Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

There are 11779 comments on the taintedgreen.com story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius. In it, taintedgreen.com reports that:

Toyota has fallen to GM on the MPG front. The Japanese company continues to lose market.

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Pete

Byron Center, MI

#5641 Jul 7, 2013
Pete wrote:
As Toyota has stated 2 years ago...

There is absolutely no market for the ev's and nothing will grow...

for the over sized flash light batteries used on top of golf carts.

Excepting of course the Deficit to the American Economy.

Too Funny.
Wifey says:
That's very true...

The obamamobile is simply the payback to those socialist party unions...

and it exemplifies the battle of the domestics as the "Kings of the Clunkers" continues.

Too Funny.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#5642 Jul 7, 2013
Prometheus wrote:
If BS was music, this Chameleon calling hisself "Root" would be a symphony orchestra!
Note: last two syllables in "symphony" make one word---"Phony".
That works too.
I thought about something you said, something to the tune of Volt is 25% of this increasingly and fast growing market and it made me think. If there are 13 cars in this particular market and one car owns 25% of that market, it would be nice to see a comparison of other segments with multiple cars and the percentage the top sales champion owns of that particular market for a transparent comparison. That would be something very nice to do and add integrity to comments that tend to be critical of a car. Critical for reasons unknown not understood. Another interesting note to flag is that U.S. sales of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery-only autos rose at least 23 percent to more than 287,000 in the first half. Deliveries of full-size pickups climbed 22 percent.

I’ll be away for a time today and I hope everyone remains civil in their postings and try to find a car they can like (or love) without persecution or torment from others that don’t approve of another’s personal choice.
Prometheus

Windsor, Canada

#5643 Jul 7, 2013
The only "persecution" or "torment" we face here is having to put up with never ending hypocrisy and self serving BS that the Chameleon calling himself Root seems to think is a service to mankind.
Truth be told, the Chameleon is nothing but an oppressive and boring babbler who is in love with the sound of his own voice.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#5644 Jul 7, 2013
Had a great MPG day. What appears to be a 47 mile electric range is really quite better when the miles driven per kwh's used is looked at.

My day came out to be 201 mpg.

What an amazing car!!!

iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#5645 Jul 7, 2013
PS ... at that rate, gas would have to come down to $2.00 per gallon for me to be at the 100 mpg level.

Prius is a good car, but during the summer, I get 4 times better mileage.

The problem with "knowledgeable" people is that they use EPA numbers instead of real world numbers.

EPA says 35 miles electric. My gauge says 57 miles electric. That's real world car facts.
Prometheus

Windsor, Canada

#5646 Jul 7, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
Had a great MPG day. What appears to be a 47 mile electric range is really quite better when the miles driven per kwh's used is looked at.
My day came out to be 201 mpg.
What an amazing car!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YFJMAt6k-bwXX
What's really amazing is that Volt has had 92 service bulletins since it was introduced three years ago.

That's gotta be a record. Hope GM gets all the kinks out of the car eventually.

Almost forgot...

Luvmyvolt claims the former NUMMI plant in Fremont was once a Ford plant.

Wrong!!! Ford was never involved with that Fremont operation.

Also--Luvmyvolt never did account for his trip up to Fremont the other day when he signed on with a different username and used some very offensive language.
Prometheus

Windsor, Canada

#5648 Jul 7, 2013
Tesla Recall 99 Percent wrote:
<quoted text>That's some great mpg brother. Wish I could say my mpg was that good.
Now if they can only get all the kinks fixed, Volt might turn out to be worth having.
But the thought of having 92 service bulletins in three years is a little daunting.
Perhaps Luvmyvolt is getting that great mileage going back and forth to the dealer getting the SBs fixed?
Prometheus

Windsor, Canada

#5650 Jul 7, 2013
Tesla Recall 99 Percent wrote:
<quoted text>Getting 4 times the mpg of a Prius is a good number. I can understand why so many Prius owners trade for a Volt.
Truth be told, most Prius owners aren't trading for Volt.
That's just a myth perpetrated by the resident pro Volt contingent.
Most Prius owners are concerned about the huge number of Volt service bulletins.
As are many prospective buyers now becoming aware that Volt is not without it's flaws.
92 service bulletins are not something to take lightly.
dr drue

Downers Grove, IL

#5652 Jul 7, 2013
Tesla Recall 99 Percent wrote:
<quoted text>Getting 4 times the mpg of a Prius is a good number. I can understand why so many Prius owners trade for a Volt.
95% of volt owners have sugar in their tank and are light in the loafers.FYI.
Prometheus

