Will the Big Three Automakers Survive?

Nov 11, 2008 Full story: www.findingdulcinea.com 130

Some politicians and economists want to let GM, Ford and Chrysler sink, while others propose offering a chunk of the bank bailout to the ailing U.S. automakers.

Full Story
First Prev
of 7
Next Last
Carl

New York, NY

#1 Nov 11, 2008
The bailout package dispensation has gotten out of control. I'm not doing so well..maybe the Feds should hand me a millions bucks. Jeez.
molly

Long Island City, NY

#2 Nov 11, 2008
i agree. pretty soon the government will be bailing out every industry that's in trouble.
Martha

Long Island City, NY

#3 Nov 11, 2008
Car production was once a backbone of American industry. We've deteriorated so far, outsourced so much of what made us self-reliant, that everyone has lost sight of the fact that we were once a strong, capable, industrious nation. We need to bailout the car companies, and give them incentive to produce cars here - create jobs and industry here, not abroad. However, this must be a slow shift away from outsourcing labor; we don't want to create a hole in the global economy.

Since: Aug 07

Trumbull CT

#4 Nov 11, 2008
molly wrote:
i agree. pretty soon the government will be bailing out every industry that's in trouble.
Government has a huge hand in the collapse of our auto makers. Many of the reasons fall squarely on the government and they should suck it up and pony up the bills to keep them afloat. Think about it.

How about the government inaction regarding GM’s problems over decades? What about the anvils such as Café laws and universally nonconforming safety standards, the lack of sustainable energy policies that don’t coincide with CAFÉ? What about the lack of fair trade in favor of free trade? Its not about the so called quality headlines one gets from the press, it goes much deeper.
Janet

Portland, OR

#5 Nov 11, 2008
Forget about cars: Americans need to get off their fat butts and walk or ride a bike. Less cars on the road is a good thing.
Bailout Bill

Long Island City, NY

#6 Nov 11, 2008
Janet wrote:
Forget about cars: Americans need to get off their fat butts and walk or ride a bike. Less cars on the road is a good thing.
Well, that'll happend if thousands of people lose their jobs in Michigan and are no longer be able to afford to make auto payments and gas.
Lincoln MKS

Newtown, PA

#7 Nov 11, 2008
molly wrote:
i agree. pretty soon the government will be bailing out every industry that's in trouble.
Good it is about time..It is ok for the US to bail out every other counrty but do nothing for the American people and companies. The reason all these companies are in trouble is because the goverment allowed all these cheap forein goods to come in the US and undercut all our companies. THe US can go over and liberate Kuwait and Iraq, but sit back and watch people losing thier jobs and homes. Bull****. time to pay up and help this country for once..
Jesus Chrysler

Long Island City, NY

#8 Nov 11, 2008
If the government bails out Detroit for refusing to make cars that people want, what will be the incentive to start doing so? The Big Three have spent the past few years focused on design improvements when their cars all get terrible gas mileage and have atrocious reliability compared to foreign cars. Maybe instead of asking us for a handout they should try being good at their jobs.
Pedro

Long Island City, NY

#9 Nov 11, 2008
Let them die. They stood still while Honda and Toyota looked to the future, too wrapped up in the ease of profit during positive economic times to see the coming challenges. Isn't that the definition of capitalism? Why are we bailing out those who have made no effort to survive, only managing to pollute and destroy as they counted their earnings. Let them rot.
Lincoln MKS

Newtown, PA

#10 Nov 11, 2008
Jesus Chrysler wrote:
If the government bails out Detroit for refusing to make cars that people want, what will be the incentive to start doing so? The Big Three have spent the past few years focused on design improvements when their cars all get terrible gas mileage and have atrocious reliability compared to foreign cars. Maybe instead of asking us for a handout they should try being good at their jobs.
Really, toyota models seem to be gas guzzlers too..They have what 3 or 4 models that are good on gas?? Ford has the same. You point is worthless..
CDJ

