Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

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Toyota has fallen to GM on the MPG front. The Japanese company continues to lose market.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#3543 Apr 22, 2013
Society Of Automotive Engineers (SAE International is a global association of more than 128,000 engineers and related technical experts in the aerospace, automotive and commercial-vehicle industries.)

Oh no .... they named the Volt "Best Engineered Car" .... oh no .... are they a bunch of liars also? What is the world coming to?

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Pete

Wyoming, MI

#3544 Apr 23, 2013
What a joke...

gov motors is nothing more than poorly staged marketing hype on bailout...

as a matter of fact it has no technology of its own to speak of...

it doesn't even have it's own IT dept yet...

and still uses aol dialup.

Too Funny.

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Pete

Wyoming, MI

#3545 Apr 23, 2013
Pete wrote:
What a joke...

gov motors is nothing more than poorly staged marketing hype on bailout...

as a matter of fact it has no technology of its own to speak of...

it doesn't even have it's own IT dept yet...

and still uses aol dialup.

Too Funny.
Wifey says:
That's very true...

let's speak facts here as the obamamobile is a good example of this...

fact #1- a $45k golf cart that gets 30 mpg on high test gasoline...

fact #2- and catches on fire while setting in the garage...

plugged in or not.

fact #3- exists only on Tax Payer Bailout...

fact #4- for the only purpose of saving existing union jobs.

Too Funny.

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Pete

Shreveport, LA

#3546 Apr 23, 2013
What a joke...

toyota motors is nothing more than poorly staged marketing hype on bailout...

as a matter of fact it has no technology of its own to speak of...

it doesn't even have it's own IT dept yet...

and still uses aol dialup.

Too Funny.

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Pete

Shreveport, LA

#3547 Apr 23, 2013
Wifey says:
That's very true...

let's speak facts here as the toyota prius welfare mobile is a good example of this...

fact #1- a $45k golf cart that gets 30 mpg on high test gasoline...

fact #2- and catches on fire while setting in the garage...

plugged in or not.

fact #3- exists only on Tax Payer Bailout...

fact #4- for the only purpose of saving existing union jobs.

Too Funny.

I love my Volt.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#3548 Apr 23, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
Society Of Automotive Engineers (SAE International is a global association of more than 128,000 engineers and related technical experts in the aerospace, automotive and commercial-vehicle industries.)
Oh no .... they named the Volt "Best Engineered Car" .... oh no .... are they a bunch of liars also? What is the world coming to?
Happy to hear about the SAE, that says alot.

Revolutionary!
Silent Echo

Petersburg, VA

#3549 Apr 23, 2013
Again, you just got to love these Volt defenders. They talk about awards, they talk about who named it best engineered car and they talk about what they think about the volt. I speak of facts and bottom line sales. The volt is a sales flop, even people who run chevy stores will admit to it. By using simple math and the $400 a gallon price I have proven that the Volt would have to be driven for over 170,000 miles on nothing but electricity before the difference in price between a volt (cruze look alike) and a proven Hyundai Elantra and how many people keep a car for 170K miles and drive it only on less than 26 mile stints? I did not even figure in any charging cost into the equation. These little people can call me any name they wish, talk about how they worship their volt, however, they can NOT dispute my facts and figures.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#3550 Apr 23, 2013
Your facts were disputed and proven wrong. Please let me help you.

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Pete

Wyoming, MI

#3551 Apr 23, 2013
That's very true...

There was a study that said that its only union members would purchase a domestic all in hopes to save their jobs...

whereas the true costs are passed down to the Tax Payers with bailouts...

and it went on to say that whoever purchases those over rated and overpriced second rate autos...

such as the obamamobile are the real losers...

it's surprising to see how some can be talked into the marketing hype so easily.

Too Funny.
Pete

Wyoming, MI

#3552 Apr 23, 2013
Pete wrote:
That's very true...

There was a study that said that its only union members would purchase a domestic all in hopes to save their jobs...

whereas the true costs are passed down to the Tax Payers with bailouts...

and it went on to say that whoever purchases those over rated and overpriced second rate autos...

such as the obamamobile are the real losers...

it's surprising to see how some can be talked into the marketing hype so easily.

Too Funny.
Wifey says:
That's very true...

Just as the Prius is the best selling Hybrid...

the Nissan Leaf is the best in the EV market...

with the obamamobile as the bottom feeder.

Too Funny.
Pete

Wyoming, MI

#3553 Apr 23, 2013
Pete wrote:
Wifey says:
That's very true...

