Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

There are 10530 comments on the taintedgreen.com story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius. In it, taintedgreen.com reports that:

Toyota has fallen to GM on the MPG front. The Japanese company continues to lose market.

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Gizmo

Brockville, Canada

#4127 May 10, 2013
Root wrote:
I think the problem is you’re trying to figure the Volt cost by omitting the Bush era tax credits.
Not really.
They were included.
Without the credits, it's almost a wash between the high end Accord and Volt.
With credits, the Volt comes out ahead by far.

With or without credits, the basic Accord comes out ahead.
But that's not really a fair comparison because the basic Accord is really basic.
Gizmo

Brockville, Canada

#4128 May 10, 2013
Root wrote:
I think the problem is you’re trying to figure the Volt cost by omitting the Bush era tax credits.
What's with the snarky comebacks by LMV?
I made a promise,and fully intend to keep it, but there were a couple of simple conditions.
If that keeps up.......all bets are off.
Gizmo

Brockville, Canada

#4129 May 10, 2013
Root wrote:
I think the problem is you’re trying to figure the Volt cost by omitting the Bush era tax credits.
Read post 4120.
That's where you'll see it.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4130 May 10, 2013
Gizmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really.
They were included.
Without the credits, it's almost a wash between the high end Accord and Volt.
With credits, the Volt comes out ahead by far.
With or without credits, the basic Accord comes out ahead.
But that's not really a fair comparison because the basic Accord is really basic.
No, really

“With credits the Volt comes out way ahead.”
That is a correct statement.

Then you revert back to “but without tax credits” and “basic Accord.” That’s like saying 9+9=18 but if you don’t and the nine it’s considerably lower. And the latter is akin to comparing a ribeye to a top sirloin. Why not just say what your initial comment is “With credits the Volt comes out way ahead.” That’s what the car buyer looks for and that’s what car buyers have found when looking at any plug-in be it a Ford, Toyota, or GM.
It seems like you're always looking for something else to say.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4131 May 10, 2013
Gizmo wrote:
<quoted text>
What's with the snarky comebacks by LMV?
I made a promise,and fully intend to keep it, but there were a couple of simple conditions.
If that keeps up.......all bets are off.
Why do you ask me this? Ask him that. If I had to answer it’s probably because people make fun of the car he drives. Why? Who knows? Just above someone called it a steaming pos. You had nothing to say about that.

Then you come back with “if that keeps up”… that’s something you need to work on with him, not me.

If anything you should have come to realize that his political views are well opposite of mine while at the same time much closer to yours. Maybe you two can find some common ground on that.
Gizmo

Brockville, Canada

#4132 May 10, 2013
Root wrote:
<quoted text>
No, really
“With credits the Volt comes out way ahead.”
That is a correct statement.
Then you revert back to “but without tax credits” and “basic Accord.” That’s like saying 9+9=18 but if you don’t and the nine it’s considerably lower. And the latter is akin to comparing a ribeye to a top sirloin. Why not just say what your initial comment is “With credits the Volt comes out way ahead.” That’s what the car buyer looks for and that’s what car buyers have found when looking at any plug-in be it a Ford, Toyota, or GM.
It seems like you're always looking for something else to say.
Jesus.
No matter how or what I say you guys get all humpy backed.
I was doing my best to present a non judgemental, civil, and completely honest look at the numbers, and both you and LMV apparently don't see it in a completely negative way.

Well, don't blame me for cancelling the commitment.
Evidently you aren't of the same mind.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4133 May 10, 2013
Gizmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus.
No matter how or what I say you guys get all humpy backed.
I was doing my best to present a non judgemental, civil, and completely honest look at the numbers, and both you and LMV apparently don't see it in a completely negative way.
Well, don't blame me for cancelling the commitment.
Evidently you aren't of the same mind.
“Well, don't blame me for cancelling the commitment.”

What does that mean? Because we have a differing views about comparing a non standard car to a regular car and don’t agree with you, that allows you to “cancel the commitment.” Does this mean we go back to posting mean things? I really don’t think that is appropriate.

