Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

There are 11784 comments on the taintedgreen.com story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius. In it, taintedgreen.com reports that:

Toyota has fallen to GM on the MPG front. The Japanese company continues to lose market.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#4504 May 20, 2013
The Real Silent Echo wrote:
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It has to be a sad life when somebody needs to use the screen name of another because they do not have the guts to debate. Kind of a sock cucker this one is. I wonder if his brat granddaugher is still turning tricks?
You know dolt, you are such a pathetic, little human being. And I use the term human being loosely.

Whoever is using your name obviously hates you. I don't hate you.

To quote Sixto Rodriguez:

"Hatred is too strong of an emotion to waste on someone you don't like."

I take great pleasure in knowing that you are a failure in debating me. You attack my grand daughter because you can't attack me on an intellectual level. Probably on any subject. I know it burns you that you have been one upped by someone you hate.

I don't need to hide behind your name to make you look bad. You make yourself look bad!

You wallow because that is all you have left. Your buddy from Canada loves your posts because he is letting you do his dirty work. Even to the point of attacking little 10 year old girls.

If you dare try debating me on an intellectual level, I'm here. Awaiting.

Otherwise, go ahead and wallow. You make yourself the buffoon.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#4505 May 21, 2013
The difference between Volt's "plastic" and others? GM engineering. This is one of the reasons why the SAE named the Volt "Best Engineered Car".

From the link:

"The design topped all contenders in the Powertrain category at the Society of Plastics Engineers (SPE) 2011 Automotive Innovation Awards competition."

http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/chevy...
IluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#4506 May 21, 2013
People who think the Chevy's IndyCar racing engine  is strictly a product of Llmor Engineering are sadly misinformed. Some open mouth and insert foot.

Llmor engineering is but a part of a team. The GM Global Advanced & Race Engine Engineering group is the main force behind the engine. The humble engineers from GM give credit to all members of the team. Unlike haters who claim only a single member of the team did all of the work.

In the end, GM put together the winning team.

http://prattmiller.com/news/article/169

From the link:

“Even though the four of us were individually recognized, it was the entire team that deserved recognition,” Kent said.“This award would not have been possible without the significant contributions by the GM Global Advanced & Race Engine Engineering group, Ilmor Engineering, Hitachi and our Chevrolet IndyCar teams"

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/chevr...
Gizmo-The Real Gizmo

Windsor, Canada

#4507 May 21, 2013
I found this quote applicable to LMVs passionate comments about his Volt....

"Some of its proponents are like religious zealots.
While misconceptions and incorrect statements about the Volt abound, often the most fanatic of its owners and proponents will relentlessly attack writers who disagree with the car or have reason to question its perfection.
In the automotive press, we call them “Voltophiles.”
They do more to make the car less appealing than they realize.
These are similar to the “EVangelists” who cannot stand anyone saying anything negative about any electric vehicle at any time."
Gizmo-The Real Gizmo

Windsor, Canada

#4508 May 21, 2013
Luvmyvolt seems to put a huge effort into defending his purchase of a Volt.

Something akin to a religious zealot according to one columnist.

Luvmyvolt also seems to regard anyone who speaks to his passion for Volt as a "hater"

Yet the words "hate, hatred, hater" etc seem to come far more from him than those he accuses.

One wonders who hates who?
Gizmo-The Real Gizmo

Windsor, Canada

#4509 May 21, 2013
Being as some folks relish stealing other's screen names, and those same folks seem to relish calling others "haters".........

I think it would be wise for me to change my screen name to "Hater".

Thinking about it.

Decision will be known if and when it happens.
The Hater

Windsor, Canada

#4510 May 21, 2013
Let's put LMVs claims to the test of reality.
(A pragmatic approach, not an expression of "hate" as LMV tends to lean on.)

Yes, Volts have not used a lot of gasoline.
But describing this as "saved" must be balanced by "costs".

It costs Volt buyers, not to mention Fed and State taxpayers, to buy Volts.

First, one must consider the credits (aka costs) provided by Fed and State governments (aka taxpayers).
Billions.
Do the math--units sold times $7500 per unit...billions

Now what about the stock swap provided by the Feds.(aka taxpayer)
Bought at $65 per share, selling at $30.
Billions.(Aka costs)
Do the math.
Billions.

Then what about the average 5 years it takes to amortize the higher cost of Volt.
Isn't this a cost? Most would agree.

Last but not least is the trade off Volt owners must live with.
Another cost.
If Volt is only used for local commuting, sure, gas is not used.
But on extended range use, gas is used, and Volt's economy isn't much different from a regular econobox.

So this is just a pragmatic approach, looking at both sides of the cost/savings equation.
Before raising flags for Volt, this really should be a consideration.
Professor Pepperwinkle

Springfield, NJ

#4511 May 21, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
The person who wrote this article that the hater posted was wrong on several levels and admitted so in the first sentence of the paragraph entitled
"Volt Gets 200 MPG Plus"
From the haters link:
"4/14/2013 This section, rescinded by the author, who concedes that his original premise was incorrect and who is not interested in re-writing this section to make it correct."
http://carnewscafe.com/2013/04/top-5-misconce...
He admits he was wrong and then refuses to re-write. Sounds like a hater to me. He did rescind, but it still appears in his article.
From the link:
"The engine must also run to provide heating or air conditioning for the passengers."
Wrong!!!!! My engine (nor any other Volt owner's engine) has never come on when AC or heating is on, except when I was in gas mode anyway. But the engine was already on!!! Duh!!! This is an absolute false statement. It is obvious that this person didn't even check that statement for accuracy. A simple call to GM or any Volt owner would have stopped him from embarrassing himself.
From the link:
"Added 4/13/2013: No combustion engine in the world is capable of 200+ MPG. Not even the Volt’s. To include any other fuel source into the MPG measurement is to instead measure miles per gallon equivalent, not the actual MPG. THIS IS WHAT THE VOLT'S ON-DASH READOUT IS GIVING, NOT ACTUAL MPG"
He is talking about the GAS ENGINE MPG ONLY. When I say, I have driven 11,000 miles and used only 25 gallons of gas, that is 440 mpg. This idiot who wrote this article thinks Volt owners are talking about gas only mpg.
Read it again haters: " To include any other fuel source (like electric?) into the MPG measurement is to instead measure miles per gallon equivalent, N O T T H E A C T U A L MPG."
Exactly! It is the actual mpg for the car. We don't care about the actual mpg for gas miles only because that isn't the purpose of the car!!! If a car travels 100 miles and uses only 1 gallon of gas, his mpg is 100 mpg minus charging costs.
He is talking about gas mpg only!!!! This hater refused to re-write this paragraph because he knew other haters would grab on and keep it forever and ever. In spite of the fact that he admits that he was wrong!!!
He also states that high octane fuel has less shelf life than regular. This is another falsehood. They have the same shelf life. In fact, there are reports that high octane stores a little longer.
http://carnewscafe.com/2013/04/top-5-misconce...
I think this hater wrote this article, knowing that other haters would read it and not even notice that he was talking about gas mpg only.
I will be the first to admit, my gas mpg is nowhere near 440 mpg. So what? The hater saw this article and failed to read into it to get the true meaning of what the author was saying.
You should read the links you post, hater. Next time you won't embarrass yourself so much.
Who Cares!
Professor Pepperwinkle

Springfield, NJ

#4513 May 21, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
The Chevy Volt's gas tank is a stainless steel, vacuum sealed tank.
When the operator presses the gas door button, a message appears on the dash screen telling the person to wait for the car to allow air into the system.
When the gas door is closed, the air is pumped out of the tank, thus creating a vacuum.
Gas can last for years in a vacuum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ywODG7QEFZwXX
Wow
Professor Pepperwinkle

Springfield, NJ

#4514 May 21, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
The difference between Volt's "plastic" and others? GM engineering. This is one of the reasons why the SAE named the Volt "Best Engineered Car".
From the link:
"The design topped all contenders in the Powertrain category at the Society of Plastics Engineers (SPE) 2011 Automotive Innovation Awards competition."
http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/chevy...
Who cares?
Professor Pepperwinkle

