G.M. OWNERS SUFFER (MORE PROBLEMS with newer cars)

[Hondata]

Have you or are you currently having any of the following problems:

Coolant Leak
Coolant Odor
Constantly Adding Coolant
Milky Colored Oil
Milky or whitish substance on either the dipstick or oil fill cap
You are not alone! 1000's of other consumers with 3.8 liter V 6 engines have experienced the same exact problems. The problems are caused by known defects with:

upper intake manifold/gasket
throttle body nuts
throttle body gasket

The defects involve a wide range of 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 makes and models of cars with 3.8 liter V6 engines including

Buick LeSabre
Buick Park Avenue
Buick Regal
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Pontiac Bonneville
Pontiac Grand Prix
If you own a Buick, Chevrolet or Pontiac with a 3.8 liter V 6 engine and have experienced any of the above symptoms, please take a moment to tell us your story. A nationally recognized consumer advocacy firm is gathering information from consumers (specifically in New Jersey) to force GM to recognize the problem and remedy the situation, and to bring satisfaction to consumers. By filling out the form below and telling us about the problems you've had, you will assist us in the litigation process and also will be notified of any developments in the class action suit.

[Hondata]

A number of consumers have recently reported problems with their Chevrolet Equinox. Some of the complaints that we have seen repeatedly include:

Foul Odors - numerous consumers are reporting smelling a foul odor coming from the engine or the air conditioning system of the Equinox. The problem often occurs when the engine is hot, and reportedly fills the passenger area with what one consumer called "a dead animal smell". The problem seems to be caused by defective coolant hoses that react to the Dexcool in the engine coolant. The coolant causes the hoses to decompose turning the coolant brown and causing the foul odor.

Grinding Noise - consumers report are grinding or rubbing noise coming from the front of the Equinox while driving at slow speeeds or while turning. The problem has been identified as bad struts and Chevrolet has issued several TSB's on the problem. Unfortunately, consumers report that the problems remain even after having the struts replaced numerous times.

Check Engine Light - We have heard many complaints that the Check Engine light goes on and that dealers have been unable to find the cause despite many attempts to do so.

Water Leak - Several consumers are reporting that they are having problems with water leaks in their Equinox. The most common symptom appears to be water leaking into the tire well, although there have been symptoms of leaks elsewhere in the cabin.

Whether due to a design or manufacturing issue, or a result of poor responsiveness by the dealer, if you are unsatisfied with the efforts made to repair your Chevrolet Equinox under warranty service, we can help. Simply fill out and email our free case review form or call us at 1-800-LEMON-LAW (1-800-536-6652). We will be glad to review your case at no charge.

[Hondata]

Are you a GM truck owner experiencing from loud knocking or excessive engine noise? You are not alone! 1000's of other consumers are also reporting these symptoms. What you may be suffering from is the now infamous phenomenon known as Piston Slap.

What is Piston Slap?

Piston slap is caused when there's too much space between the piston and the cylinder wall. The piston moves up and down in the cylinder and the extra clearance results in a greater amount of rocking in the cylinder, producing a loud knocking noise. Vehicles with the engine knock problem include 1999 - 2002 GMC and Chevy pickups and sports-utility models with 3.1, 3.4, 4.3, 4.6 (Northstar), 4.8, 5.3, 5.7(LS1), 6.0 or 8.1 liter engines. Specific models include (but may not be limited to): Chevrolet Silverado, Tahoe and Suburban, GMC Sierra, Yukon and Yukon XL. The 2002 Cadillac Escalade SUV also reportedly suffers from the problem.

Can Piston Slap damage my engine?

GM spokeswoman Deborah Frakes states: "the only known effect of this condition is an audible sound that typically occurs during the first five to thirty seconds after starting" and that "the condition does not create any degradation of durability, performance or safety." In fact, in several of their Technical Service Bulletins (TSB's), GM claims that the "Cold Start Knock" is normal.

Consumers have differing opinions. GM truck owners complain that piston slap damages the engine and causes excessive oil and fuel consumption. Many consumers suffering from piston slap report that the knocking is constant, lasting well beyond the initial start-up, and appears regardless of the temperature. Additionally, consumers argue that the problem lowers the value of their vehicle when they try to sell it or trade it in. In a recent article in the Detroit Free Press, Charlie Vogelheim, an executive from Kelly Blue Book, said " a knocking engine could lower the value of a vehicle by $4000 to $6000 at trade-in."