United States

#11 Nov 11, 2008
NAFTA has caused many of our industries to fail in the United States while our Government turned a blind eye. Many Americans lost jobs, homes and their diginty trying to hold on to their "American Dream". The future we have left for our children is bleak, the college education is no longer an option that they can achieve. There are no jobs other than low tier service jobs and we owe those to our Government that let NAFTA outsource the good paying job overseas to other countries. Most of you will condemn the Unions and their workers, without them what jobs are left would not be here. Keep tearing them apart and those of you that are lucky enough to have gotten your college degree and high paying job will also be effected. After the Unions are gone and the jobs they have protected you will be next, look at Bill Gates. Does he hire people like you? No, he hires out of country for lower wages. You are not out of reach people.

Since: Aug 07

Trumbull CT

#12 Nov 11, 2008
Jesus Chrysler wrote:
If the government bails out Detroit for refusing to make cars that people want, what will be the incentive to start doing so? The Big Three have spent the past few years focused on design improvements when their cars all get terrible gas mileage and have atrocious reliability compared to foreign cars. Maybe instead of asking us for a handout they should try being good at their jobs.
Its evident you know nothing about automobile manufacturing, or the issues at hand. Do yourself a favor and get a few books about this sector. You won’t look so thick.
martin

Madrid, Spain

#13 Nov 11, 2008
all answers to questions about cars you can find on new web site

www.amazingautomobile.com

all of you are welcome

we hope that also you will help us build this site with your comments

“Sell me your Used car for cash”

Since: Apr 08

New York

#14 Nov 11, 2008
I wish that they car companies had focused more on green improvements from the beginning, but between the tie ins with gas companies, and such..alas, we should be way beyond where we are in innovation by now.
Stephen Tanner

Calgary, Canada

#15 Nov 11, 2008
I don't beleave this is a G0v't issue. It's business. Not charity. If one of the dealers would fall, this would just mean more of a marker share for the other auto dealers.
John Cougar Mellencamp

Long Island City, NY

#16 Nov 11, 2008
Listen America: if you don't bail out Chevy, I might stop singing about how much this country rocks. Is that a risk you're willing to take?

From the East Coast, to the West Coast...
Jesus Chrysler

Long Island City, NY

#17 Nov 11, 2008
Lincoln MKS wrote:
<quoted text>Really, toyota models seem to be gas guzzlers too..They have what 3 or 4 models that are good on gas?? Ford has the same. You point is worthless..
You can't seriously be arguing that Ford and Toyota are comparable on gas milage. Name one Ford model that gets equal or better gas mileage than its direct competitor from Toyota, and I'll happily retract my statement.

The Big Three would be selling a lot more cars if they were making good ones. The financing deals are almost always better for American makes and the lease terms are almost always more attractive. And yet Japanese makes consistently outsell them in almost every class.

I know the finances of the Big Three are complicated, and there are many reasons they're struggling. But in the end it all comes down to the simple fact that other companies make better cars.

Since: Aug 07

Trumbull CT

#18 Nov 11, 2008
Like I said, go get a book, and try to stick to one name.

The Malibu is most fuel efficient car in it's class, not counting it's Pontiac and Saturn cousins. Look it up: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

FACT: The Tahoe is the most fuel efficient SUV in it's class, better FE than the Sequoia and Armada. The Tahoe also offers an XFE variant that boosts FE by 1mpg which is big for a 2.5 ton SUV. And the hybrid variant gets better mileage in the city than the Camry or Accord V6 sedans. Still don't believe me, look it up...again: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

FACT: The Cobalt is the most fuel efficient car in it's class. It gets 37mpg, more than the Corolla, Civic, Sentra, Spectra and Elantra. A link if you still don't believe me: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

And the Cobalt's replacement is expected to get 40+mpg with out any hybrid system what so ever. That moves it into Prius territory for thousands less. And the car look amazing and it'll be built right here in America.

