It’s a Sad Day at Toyota

It’s a Sad Day at Toyota

There are 1152 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Jun 2, 2010, titled It’s a Sad Day at Toyota. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

Toyota was left behind licking its chops as everyone else posted tremendous gains. Toyota’s executives are jumping ship and scurrying around like rats.

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Honkey Tonk Man

United States

#1023 Oct 31, 2013
That is just one of many Toyota will be paying out on.
liner

Brooklyn, NY

#1024 Oct 31, 2013
Root wrote:
<quoted text>Toyota can't appeal because they settled tge case the day after the ruling. Also, a year later Nasa released a report that implicated faulty electronics in Camry that did ccause SUA. Sadly for owners, the media was vested in giving obama his usual hand job on the news and the sua story only played here and there. It was an election year and stories must fit the template.
Hadn't heard about the NASA report. Have any info on it?
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1025 Oct 31, 2013
liner wrote:
<quoted text>
Hadn't heard about the NASA report. Have any info on it?
http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_p...
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1026 Nov 1, 2013
liner wrote:
<quoted text>
Hadn't heard about the NASA report. Have any info on it?
Don't believe Root/JJFADS "links".
The "tin whiskers" theory turned out to be a study paid for by trial lawyers.

Huff Post, November 1, 2013....

"It is disappointing that news organizations would continue to publish baseless claims from these so-called "experts" without disclosing their clear financial self-interest in generating controversy where none exists.

To be clear, so-called "tin whiskers" are not a new phenomenon and do not represent a mysterious or undetectable problem in a vehicle's electronics.

Indeed, no data indicates that tin whiskers are more prone to occur in Toyota vehicles than any other vehicle in the marketplace. To the contrary, Toyota's systems are designed to reduce the risk that tin whiskers will form in the first place. In addition, multiple robust failsafe systems are in place to counter any effects on the operation of our vehicles in the highly unlikely event that they do form and connect to adjacent circuitry.

In the unlikely event that tin whiskers cause a short-circuit in the pedal position sensor, those systems detect the fault, illuminate the malfunction indicator light and put the vehicle into "limp home" mode.

No one, including paid consultants to plaintiffs' attorneys quoted by the Huffington Post, has ever found a single real-world example of tin whiskers causing an unintended acceleration event. Nor have they put forth any evidence of unintended acceleration occurring in a Toyota vehicle because of tin whiskers forming inside an accelerator pedal position sensor.

There is no problem with the electronic throttle control systems in Toyota vehicles -- and all the scientific evidence confirms it."
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1027 Nov 1, 2013
I'll take NASA's scientific report as fact over anything huff post has to say anyday. Sorry, your link says zero about NASA's report anyhow, just words slapped together on the internet. Keep trying though, I'll be interested to hear what you come up with as these cases continue to be heard.
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1028 Nov 1, 2013
Root wrote:
I'll take NASA's scientific report as fact over anything huff post has to say anyday. Sorry, your link says zero about NASA's report anyhow, just words slapped together on the internet. Keep trying though, I'll be interested to hear what you come up with as these cases continue to be heard.
That "study" that Root/JJFADS claims to be the work of NASA, was shown to be authored by three so called "scientists" who were associated in some mysterious way with NASA.
But they were hired guns for trial lawyers and got paid generously for their report.
A similar report was also concocted by a couple of University of Maryland "researchers" who were also shown to be on the payroll of trial lawyers.
NASA has in fact, closed the case re Toyota and is on record for clearing Toyota of any blame whatsoever.
I'll take NASA's final decision on this issue against any of the "reports" that Root/jJJFADS dredges up.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1029 Nov 1, 2013
Wrong again, the NASA report is NASA, and the link to the NASA report is above, even you can read it. For those challenged individuals, it may be easier to scroll to the summary section. Once again, the NASA report has nothing to do with trial lawyers and is very clear to understand (for most people).
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1030 Nov 1, 2013
Root wrote:
Wrong again, the NASA report is NASA, and the link to the NASA report is above, even you can read it. For those challenged individuals, it may be easier to scroll to the summary section. Once again, the NASA report has nothing to do with trial lawyers and is very clear to understand (for most people).
So, now tell us Einstein, why then has NASA given Toyota a completely clean bill of health?
And has never swayed from that verdict!!
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1031 Nov 1, 2013
Just to shed a modicum of truth into Root/JJFADS "wishful thinking" allegations re this Tin Whisker "report"......
The report itself is an analysis of one (only one) throttle linkage actuator which was evaluated by the so called NASA team of "experts", as a result of this actuator being sent to them by a Toyota owner who allegedly had a problem with his car.
The problem he had wasn't SUA--as clearly articulated in the report, he apparently started his car, put it in gear, stepped on the gas, nothing happened for a moment, then the car lurched forward momentarily.
He asked for the evaluation in order to try to get Toyota to reimburse him for the replacement actuator they installed on his car.
Other than that one peculiar problem, his 2003 Toyota has been trouble free for many years, both before and since the actuator was replaced.

Now maybe Root/JJFADS should bone up on his reading skills?
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1032 Nov 1, 2013
Here is the customer complaint which prompted the report about Tin Whiskers....