Just as the Prius is the best selling Hybrid...

the Nissan Leaf is the best in the EV market...

with the obamamobile as the bottom feeder.

Too Funny.
That's very true...

just like the obamamobile represents his embrace with the unions...

his socialist agenda has been made more transparent.

Too Funny.
Silent Echo

Petersburg, VA

#3554 Apr 24, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
Hyundia Elantra GT (tin can)$18,545
My Volt $31,800
Difference -$13,255
Gas for Elantra -$1,500 per year =$7,500 in 5 years.
Total cost in 5 years =$26,045
Cost of Volt minus $7,500 for money that is put in my stock account instead of a gas tank
$24,300.
After 5 years, the Elantra costs $2,000 more than my Volt.
This does not include the fact that I may never have to change my brakes. Also doesn't include that I have to change my oil only ever other year.
Sorry Dolter. You got your butt spanked on this subject before.
Kiplinger Investment Group says the Volt makes up the difference in price in 5 years over a Cruze, which is more expensive than an Elantra. Somebody needs to hone his math skills.
http://www.kiplinger.com/article/cars/T009-C0...
Once again Dolt, gas has to come down to $2.70 before I dip under the 100 mpg mark. Ahhhh .... don't get your feelings hurt. When you're at the pump, and you see me glide by in my awesome Volt .... flip me off. You'll feel better.
Elantra curb weight - 2,700 lbs (tin can)
Volt curb weight - 3,781 lbs (drives like a dream)
1,000 lbs heavier and still gets 100 mpg + more than the tin can.
Actually you are the one that is too funny, your volt cost 31,000 dollars? Either you are a liar or chevy got off of 10K from their MSRP just to sell that dog.

You may never have to purchase brakes for a car that in your words is over a thousand pounds heavier? Either you never drive your volt or it can not obtain a speed fast enough to need application of brakes.

You state that you get 100 MPG in your volt and yet the electric range is about 24 miles? Sounds like your volt is about the equal of an "Estate Car" as far as a primary vehicle.

Actually the Hyundai Elantra is a comfortable car as I just drove from the Richmond Va. area to Fort Lauderdale Florida. The only draw back is that the Elantra is geared to the road so much that I had to use the CC so as not to creep up on the 90MPH area on Rt. 95.

Say all you wish and use all the fuzzy math you wish, however, you can not alter the MSRPs of about 18K for the Elantra V the 41K for the volt = difference of 23K which (at 4.00 per gallon) purchases 5,750 gallons of gas which at even a low of 30MPG equals 172,500 miles of driving bought by the difference in price of the vehicles.

You also can not dispute the fact that the volt has NEVER made even Government Motor's projected sales goals.

Game set and match.

One last little thought, I can drive my Elantra on a 500 mile trip and use less than 15 gallons of gas and do it in one stop for gas as the car gets almost 400 miles per tank. This equates to about 8 hours at the normal 70 mph allowed on the interstate system and this allows for a comfort stop at a rest stop or quick stop type store as well as the gas stop. How long would that trip take in your volt if you use electric power OR how much would it cost to drive straight through on your little gas engine after the 26 mile electric range was used? Again, the volt is an interesting little 41K toy, however a flop as a primary car.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#3555 Apr 24, 2013
Your facts were disputed and proven wrong. Maybe if you get the cost and the electric range correct it would help you.

Volt is also best in class and the number one seller. Let me help you.

