use gas in a normal day. They have 6 miles range left at the end of the day.

But let's not forget that it takes 7 billion kwh's of electricity to produce gas each year. So, the hater, spewing all over electricity has forgotten that it takes electricity to prduce gas. It doesn't come from Lake Gasoline.

He also compares a Volt that drives 10,000 miles in gas mode:

"so the Volt has also emitted 478 pounds of carbon dioxide from gasoline for a total carbon footprint of 3,734 pounds of carbon dioxide. If they had driven the 10,102 miles using only the 37.5 mpg gas engine"

Who in their right mind would buy a Volt to drive only in gas mode? Does he even understand how long it would take the typical Volt owner to drive 10,000 gas miles? 32,000 miles for the Average Volt driver.

The typical gas car would emit 25,100 lbs of co2 in that same time frame.

So, first of all, he is using co2 emission in Texas. So, we can surely cut that 3,734 lbs of co2 in half because the majority of Volts are in CA.

So, we are talking about 25,100 lbs of co2 for a typical gas car for 10,000 miles of driving.
It would take the Volt 120,000 miles of driving to equal that amount of co2 because most driving is in E and CA doesn't have the emissions that Texas does.

One again, the spewer choses the worst case scenario. Why? Because it is food for thought.

And by the way ... the Volt gets 43 mpg in gas mode. Once again, he chose the EPA flawed numbers. He seems to be stuck on the worst case, whether it is wrong or not.

Go to 1:10. 600 miles in the Volt. 43 mpg.



All of his numbers were the absolute worst he could find. Sheeeeesh ..... Hawaii's electric rates .... Texas's co2 emissions ..... the EPA's flawed numbers.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#9001 Feb 21, 2014
Woooooops 7,840 lbs of co2 for 10,000 miles for the gas car.

It would take 50,000 for the Volt owner to equal that because most of his miles are electric.

So, by the time the gas car owner drives those Volt miles, he will emit 39,200 of co2.

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