FACT: The Silverado is most fuel efficient truck in it's class. It get 20mpg and with the XFE package it gets 1mpg but when MT tested it they got a mpg gain of 2mpg. Link:http://www.motortrend.com /roadtests/trucks/112_0808_200 9_chevrolet_silverado_hybrid_x fe_drive/index.html

FACT: The Malibu has the best quality of any midsize sedan...including the Camry and Accord. It was also the ANA car of the year...not the Camry and Accord. It gets better mileage than them but I already mentioned that. It was a C&D ten best the Camry wasn't. It has also beat out the Accord for many awards and has beat the Accord in some comparisons as well. Links for you 'tards: http://www.chevrolet.com/2009malibu/compariso ...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/11 ...

In th above comparison it placed ahead of the Altima and Accord while the Camry won on it's "sportiness" but then again it was the sport model while the Malibu was the luxury model.

FACT: The CTS-V is the quickest sedan on the planet. 0-60 in 3.9 and a 190+mph top speed are just some of it's impressive numbers. It's faster than the M3, M5, IS-F, C63, E63 and the RS6. Link: MT

FACT: The Silverado ( in addition to the best FE) has the best quality of any fullsize truck. Oh currently it's not only the best selling truck in the nation but the best selling automobile. Link for the best in class quality: http://www.chevrolet.com/thetruck/

FACT: The Traverse gets the best FE of any 8 passenger SUV/CUV with the exeception of it's GM cousins. And nearly every auto publication liked it when they drove it. And the one who liked it the most was C&D who is biased...against foreign makes. Apparently the Traverse is just that good.

FACT: GM has more hybrids than any other company on the planet. 9 in total compared to the 6 offered by Toyota, the 1 offered by Honda, 1 offered by Nissan, 0 offered by Hyundai and etc.

FACT: GM offers more models with 30+mpg than any other company in America. More the Honda...Toyota...Hyundai/Kia and more than Nissan.

FACT: GM offers OnStar...it's competition well...they don't.

FACT: GM offers a better warranty than both Toyota, Honda and Nissan.”
Lincoln MKS

Newtown, PA

#19 Nov 11, 2008
Jesus Chrysler wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't seriously be arguing that Ford and Toyota are comparable on gas milage. Name one Ford model that gets equal or better gas mileage than its direct competitor from Toyota, and I'll happily retract my statement.
The Big Three would be selling a lot more cars if they were making good ones. The financing deals are almost always better for American makes and the lease terms are almost always more attractive. And yet Japanese makes consistently outsell them in almost every class.
I know the finances of the Big Three are complicated, and there are many reasons they're struggling. But in the end it all comes down to the simple fact that other companies make better cars.
Ok I have found a report on SUV/Trucks which will show that the imports and domestics are just about equal with a slight edge to American trucks and yes the the F 150 is listed as better gas milege.

http://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/fuel-effic...

I don't have time to research fact data for cars. But at a glance I noticed that between the Camry, Avalon and Yaris the numbers are almost dead even between the Taurus, Fusion and Focus all with in 1-2 miles per gallon. Yes Toyota does have the Prius but Ford will be launching the Fiesta and Fusion Hybrid in the upcoming months which will be very competitive. People do not relize that Toyota's trucks and SUV's and larger cars are no much better on gas than the Domestics.
Zippy

Long Island City, NY

#20 Nov 11, 2008
Some institutions need to die out in order for something new to begin.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 7
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Autos Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Obama's plan: 'Deport felons, not families' 15 hr xxxrayted 85
Craiglist/eBay scam (Mar '12) 17 hr Jaime 132
Chevy Volt leapfrogs Toyota's Prius (Nov '10) Fri iluvmyVolt 9,222
Cheap Limo Service In Orange County (Feb '13) Nov 21 Zach 5
God Says Speeding Is Totally Cool, According To... Nov 21 Laughing Gull 1
CEO to reveal 5-year strategy in early 2014; ke... (Nov '13) Nov 21 Jimmy 15
Hellcat-powered Challenger SRT gets big boost t... (May '14) Nov 21 Sally 4

Autos People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE