Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius

There are 11784 comments on the taintedgreen.com story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius. In it, taintedgreen.com reports that:

Toyota has fallen to GM on the MPG front. The Japanese company continues to lose market.

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Pete

Byron Center, MI

#3464 Apr 11, 2013
Pete wrote:
Wifey says:
Cool facts you say?

"A growing number of engineers now say the lithium-ion battery revolution has stalled, undercut by high costs, technical complexity and safety concerns.

"Smart people have been working on this for 10 years already and no one is close to a new kind of battery," http://nlpc.org/stories/2013/04/11/chevy-volt ... ;

Too Funny.
That's very true...

Facts only:

"Their aim is to build a battery strong enough to power a wider range of vehicles, something they think the current cutting-edge technology - lithium ion - can't do cheaply, particularly given recent safety scares."

"These people say expectations were set too high, too fast. People projected that "clean technology" batteries would shrink in size and weight at the speed of the microchip revolution. That hasn't happened, and it won't any time soon. "We're not going to see a different chemistry, unless we're very lucky, for decades." " http://news.yahoo.com/rethinking-lithium-ion-...

Too Funny.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3466 Apr 12, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
When I first studying up for the future purchase of an electric, I came across this company.
http://wrightspeed.com/
They have been converting fleet trucks to electrics for many years. I had the idea of converting my old cargo van to an electric with batteries on the floor to use it strictly as a hauler. They only do fleets.
Anyway, they make this car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed_X1
0-60 just under 3 seconds. It is limited to 167 mph. The cool part about it is the conductive charging. That is the future for electrics.
Some analysts say that when ranges get up to a true 400 - 500 miles, hotels will have parking spaces with conductive chargers buried below. You can charge overnight and go your marry way the next morning. Some say that some hotels may use solar and not charge for the charge. That remains to be seen.
Cool stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Hc94QvJc5VAXX
Interesting links
Gizmo

Toronto, Canada

#3467 Apr 12, 2013
Pete

Fuel cell technology is there now.
Prototypes are already out and running around the country quite successfully.
At least one automaker will have a fuel cell vehicle on the market in 2015.
Battery power is an interim step in the evolution of green cars.
You're correct about battery development not having much more potential.
Volts for Dolts

Newtown, CT

#3468 Apr 12, 2013
Pete wrote:
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That's very true...
all the while the obamamobile is still #1 TARP loser...
still scumming off the Tax Payer dole for survival.
Too Funny.
LOL, yes we are living in a new America. An America where leeching off the taxpayers is now perfectly acceptable by almost 50% of it's residents. So on April 15th we will offically re-brand the Government Motors Volt; the "Welfare Mobile".
Volts for Dolts

Newtown, CT

#3469 Apr 12, 2013
Gizmo wrote:
An example of free speech posted by Mr. Root two days ago in this forum:
Quote:
"Jizz we know you didn't fight. Canadians have no stomach for fighting. That's why you are canada. Spit in face".
Nice.
Gizmo, Root's vile, disgusting posts are a permanent record on this forum. Now he's trying to change his image; but a lowlifes like root rarely change.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3470 Apr 12, 2013
Poor dolt, he tries and tries.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3471 Apr 12, 2013
Chevy Volt Pounds Another Nail In The Coffin Of Range Anxiety

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/05/chevy-vol...
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3472 Apr 12, 2013
900 miles between fill-ups!
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3473 Apr 12, 2013
900 miles between fill-ups is great. That's a lot of saved money for sure.
Gizmo

Toronto, Canada

#3474 Apr 12, 2013
Volts for Dolts wrote:
<quoted text>
Gizmo, Root's vile, disgusting posts are a permanent record on this forum. Now he's trying to change his image; but a lowlifes like root rarely change.
I agree, and most assuredly, anyone with a shred of decency would agree also.
Vile and disgusting indeed.
Even worse, others routinely get blamed as the cause of it.
That aberration speaks even louder than vile and disgusting.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3475 Apr 12, 2013
Gizmo wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, and most assuredly, anyone with a shred of decency would agree also.
Vile and disgusting indeed.
Even worse, others routinely get blamed as the cause of it.
That aberration speaks even louder than vile and disgusting.
I thought you were going to stop the back and forth now you stat criticizing again? Whatís the deal?
Gizmo