• Make : TOYOTA
• Manufacturer :
• Fire : No
• ODI ID Number :
Model : CAMRY Year : 2003 TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION
Crash : No 0
0
10304368
Number of Injuries: Number of Deaths:
• Date of Failure:
• Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL: ACCELERATOR PEDAL
• Failure Mileage: 81,957 (information courtesy of DOT)
• Summary:
I HAVE A 2003 CAMRY. ON NOV. 8, 2009 I HAD A VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH THE ACCELERATOR. WHEN STEPPING ON THE GAS PEDAL I COULDN'T GET ANY GAS, AND THEN THE CAR WOULD JERK FORWARD AT A RAPID RATE SO THAT I HAD TO APPLY THE BRAKES. IT WAS TOTALLY UNDRIVABLE.
THE MECHANIC REPLACED THE GAS PEDAL ASSEMBLY, AND I HAVE THE OLD PART IN MY POSSESSION. THE PART WAS $428.01 PLUS THE LABOR COST. MY OLD CAMRY I DROVE FOR 12 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS.
I FEEL THE PART WAS DEFECTIVE AND THAT TOYOTA SHOULD REIMBURSE ME FOR THE COST OF REPLACEMENT. WOULD YOUR AGENCY PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS FOR ME?
November 11, 2009
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1033 Nov 1, 2013
Leagle Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>
So, now tell us Einstein, why then has NASA given Toyota a completely clean bill of health?
And has never swayed from that verdict!!
Sure, I would be happy to. If you look at the dates of the first NASA report, it was released in 2011. The new report that I reference is from 2012, and it specificall found the problem. NASA also found the defects in other pedals too. This was all in the news at thw time. As stated earlier it was an election year and didn't fit the media template at the time.

So fast forward to the current. We now have a guilty verdict in a court of law against toyota in the first electronic SUA case. We now have a NASA report that specifically states defective electronics. We have toyota admitting to SUA caused by sticky pedals, we have toyota admitting to SUA caused by a design flaw (floor mats) and we have a jury finding them wreckless. There are more problems as well but with 700 more cases to go, it would not be in your best interest to keep defending them with "quick google searches" on the internet and the huffing and puffing post.

Try not to call names, it shows weakness.
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1034 Nov 1, 2013
So, now tell us Einstein, why then has NASA consistently given Toyota a completely clean bill of health?
And has never swayed from that verdict!!

BTW, your linked "report" is dated September 2011.

Shukin' and jivin' by Root/JJFADS perhaps???
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1035 Nov 1, 2013
For Root/JJFADS...

Just for the record, I'm not "defending Toyota"!

Other than I respect their business successes and the fact that they seem to make good cars and trucks, I could really care less about Toyota.

All I'm doing is (1) exposing your propaganda for what it is; and (2) exposing you as the fraud you are.

And I believe I've been pretty successful at that.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1036 Nov 1, 2013
Leagle Beagle wrote:
So, now tell us Einstein, why then has NASA consistently given Toyota a completely clean bill of health?
And has never swayed from that verdict!!
BTW, your linked "report" is dated September 2011.
Shukin' and jivin' by Root/JJFADS perhaps???
They do not. It all changed when they exposed toyotas flaws and that was admissible in court. I shouldn't have to explain every last detail for you.
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1037 Nov 1, 2013
JJFADS/Root is rapidly wearing out his violin

Playing the same old tune over and over again tends to do that.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1038 Nov 1, 2013
As long as you now understand that NASA found fault, there's no need to be upset and hurl your usual nasty attacks.
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1039 Nov 1, 2013
What makes you think I'm upset?
I can assure you, I take great pleasure in exposing your petty inferences and innuendo.
Why would anyone get upset over a small time huckster like you childishly yammering about what really amounts to such a morbid obsession about Toyota.
Especially now that you're still distorting truth about what NASA said or didn't say.
One thing for sure, they have never changed their original findings that Toyo's blameless insofar as an electronic problem existing in their throttle control systems.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1040 Nov 1, 2013
Leagle Beagle wrote:
What makes you think I'm upset?
I can assure you, I take great pleasure in exposing your petty inferences and innuendo.
Why would anyone get upset over a small time huckster like you childishly yammering about what really amounts to such a morbid obsession about Toyota.
Especially now that you're still distorting truth about what NASA said or didn't say.
One thing for sure, they have never changed their original findings that Toyo's blameless insofar as an electronic problem existing in their throttle control systems.
Your words, your rationalizations, your mind, your attacks, your attempts to prove something that doesn’t exist. Your mind gets in your way. You're obviously uncomfortable with honesty and decency. You find it gushing, insincere; an exaggeration.
Decency is natural. It requires no thought. It is instinctive.
Everything you said, everything you showed in terms of your thought process, your reactions to things that others have said, your allegations, your attacks, all of it shows just how far people like you have allowed yourself to become pulled away from your innate quality of decency and reality.
Worse, to become an apologist, dogmatist and outright reactionary at the expense of your healthy human qualities is a damn shame...for you and those like you. Just act just like your parents and/or grandparents taught you and be a decent human being and there would be no problems.

Just to recap again, NASA found electrical problems and that is a fact you have not, will not, and cannot argue in any shape or form. Toyota was also found guilty and found to have acted with reckless disregard. No matter how many words or snippets you put together, those are those facts and you can’t deny any of it.
Leagle Beagle

Windsor, Canada

#1041 Nov 2, 2013
Jeez Root/JJFADS, that was for you, a fairly impressive attempt at amateur psychology, but all your psychobabble in the world isn't going to change the fact that NASA has given Toyo a clean bill of health all along.
Why not just calm down, accept that reality, and let things unfold as they may.
Root

Shreveport, LA

#1042 Nov 2, 2013
Guess where I will be this weekend..Dallas! This will give you an opportunity to call me jjfads some more. Try to keep things to a point of reasonable during my exit.

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