Springfield, NJ

#4515 May 21, 2013
IluvmyVolt wrote:
People who think the Chevy's IndyCar racing engine  is strictly a product of Llmor Engineering are sadly misinformed. Some open mouth and insert foot.
Llmor engineering is but a part of a team. The GM Global Advanced & Race Engine Engineering group is the main force behind the engine. The humble engineers from GM give credit to all members of the team. Unlike haters who claim only a single member of the team did all of the work.
In the end, GM put together the winning team.
http://prattmiller.com/news/article/169
From the link:
“Even though the four of us were individually recognized, it was the entire team that deserved recognition,” Kent said.“This award would not have been possible without the significant contributions by the GM Global Advanced & Race Engine Engineering group, Ilmor Engineering, Hitachi and our Chevrolet IndyCar teams"
http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/chevr...
What an ignoramus!
The Hater

Windsor, Canada

#4516 May 21, 2013
What Luvmyvolt claims is untrue.
Gasoline will go "stale" no matter what material a gas tank is made of.
Gasoline in a vacuum (volts "vacuum" isn't really much of a vacuum anyway), will slow down the degradation only slightly.
He tends to embellish.
Professor Pepperwinkle

Springfield, NJ

#4517 May 21, 2013
Gizmo-The Real Gizmo wrote:
Luvmyvolt seems to put a huge effort into defending his purchase of a Volt.
Something akin to a religious zealot according to one columnist.
Luvmyvolt also seems to regard anyone who speaks to his passion for Volt as a "hater"
Yet the words "hate, hatred, hater" etc seem to come far more from him than those he accuses.
One wonders who hates who?
LMV is a miser! He is consumed with sleazing free electricity, and defending his purchase of the dopey Volt. Even his relatives find him obnoxious.
The Hater

Windsor, Canada

#4518 May 21, 2013
Luvmyvolt (as usual) embellishes his rebuttal about Limor Engineering being contracted to GM to design GMs Indy Car engines.
Nobody said Limor was the only participant.
Luvmyvolt has taken a tad "poetic licence" in implying that was said.
But Limor did do all of the engineering and development for those engines.
GM, Hitachi, provided input re specifications.
The Hater

Windsor, Canada

#4519 May 21, 2013
Professor Pepperwinkle wrote:
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LMV is a miser! He is consumed with sleazing free electricity, and defending his purchase of the dopey Volt. Even his relatives find him obnoxious.
He certainly exhibits all the characteristics of a tightwad.
Also, he exhibits more "hatred" than those he accuses of it.
Just an old, insecure, and and cranky guy trying vainly to establish his relevance in his world perhaps?

He calls me a "hater" so often that I decided to change my screen name.
Maybe you should do the same?
What about "Hater 2".
The Hater