Where is the beef here anyway? Volt thread = volt topics. Nobody is making fun of other cars here. Nobody is saying Ford Cmax or prius or Nissan are this that or the other.
Gizmo

Canada

#4134 May 10, 2013
Root wrote:
<quoted text>
“Well, don't blame me for cancelling the commitment.”
What does that mean? Because we have a differing views about comparing a non standard car to a regular car and don’t agree with you, that allows you to “cancel the commitment.” Does this mean we go back to posting mean things? I really don’t think that is appropriate.
Where is the beef here anyway? Volt thread = volt topics. Nobody is making fun of other cars here. Nobody is saying Ford Cmax or prius or Nissan are this that or the other.
Two things:

I posted some real and objective numbers, based on links provided by LMV.
They're real numbers, straight out of basic math. Nothing hidden, nothing misrepresented, no surprises.
He immediately comes out with the same old, same old, snarky responses.
Why??

Then you start telling me what I should and should not be saying-- especially the part when I looked at basic Accord versus Volt.
If you go back to his original numbers, you'll see that he talked about comparing those two as well.
That's the only reason I mentioned it.
And you wax wrath about it.
Sheesh!!

All things considered, this forum and many others are akin to a Chinese Fire Drill!!
Any similarity to an intelligent and mature discussion is purely coincidental.
Gizmo

Canada

#4135 May 10, 2013
Regarding the "Commitment"
To hell with it.
Waste of time trying otherwise.
I'll just post whatever, wherever, and however I choose from now on.
And I'll simply ignore the BS which seems to be the rule here.
Vega Cor Volt 2013

Trumbull, CT

#4136 May 10, 2013
The mere mention of Ford's new C-Max Energi SEL, sends insecure Volt owners into hissy fits; too funny.
Vega Cor Volt 2013

Trumbull, CT

#4137 May 10, 2013
The Volt's sales are pathetic compared to that other Chevy engineering marvel; the Corvair. I doubt the Volt will be around too long.
Vega Cor Volt 2013

Trumbull, CT

#4138 May 10, 2013
The Volt's sales are pathetic compared to that other Chevy engineering master piece; the Vega. I doubt Volt sales will ever match the Vega's; the Volt won't be around that long.
Vega Cor Volt 2013

Trumbull, CT

#4139 May 10, 2013
Let us not forget those General Motors management and engineering geniuses, after buying Saab, they put daytime driving lights on American cars, and touted it as a innovative safety feature. Unfortunately for the dopes at GM nobody informed them that it's actually dark in Sweden during the daytime. These are the same management and engineering geniuses that have blessed us with the Volt. Too funny.
Gizmo

Canada

#4140 May 10, 2013
Vega Cor Volt 2013 wrote:
The mere mention of Ford's new C-Max Energi SEL, sends insecure Volt owners into hissy fits; too funny.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to make that claim. At least not yet.
But the competition is really heating up now.
It will be interesting to see what the sales comparisons look like 6 months from now.

We have been spending quite a bit of time lately away from home base.
Much of that has been in Toronto staying at hotels and taking cabs.
Today, we took a Prius EV cab to go to our plane at Toronto Island Airport.( We land there when visiting, and stay at the Marriott Residence downtown)
That was our first experience in an EV hybrid of any make or model.
I thought it a pretty decent ride.
Asked the driver how've felt about it and he really seemed positive.
More about that experience later.
Pete

Wyoming, MI

#4141 May 10, 2013
Wifey says:
"Chevy engineering master piece" huh?

That's a Big Joke on the people.

government motors doesn't even have IT yet...

and they just stuck MI Tax Payers in Milford for another $258 million$ tax break so they can email on computers "inhouse"...

let alone having a non-existent engineering dept....

and that's only after hiring all the laid off HP people on the American Tax Payers dime.