Toronto, Canada

#3476 Apr 12, 2013
Root wrote:
<quoted text>I thought you were going to stop the back and forth now you stat criticizing again? Whatís the deal?
Root, I responded courteously and truthfully to a post addressed to me.
If you find fault with that, there's nothing I can do about it.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#3477 Apr 12, 2013
Considering the topic, you knew better to respond with more antagonizing remarks. If you donít understand that, thereís a definite problem. You either want a better forum or you donít.
Gizmo

Toronto, Canada

#3478 Apr 12, 2013
Root wrote:
Considering the topic, you knew better to respond with more antagonizing remarks. If you donít understand that, thereís a definite problem. You either want a better forum or you donít.
Please Root, no more lectures about what's right or wrong in these forums.
Your have repeatedly demonstrated your preference for posting antagonizing remarks in the most distasteful and crass manner possible.
By definition, you really aren't in any position to criticize or lecture others about any level of conduct or content.
I would really appreciate it if you would keep me out of any future remarks from you.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#3479 Apr 12, 2013
Root wrote:
<quoted text>I thought you were going to stop the back and forth now you stat criticizing again? Whatís the deal?
Someone is calling the kettle black. The dolter wrote this:

Joseph Goebbels wrote:
<quoted text>
A Volt pep rally, you really need to get a life. Of all the cars I've owned I don't recall ever hanging out at the dealer; did they have a band and cheerleaders.
Now all at once raise your right hand and repeat over and over: I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt ..........

This is the haters answer.

Well and truly said.
Now what do you think about Mr. Root's latest round of ridiculous nonsense?

"well and truly said". He calls attacking me, "well and truly said".

I guess they have never heard of car clubs. The Corvette Owners Club of America is helping Volt owners organize a Volt Owners Club Of America.

I can just imagine the reaction from the dolter and the hater when I post those videos.

But as the dolter saide " Of all the cars I've owned I don't recall ever hanging out at the dealer". So that proves he has never had an awesome car.

My two Sevilles were my babies. I loved those cars. But I would never have gone to a "Seville owners clinic" at the dealership.

However, I may go back to Cadillac. The ELR is such a cool car. It will even have a paddle shifter. The shifter is not really for gearing down, as these cars are single speed, direct drive cars. It will simply be a way to make the E motor "gear down" for maximum regenerative actions. Knowing the brilliant engineers at GM, it will feel like a race car.

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/04/new-cadillac...

I guess I just love my Volt so much, I can't help it. But besides that, they have Volt engineers there to answer questions, along with the technicians. We also get 20% off certificates for anything in the dealership store. Cool stuff. And awesome food!

The dolt, pete and the hater are angry. Let them vent. Otherwise their heads would explode. I chose not converse with them.

I look at it this way. They are going to attack me either way. So why bother?

Anyway ... check out the link to the new ELR. If I wasn't retired, I would get it next year. We'll see.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#3480 Apr 12, 2013
I guess the folks at Pete's link never heard about these.

Petes link:

http://news.yahoo.com/rethinking-lithium-ion-...

Near future L.I. Batteries will store 4 times the energy.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20...

This study predicts 5 to 10 times the energy. Lithium air batteries.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/510311/b...

This Japanese study says L.I. Batteries could give a 700 mile range with their new system.

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech...

Scientists create a L.I. battery that can be charged 100 times faster than today's L.I. batteries. Is this technology close at hand? Probably not. But given that other technologies are 10 to 15 years away before they even get off the ground, this is quite feasible.

http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php...

The average life span of a 12 volt car battery is 50 months, or about 50,000 miles. An argument can be made that, since the 12 volt battery is only used to start the car (for the most part), it should last much longer than an electric car battery which is used to propel those cars. Yet, electric car batteries have easily logged in 200,000 miles + in cab fleets.