[Hondata]

Avalanche owners - is there water leaking into your cab? Are your carpets consistently wet after it rains? Are they damp after washing your truck? Does your carpet smell of mildew? You are not alone! Water leaking into the cabin is the number one reported complaint from Chevrolet Avalanche users. If you are experiencing problems with water leaking into your cab, you may have a legitimate claim for recovery under the lemon law.

In a survey on the Chevy Avalanche Fan Club Forum, 132 Avalanche owners reported having problems with water leaking into their cabs. Despite numerous TSB's (technical service bulletins) attempting to fix the various water leaks, over 80% of those Avalanche owners are still reporting water leaks in their cabs.

Some of the most common reported problems include:

defective seals around the extended cab doors
defective seals between the seams between sheet metal parts by the rear seat belt mounts
defective seams in the front and rear wheel wells
defective rubber seals or weather stripping around the midgate
problems with the water management system
poorly designed water drains inside the rear of the cab
Not only are these reported problems inconvenient (one Chevy Avalanche owner reported one inch of water in the floor of his cab after an 8 hour drive!), but they could also be dangerous. On page 8-1117, Volume 4 of the GM authorized service manual from Helm Inc. states:

"Caution: If any water enters the vehicle's interior up to the level of the carpet or higher and soaks the carpet, the sensing and diagnostic module (SDM) and the SDM harness connector may need to be replaced. The SDM could be activated when powered, which could cause the deployment of the airbag(s) and result in personal injury."

[Hondata]

Paint problems with new Impala by robsandi Jun 25, 2007 (7:45 am)
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I have so many paint chips on my hood it looks like polka dots of gray against the red. Took it to my dealer and his response "it's stone picks". I have had this car only two months. I have already had a tire sensor replaced. I will keep fighting this. No wonder GM is in trouble. I thought about a Toyota full size car and now I know what a mistake I made not buying one. I am totally disgusted, this was my retirement car and now I will spend my days fighting with GM. Some retirement

[Hondata]

I have a 2007 Royal Blue Impala and this is also happening to my car. I have spots on my hood, roof, trunk and the driver side panals. When I first brought my car in the service manager picked the paint off the one spot while trying to tell me it was bird poop or sap. Then he realized what he did and then went in. THe other guy I think the owners son came out and said it was "fall out" When he reallized I didnt live in Sudbury he said I should wait for the service mng. The following week when I brought it in he tried the FALL OUT thing and then tried to tell me it was the acid in the bugs. I'm not an idiot. They tried to tell me it would not be covered under warrenty. BUll SHit I said. SEEN as though they CARED they would take it in and fix it. But at first they didnt want to sand the factory paint off.....When I went in to see my car the only part that had not been sanded down to the primer was the passenger side. I freaked I told THe service manager that it had better be the same as the day I got it... He said it should....he then told me that they had to take the interior panal off to take the onstar antana apart to paint it. Now I am just fumming. 3 days later they called and said "they werent finished but the car would be left out in the parking lot for the weekend and wanted to know if we would take it home. Of course. When I got the car there were lumps in the new paint from debris. and dimples in the paint from a poor job. We voiced out concerns right away and they said "IT looked good when we took it out of the shop" On top of all this the first week I got the car there were actual chunks of treads missing from my tire which they had to replace and now the Onstar computer is not working. So now we have to wait for the onstar computer to come in so they can TRY and fix the paint AGAIN. Sorry about going on but I am soooo Upset that dealer ships can take advantage of people like this and get away with it. When I walk in there you can see it on their faces that they dont want to bother with me. THe guy I bought it off of doesnt even say hi....