Too Funny.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4142 May 10, 2013
Gizmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Two things:
I posted some real and objective numbers, based on links provided by LMV.
They're real numbers, straight out of basic math. Nothing hidden, nothing misrepresented, no surprises.
He immediately comes out with the same old, same old, snarky responses.
Why??
Then you start telling me what I should and should not be saying-- especially the part when I looked at basic Accord versus Volt.
If you go back to his original numbers, you'll see that he talked about comparing those two as well.
That's the only reason I mentioned it.
And you wax wrath about it.
Sheesh!!
All things considered, this forum and many others are akin to a Chinese Fire Drill!!
Any similarity to an intelligent and mature discussion is purely coincidental.
You’re taking it the wrong way. I believe (in my opinion) your calculations are taken as offensive. It’s akin to saying “look if you did this” type of scenario. People usually don’t like to hear that type of talk about the car they drive. Why not just compare the car to an Escort?

I drive a truck, it’s a nice truck and it has the options, but I get awful gas mileage. If some person were talking smack about my gas mileage, that’s none of their business. If I had someone trying to say “hey look at these numbers and this and that, I’d laugh because again, it’s none of their business what I choose to drive. If you pick a Volt, or a Tesla, or a Cmax or a Leaf or a prius, whatever, feel happy with your purchase. That should be a freedom that deserves no retribution from anyone. I would probably feel inclined to support my purchase just as we see with the love Volt. What really is perplexing are the ones that want to talk bad about cars they don’t even like. Is it fear? Is it hate? Is it jealously? We hear the bitch about government subsides on a Volt, but not even a peep about the same subsidies on a Tesla. What kind of stink mess is that? For goodness sake, we have some fool talking about a Corvair, another babbling about “my hunday elantra” blah blah blah..on a freaking Volt thread. It’s a car! If you don’t like it don’t but it. How hard is that?

That’s my take anyway.

So any-who post away and make your heart content, while at the same time hoping these words resonate at least a bit.
Gizmo

Canada

#4143 May 10, 2013
Yes, your words resonate a bit, and I judge them as sincere.
That said, how anybody could see my posts (re those numbers) as offensive is beyond comprehension.
I repeatedly made it clear about not being incendiary, not taking sides, trying to simply look at clean numbers, etc, and still you folks come on like I sh-t in your dinner.
I've always been an open minded guy who doesn't think in straight lines (definitely left brained), and tried to make that clear in my posts.
I like to think that's why I've been so successful in business.(it got me this far anyway!)
But both you and your buddy LMV, insist otherwise--"oh yeah, you're just a hater; oh yeah we know you're just a wolf in sheep's clothing; oh yeah, you're just insulting our beloved car, a closet hater, a gay Canadian; rectal drip; an ex Marine liar, blah, blah, blah.
Well I'm sick of hearing that.
From now on, as I said, having witnessed this lated crap, I don't care what you or others think or say--I'll just do my thing and to he'll with it.
Screw 'em all---but save 6 for pallbearers!!.
I will be civil, but rest assured, I will be relentless..
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4144 May 10, 2013
Maybe your words won’t be taken in that manner, I don’t know. My point was to demonstrate another thought in play of what I expect it appears through the eyes of a an actual Volt owner. I’ve talked to them before and it’s true, they really do love these cars. To be perfectly honest I think it’s great that we have a Volt owner posting here. It gives us insight on the actual car. I find the you-tube videos are worth there weight also. It gives everyone a chance to see the interior, the electric range readings etc.

If we had a Ford or a Tesla or a toyota owner posting the same types of info that would be great too. Like I said before, the more exposure these cars have the better success rate they will enjoy.

I’m all for Volt (you know that) I’m also all in for the others in the field, from every maker. What blows my mind are the silly things people say about these cars regardless of which one it is.
Vega Cor Volt 2013

Trumbull, CT

#4145 May 10, 2013
Root wrote:
I’m all for Volt (you know that) I’m also all in for the others in the field, from every maker. What blows my mind are the silly things people say about these cars regardless of which one it is.
Gubamint motors should consider dropping a V8-6-4 in the Volt, or better yet a gasoline engine with diesel heads.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#4146 May 10, 2013
GM has contacted Sergio and they may put a Hemi in the Volt.

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