This is from Pete's link: Paragraph 16. "Tom Gage, a battery expert whose company EV Grid works on ways to manage the charging of electric cars, says lithium-ion may be a little more "tempestuous" than other technologies, but is the best industry now has and he's confident it will improve."
"It's just a technological challenge," he said.

Tom Gage is a battery expert who doesn't have any interest in the type of batter, only the management of charging them.
Nearly every technology on the face of the earth will be replaced in 50 years. Those that remain will bear no resemblance to today's technology.

Point being, nothing is perfect. Everything will be improved. Pete forgot to mention that.

Reading the 3 links above, the future for L.I. batteries is bright. Will they be replaced with a better technology? Of course they will. There is no other technology on the near horizon that will replace them soon.

The problem with fuel cell cars:

Too much infrastructure. You still need to take a trip to the station.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/pump-it-...

http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/09/fuel-cel...

Considering the bright new for L.I. batteries,(above links), my infrastructure will be my wall plug. All I will need to do is park over a conductive charging charger in a parking lot.

The problem with fuel cell cars:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency...

By the time these problems are all figured out, electric cars will have a 15 year head start.

And who knows. Maybe L.I. batteries will be out by then. Doubtful. But, I will have saved over $22,000 in gas. Add to that my credit and you have almost $30,000. By that time, electric cars will be much cheaper. That savings will probably buy me a new car.

Can't do that in a gas car.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#3481 Apr 12, 2013
Someone is calling the kettle black. The dolter wrote this:

Joseph Goebbels wrote:
<quoted text>
A Volt pep rally, you really need to get a life. Of all the cars I've owned I don't recall ever hanging out at the dealer; did they have a band and cheerleaders.
Now all at once raise your right hand and repeat over and over: I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt I Love My Volt ..........

This is the haters answer.

Well and truly said.
Now what do you think about Mr. Root's latest round of ridiculous nonsense?

"well and truly said". He calls attacking me, "well and truly said".

I guess they have never heard of car clubs. The Corvette Owners Club of America is helping Volt owners organize a Volt Owners Club Of America.

I can just imagine the reaction from the dolter and the hater when I post those videos.

But as the dolter saide " Of all the cars I've owned I don't recall ever hanging out at the dealer". So that proves he has never had an awesome car.

My two Sevilles were my babies. I loved those cars. But I would never have gone to a "Seville owners clinic" at the dealership.

However, I may go back to Cadillac. The ELR is such a cool car. It will even have a paddle shifter. The shifter is not really for gearing down, as these cars are single speed, direct drive cars. It will simply be a way to make the E motor "gear down" for maximum regenerative actions. Knowing the brilliant engineers at GM, it will feel like a race car.

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/04/new-cadillac...

I guess I just love my Volt so much, I can't help it. But besides that, they have Volt engineers there to answer questions, along with the technicians. We also get 20% off certificates for anything in the dealership store. Cool stuff. And awesome food!

The dolt, pete and the hater are angry. Let them vent. Otherwise their heads would explode. I chose not converse with them.

I look at it this way. They are going to attack me either way. So why bother?

Anyway, check out the new ELR. If I wasn't retired, I would buy it next year.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#3482 Apr 12, 2013
I knew it would post twice. I waited a couple of minutes and re-loaded the site and it still wasn't there. Oh well, some things need to be said twice.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#3483 Apr 12, 2013
Root wrote:
900 miles between fill-ups!
I mentioned before that the dealership gave me gas I didn't want. Had it not been for that fill up, I would have purchased it anyway. So, that is two fill ups (the dealership's first free tank, and the dealership's second free tank).

I have now purchased 8 gallons of gas on top of that. So that is 3 full tanks in 11,900 miles. About 1 tankful every 4,000 miles.

Awesome car.

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Root

Shreveport, LA

#3484 Apr 12, 2013
Gizmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Please Root, no more lectures about what's right or wrong in these forums.
Your have repeatedly demonstrated your preference for posting antagonizing remarks in the most distasteful and crass manner possible.
By definition, you really aren't in any position to criticize or lecture others about any level of conduct or content.
I would really appreciate it if you would keep me out of any future remarks from you.
Donít address me or any of my masterpiece postings and you wonít have anything to worry about!

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