Windsor, Canada

#5654 Jul 7, 2013
Tesla Recall 99 Percent wrote:
Getting 4 times the mpg of a Prius is a good number. That's probably why so many Volt buyers are former Prius owners. Everybody knows you hate the Volt. Not everyone can like the same car. So far the backseat is safe.
But Volt has at least 4 times as many service bulletin glitches as any Prius.
At the end of the day, cars like Volt with so many problems won't last long in the market place.
I certainly hope Volt can get all those kinks worked out.
RPinIllinois

Granite City, IL

#5655 Jul 7, 2013
Prometheus,
In the first three years of Prius sales in the United States, the Prius had 88 technical service bulletins. But of course, you wouldn't mention that, would you.
Nor would you mention the fact that the Prius was first sold in Japan for three years prior to its introduction to the United States.
New technologies have issues. New models have issues. If the Volt isn't for you, so be it.
I personally love the idea of all of these cars. The Prius and other hybrids were only the first of many types of alternative vehicles. I would love to see CNG takes off. I love the idea of electric first, then gas. I would really like to see fuel cells make their way into the mainstream.
But what I like the most is that we are seeing more options for our transportation needs. I don't want everyone being forced to buy an alternative vehicle. I have an Outlook and an Impala (both quite used) and I like them because they give me a choice.
If I want a Volt, don't be such a hater.
Prometheus

Windsor, Canada

#5657 Jul 7, 2013
RPinIllinois wrote:
Prometheus,
In the first three years of Prius sales in the United States, the Prius had 88 technical service bulletins. But of course, you wouldn't mention that, would you.
Nor would you mention the fact that the Prius was first sold in Japan for three years prior to its introduction to the United States.
New technologies have issues. New models have issues. If the Volt isn't for you, so be it.
I personally love the idea of all of these cars. The Prius and other hybrids were only the first of many types of alternative vehicles. I would love to see CNG takes off. I love the idea of electric first, then gas. I would really like to see fuel cells make their way into the mainstream.
But what I like the most is that we are seeing more options for our transportation needs. I don't want everyone being forced to buy an alternative vehicle. I have an Outlook and an Impala (both quite used) and I like them because they give me a choice.
If I want a Volt, don't be such a hater.
I don't hate Volt.
Said that many times.
Just dislike tactics some folks use in making their presence felt.
And I set the record straight when those folks get carried away with their hyperbole.
I also prefer looking at things from all sides, not just one.
So my posts are simply to keep things balanced.
If you like Volt and want one, feel free to do whatever you wish.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#5660 Jul 7, 2013
Prometheus wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't hate Volt.
Said that many times.
Just dislike tactics some folks use in making their presence felt.
And I set the record straight when those folks get carried away with their hyperbole.
I also prefer looking at things from all sides, not just one.
So my posts are simply to keep things balanced.
If you like Volt and want one, feel free to do whatever you wish.
But you don’t set the record straight and you end up doing the same thing you FALSELY ACCUSE others of doing. You don’t tell the truth and you try to talk about things you either don’t know or don’t understand. You try to change the subject and goad people into responding to your nastiness. You are dishonest and your actions prove this. You are critical of the Volt on a pro Volt thread. You want to debate people. You don’t share good things about the Volt and when people try to share good things about the Volt you step in and disrupt.

Examples:
Prius still had TSB’s years after they started building them. You didn’t know this but you go on like a broken record page after page like a child about TSB’s, nobody cares. Even when everyone ignores you, here you come again.
You said Volt sales would be the same or worse, they were up 53.3%.
You went on and on about Volt incentives and failed to mention it was in response to the MSRP reduction of the Leaf prior.
Volt owns the largest piece of the pie in its segment. You respond with “but it’s a little segment” and then spew out some number about 600 (wherever that number came from) snd go on sbout an archer that competed with one person? Is that what is was?
The segment is getting bigger and bigger and growing fast. You say it’s not.

You are repeatedly challenged to prove your erroneous statements and you respond with rhetoric that has nothing to do with the accusation that YOU originally lodged.

We could go on for days. The comments are all here for anyone to see. You are critical of a car. The good thing is the more critical you are about a car brings more of an opportunity to prove you wrong with fact.

If you step up to the plate and arm yourself with factual information you might be taken seriously. At this point I highly doubt we’ll see this action from you as your behavior is so off balance it’s not even funny.