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Silent Echo

Petersburg, VA

#3556 Apr 24, 2013
Root wrote:
Your facts were disputed and proven wrong. Maybe if you get the cost and the electric range correct it would help you.
Volt is also best in class and the number one seller. Let me help you.
Once again, I will attempt to answer your emotional (devoid of verifiable fact) whine. You state my facts were disputed and proven wrong, OK, I went back and read both prices by the biggest chain of chevy stores in the USA and a report from Green Car Magazine.
When pulling up a Hendrick Auto Group search for Volts it had five on the Norfolk lot with the following prices.
New 2013 Chevy Volt Base Model selling for MSRP of 39,995 without dealer add ons. Two 2012 Volts that they would not give a price only stating "Call for Price".
One 2012 Chevy Volt with 14,695 miles for 31,888 and a 2012 with 2,240 miles on it for 39,999, I can only assume this one had one of several manufactures packages on it.
Chevy states that the MSRP of the 2013 Volt is 39,995 base before any dealer options or added cost with the average out the door price of the Volt being 43,275. All of these facts are on dealer and manufacture info on the internet, not my mind. The mind thing is your thing and not mine.
Green Car Magazine (which is very pro electric car and prone to give highest possible positive figures for them) states that in their newest test drive of the modified and extended range 2013 Volt the electric range has been improved to a high of 38 miles and an average of 33 miles depending on your driving style, type roads and hill or flat land operation. They also state that range is effected by use of the heater or air conditioner.
Ergo, allow me to slightly adjust my figures to be more in line with the up to the minute stats and reports on the volt.
43,000 out the door price on the Volt as opposed to 20,000 out the door price on the Elantra for a difference of 23,000 dollars which equates to 7,500 gallons of gas at $4.00 a gallon and at a low of 30MPH that would equate to 225,000 miles of driving for the Elantra. Ergo the owner of the Volt would have to drive the 225,000 on only battery power to make up the difference and this does not include charging cost.
In closing I have quoted the prices given by a current and very respected large chain of chevy store owner about the prices for new and used Volts as well as the used prices and out the door price. I have given facts and stats as reported by Green Car Magazine and all you have given is emotional whine and rants. Now which approach has the most credibility? I hope that I have broken this down to a point that EVEN YOU can understand.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#3557 Apr 24, 2013
Your facts were disputed and proven wrong. Maybe if you get the cost and the electric range correct it would help you.

Volt is also best in class and the number one seller. Let me help you. Truckin with garlic!

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Jim Smatters

Oklahoma City, OK

#3558 Apr 24, 2013
Our Volt returns about 120 - 140 miles per gallon and we didn't pay anywhere close to 41k. The car is absolutely wonderful.

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Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#3559 Apr 24, 2013
Comparing the tour de force Volt to a little cheap Hyundai? 26 miles on electric? 41k? Oh my, why not compare the Volt to a motorcycle too? The reasonable man compares cars to others that are comparable. Most Volt envy struck liberals won’t do this.

File this sarcastic guy in the hate file and forget.

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The Welfare Mobile

Trumbull, CT

#3560 Apr 24, 2013
Silent Echo wrote:
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Once again, I will attempt to answer your emotional (devoid of verifiable fact) whine. You state my facts were disputed and proven wrong, OK, I went back and read both prices by the biggest chain of chevy stores in the USA and a report from Green Car Magazine.
When pulling up a Hendrick Auto Group search for Volts it had five on the Norfolk lot with the following prices.
New 2013 Chevy Volt Base Model selling for MSRP of 39,995 without dealer add ons. Two 2012 Volts that they would not give a price only stating "Call for Price".
One 2012 Chevy Volt with 14,695 miles for 31,888 and a 2012 with 2,240 miles on it for 39,999, I can only assume this one had one of several manufactures packages on it.
Chevy states that the MSRP of the 2013 Volt is 39,995 base before any dealer options or added cost with the average out the door price of the Volt being 43,275. All of these facts are on dealer and manufacture info on the internet, not my mind. The mind thing is your thing and not mine.
Green Car Magazine (which is very pro electric car and prone to give highest possible positive figures for them) states that in their newest test drive of the modified and extended range 2013 Volt the electric range has been improved to a high of 38 miles and an average of 33 miles depending on your driving style, type roads and hill or flat land operation. They also state that range is effected by use of the heater or air conditioner.
Ergo, allow me to slightly adjust my figures to be more in line with the up to the minute stats and reports on the volt.
43,000 out the door price on the Volt as opposed to 20,000 out the door price on the Elantra for a difference of 23,000 dollars which equates to 7,500 gallons of gas at $4.00 a gallon and at a low of 30MPH that would equate to 225,000 miles of driving for the Elantra. Ergo the owner of the Volt would have to drive the 225,000 on only battery power to make up the difference and this does not include charging cost.
In closing I have quoted the prices given by a current and very respected large chain of chevy store owner about the prices for new and used Volts as well as the used prices and out the door price. I have given facts and stats as reported by Green Car Magazine and all you have given is emotional whine and rants. Now which approach has the most credibility? I hope that I have broken this down to a point that EVEN YOU can understand.
We'll all get a good laugh when that financial genius, iluvmyVolt, crunches these latest numbers.

BTW, Neutered Root the vile Volt guttersnipe should be the honorary toastmaster at the next Volt pep rally. What a loser!

Expect another good laugh when Neutered Root responds.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#3561 Apr 24, 2013
I recommend everyone get a test drive just to experience the car. It's actually quite a blast to drive. It does have nearly 300lb-ft of torque, so it does zip -- which keeps surprising people at lights.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#3562 Apr 24, 2013
More emotonal rants from welfare dolt echo boy. Garlic?

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