[thecontiki]

Hondata wrote:

Have you or are you currently having any of the following problems:
Coolant Leak
Coolant Odor
Constantly Adding Coolant
Milky Colored Oil
Milky or whitish substance on either the dipstick or oil fill cap
You are not alone! 1000's of other consumers with 3.8 liter V 6 engines have experienced the same exact problems. The problems are caused by known defects with:
upper intake manifold/gasket
throttle body nuts
throttle body gasket
The defects involve a wide range of 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 makes and models of cars with 3.8 liter V6 engines including
Buick LeSabre
Buick Park Avenue
Buick Regal
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Pontiac Bonneville
Pontiac Grand Prix
If you own a Buick, Chevrolet or Pontiac with a 3.8 liter V 6 engine and have experienced any of the above symptoms, please take a moment to tell us your story. A nationally recognized consumer advocacy firm is gathering information from consumers (specifically in New Jersey) to force GM to recognize the problem and remedy the situation, and to bring satisfaction to consumers. By filling out the form below and telling us about the problems you've had, you will assist us in the litigation process and also will be notified of any developments in the class action suit.

AND THE DOMESTICS LOVERS SAYS THAT THEY ARE GETTING BETTER not the case just lip service.

Same old, same old...... Somethings never change..

[Hondata]

I also have an '07 Classic W/T with the V-6. It has 1700 miles on it (mostly highway). I'm taking it in today for a rattle or scraping sound from the passenger side that quits when I step on the brakes. The brakes also "pulse" when I come to a stop. I washed the truck two weeks ago and already the front wheels are covered with brake dust. If you think you may have a lemon save all your paper work from the service department.

[Hondata]

I also bought a '07 Silverado 1500 Classic work truck. In the last few months...the driver's seat has been making squeeking and crunching noises. I took it into the dealership on 9/4/2007 and the service tech had it for 4 hours and found that the rear "pinch welds" on the driver's seat had broken. They rescheduled me to come back in on 9/24/2007 to have it re welded. Today is 10/2/2007 and I still have not gotten my truck back. I keep getting messages from the service manager stating "we've ordered the seat track assembly and hope that fixes the noises". I have been trying to search the internet for diagrams on this seat assembly proceedure and have no luck finding anything relating to a simple diagram or assembly proceedure for these truck seats to know what they are talking about. Apparently there were a few other people on other consumer car websites that have mentioned the same seat problems. There have been no recalls or service bulletins posted about this problem. This seems to be a major SAFETY ISSUE if you are in an accident and the seat breaks loose. I may have to consult my attorney about the lemon law proceedures since it is a relative safety issue due to poor manufacturing.

[Hondata]

I have a '07 GMC Sierra Classic that I dropped off yesterday at the dealer's service dept. because of a knocking sound coming from the passenger side floor board. They called and said that it was the body mount. One of the bolts had too much play in it. Said it would take 2 1/2 hrs. to fix. And I don't have running boards.

[Hondata]

Ben B wrote:

note that nobody posts anything besides hondata and contiki.

And you DA!

[Truckin]

Hondata wrote:

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And you DA!

You mean to say "Duh" not "DA!"

[Hondata]

Truckin wrote:

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You mean to say "Duh" not "DA!"

DA!

[Truckin]

Wow, reduced to childish jibberish! I love it.

[Hondata]

Truckin wrote:

Wow, reduced to childish jibberish! I love it.

You control the child!

[Truckin]

Congratulations Hon-lack-of-data you have just dookied up another forum.

[Hondata]

Truckin wrote:

Congratulations Hon-lack-of-data you have just dookied up another forum.

WHAT IS YOUR DEAL TRUCKER? I POSTED THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT GM PROBLEMS, WHAT IS WRONG. ITS THE WRONG BRAND FOR YOU AND YOUR THUG BASHING IMPORT HATERS? ITS ABOUT CARS AND AUTOS AND TRUCKS. ITS REAL LIFE PEOPLE NOT MADE UP. TILL YOU AND OTHERS START YOUR WHINE!!!!

[Larry Halverson]

We have a 2003 Buick LeSabre which emits foul odors whenever the heater is in use which is a lot living in Minnesota. we have not been able to get the problem resolved.

[Bush]

Larry Halverson wrote:

We have a 2003 Buick LeSabre which emits foul odors whenever the heater is in use which is a lot living in Minnesota. we have not been able to get the problem resolved.

That would be the lindberger cheese that someone on the line smeared across your heating core for a joke.This is an old joke on the line pulled on many american buyers.

[BUBBAJAMES]

how was your trip hondata. you been gone a while.