After all this I’m sure we won’t get any factual statement from you or a reason you do the things you do, just the usual FALSE accusations followed by a few names.
dr drue

Downers Grove, IL

#5661 Jul 7, 2013
Tesla Recall 99 Percent wrote:
<quoted text>And 99% of Tesla owners got the shaft from cr AND a broken backseat. Haha
98.4% of volt owners dont make a noise when they fart.Ya see cause their dung hole is so huge from over use!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!
Over Pced Cruze

Newtown, CT

#5662 Jul 7, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
Had a great MPG day. What appears to be a 47 mile electric range is really quite better when the miles driven per kwh's used is looked at.
My day came out to be 201 mpg.
What an amazing car!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YFJMAt6k-bwXX
Get a life! No wonder your relatives can't stand you and you hang around in Chevy dealer's garages.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#5663 Jul 7, 2013
Over Pced Cruze wrote:
<quoted text>
Get a life! No wonder your relatives can't stand you and you hang around in Chevy dealer's garages.
You messed your name up that time.
Prometheus

Manassas, VA

#5664 Jul 7, 2013
I haven't been screwed this hard since we found out Elton John was gay. This is what I will do to make a fresh start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_bleaching
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#5665 Jul 7, 2013
RPinIllinois wrote:
Prometheus,
In the first three years of Prius sales in the United States, the Prius had 88 technical service bulletins. But of course, you wouldn't mention that, would you.
Nor would you mention the fact that the Prius was first sold in Japan for three years prior to its introduction to the United States.

..........

alternative vehicle. I have an Outlook and an Impala (both quite used) and I like them because they give me a choice.
If I want a Volt, don't be such a hater.
Some people speak from a total lack of knowledge about the Volt. There have been service bulletins, but they have never been the type that cause an owner to bring the car in. Very minor. Almost all of them have been fixed via OnStar.

For instance, one of the bulletins was for the charging of the 12 volt battery. It seems that when they developed this car, the engineers never thought that people would go so long on electric only.

They engineered the car so that the 12 volt battery would stop charging when the main battery stopped charging. A few people, including myself, had their 12 volt battery die. Not a big deal. I called the dealership, jumped my car and they charged my battery for me.

I was told about the problem and I asked if I had to bring my car in for the programming. He said no and that the "glitch" would be fixed via OnStar. I got a notice from the tech when it was done.

I have never, ever had to take my car in other than the normal routine mtc.

The only "recall" was for the charger. But that was for all electric car chargers as the code was changed and they had to be up to code.

Even the big "recall", which was never a recall ... the upgrade for the battery cage ... never happened. GM sent a letter out to owners telling them that they could have the upgrade if they wanted to.

The national insurance institute for highway safety put out a bulletin to Volt owners stating that Volt owners who did not upgrade would not have their insurance raised compared to those who had the upgrade because they didn't consider it necessary.

The vast majority of owners did not upgrade.

You don't get a 93% ownership approval by putting out a piece of crap. Although some people try to make it look that way.

As stated, not one extra trip to the shop. All upgrades were either handled via OnStar, or when I brought it in for routine stuff, which has only been once.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#5666 Jul 7, 2013
Now, considering that my "35" mile electric car really gets 45-50 all day long in warmer weather and never under 36 in winter, the owners of the 2014's are really going to be happy.

They will get an official EPA rating of 41, which means they will get 50-55 all day long.

What an amazing car.

http://insideevs.com/breaking-2014-chevy-volt...
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#5667 Jul 7, 2013
Root wrote:
<quoted text>
But you don’t set the record straight and you end up doing the same thing you FALSELY ACCUSE others of doing. You don’t tell the truth and you try to talk about things you either don’t know or don’t understand. You try to change the subject and goad people into responding to your nastiness. You are dishonest and your actions prove this. You are critical of the Volt on a pro Volt thread. You want to debate people. You don’t share good things about the Volt and when people try to share good things about the Volt you step in and disrupt.
Examples:
Prius still had TSB’s years after they started building them. You didn’t know this but you go on like a broken record page after page like a child about TSB’s, nobody cares. Even when everyone ignores you, here you come again.
You said Volt sales would be the same or worse, they were up 53.3%.
You went on and on about Volt incentives and failed to mention it was in response to the MSRP reduction of the Leaf prior.
Volt owns the largest piece of the pie in its segment. You respond with “but it’s a little segment” and then spew out some number about 600 (wherever that number came from) snd go on sbout an archer that competed with one person? Is that what is was?
The segment is getting bigger and bigger and growing fast. You say it’s not.
You are repeatedly challenged to prove your erroneous statements and you respond with rhetoric that has nothing to do with the accusation that YOU originally lodged.
We could go on for days. The comments are all here for anyone to see. You are critical of a car. The good thing is the more critical you are about a car brings more of an opportunity to prove you wrong with fact.
If you step up to the plate and arm yourself with factual information you might be taken seriously. At this point I highly doubt we’ll see this action from you as your behavior is so off balance it’s not even funny.
After all this I’m sure we won’t get any factual statement from you or a reason you do the things you do, just the usual FALSE accusations followed by a few names.
Some people believe that Volt owners had to make 93 trips to the shop. Wow.

A rational, thinking person would ask themselves .... "would the approval rate be the highest in automobile history if they had to take their car to the shop 93 times?"

Now that is a very laughable thought.

Glitches in a car's software can be fixed via internet (OnStar), just like a personal computer. D U H

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