Windsor, Canada

#4520 May 21, 2013
Then Echo could be "Hater 3", and so on.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4521 May 21, 2013
The Hater wrote:
<quoted text>
He certainly exhibits all the characteristics of a tightwad.
Also, he exhibits more "hatred" than those he accuses of it.
Just an old, insecure, and and cranky guy trying vainly to establish his relevance in his world perhaps?
He calls me a "hater" so often that I decided to change my screen name.
Maybe you should do the same?
What about "Hater 2".
So your personality change from the stroke was temporary?
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4522 May 21, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
The person who wrote this article that the hater posted was wrong on several levels and admitted so in the first sentence of the paragraph entitled
"Volt Gets 200 MPG Plus"
From the haters link:
"4/14/2013 This section, rescinded by the author, who concedes that his original premise was incorrect and who is not interested in re-writing this section to make it correct."
http://carnewscafe.com/2013/04/top-5-misconce...
He admits he was wrong and then refuses to re-write. Sounds like a hater to me. He did rescind, but it still appears in his article.
From the link:
"The engine must also run to provide heating or air conditioning for the passengers."
Wrong!!!!! My engine (nor any other Volt owner's engine) has never come on when AC or heating is on, except when I was in gas mode anyway. But the engine was already on!!! Duh!!! This is an absolute false statement. It is obvious that this person didn't even check that statement for accuracy. A simple call to GM or any Volt owner would have stopped him from embarrassing himself.
From the link:
"Added 4/13/2013: No combustion engine in the world is capable of 200+ MPG. Not even the Volt’s. To include any other fuel source into the MPG measurement is to instead measure miles per gallon equivalent, not the actual MPG. THIS IS WHAT THE VOLT'S ON-DASH READOUT IS GIVING, NOT ACTUAL MPG"
He is talking about the GAS ENGINE MPG ONLY. When I say, I have driven 11,000 miles and used only 25 gallons of gas, that is 440 mpg. This idiot who wrote this article thinks Volt owners are talking about gas only mpg.
Read it again haters: " To include any other fuel source (like electric?) into the MPG measurement is to instead measure miles per gallon equivalent, N O T T H E A C T U A L MPG."
Exactly! It is the actual mpg for the car. We don't care about the actual mpg for gas miles only because that isn't the purpose of the car!!! If a car travels 100 miles and uses only 1 gallon of gas, his mpg is 100 mpg minus charging costs.
He is talking about gas mpg only!!!! This hater refused to re-write this paragraph because he knew other haters would grab on and keep it forever and ever. In spite of the fact that he admits that he was wrong!!!
He also states that high octane fuel has less shelf life than regular. This is another falsehood. They have the same shelf life. In fact, there are reports that high octane stores a little longer.
http://carnewscafe.com/2013/04/top-5-misconce...
I think this hater wrote this article, knowing that other haters would read it and not even notice that he was talking about gas mpg only.
I will be the first to admit, my gas mpg is nowhere near 440 mpg. So what? The hater saw this article and failed to read into it to get the true meaning of what the author was saying.
You should read the links you post, hater. Next time you won't embarrass yourself so much.
The hater got his bottom spanked, good job. The hater will often find something on the internet and post it as truth. It's easy to see. Volt is great!
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4523 May 21, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
The assumption that the idiot who wrote the article made is that the Volt will burn off all the gas if it begins to go stale.(The haters posted article).
First of all, the gas doesn't go stale. Gas, when stored in a tank, such as the Volt can last for years.
http://blog.gasbuddy.com/posts/Maintenance-Mo...
From the link:
"I don't advise using older fuel in expensive engines unless testing, but gasoline can hold for months and years if properly stored."
The engineers at GM picked a specific time to burn off some of the gas if pure electric has been used for months. The car does not, repeat, not burn off all of the gas. It only burns off enough so that just a few gallons added to the gas left over will extend the life of the fuel.
Most Volt owners report the gas doesn't burn off until about 10 - 12 months of pure electric. I only had 2 gallons in my tank when I got the message that the car was going to burn off some gas due to an extended period of time of no fuel used. It burned off 1 gallon. I had not used gas in 9 months. In those 9 months, I drove about 7,000 miles. During that time, my generator turned on 6 times to keep itself lubed. Less than .5 gallons were used for those 6 times. That means my car used 1.5 gallons of gas for those 7,000 miles.
I added 2 gallons and everything was fine and dandy.
Now, driving 40 miles electric per day for 10 months would be 12,000 of electric only driving. If the car only burns off half of a full tank, and about 1 gallon for all the engine maintenance procedures, that would be 12,000 miles driven using 5.5 gallons of gas.
Very true, the gasoline in a Volt will not go stale (the car will burn it off before this happens)and gas in a vacuum stays good for much longer. Again, the hater has selective reading. Good job on you and great job Volt engineers.
The Hater

Windsor, Canada

#4524 May 21, 2013
No at all Root.
Just decided that because you bozoz call me a Hater all the time, I should at least take the name.

By the way, we in Canada have just heard the news about the horrific devastation from a tornado near Oklahoma City.

Outr thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of that disaster.

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