Toyota's 1st in safety recalls for 1s...

Toyota's 1st in safety recalls for 1st time

There are 1245 comments on the Detroit Free Press story from Dec 30, 2009, titled Toyota's 1st in safety recalls for 1st time. In it, Detroit Free Press reports that:

In a first, Toyota led the U.S. auto industry in recalled vehicles this year, thanks to its largest safety-related problem since it began selling vehicles in the United States.

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Since: Dec 09

Escanaba, MI

#1 Dec 30, 2009
What I find surprising is not that Toyota is number 1 overall but the amount of recalls jumped up almost 7 million total vehicles.

And I know they mention safety issues, but come on is a missing sticker or seat belt buzzer really a safety issue.

I know the US is sue happy and that many American's need someone to hold their hand, but you would think people would know if they have their seat belt on and don't need a buzzer to tell them to put it on.
JJFADS Nemesis

Windsor, Canada

#2 Dec 30, 2009
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears the vast majority of those recalls are for relatively trivial items---like stickers missing from seat belts, and so on.

The Anti Toyota Crusader JJFADS ain't gonna admit it though.
He'll keep on stumping to kill Toyota.
Fear does that to people like him.

Since: May 09

Riverview, MI

#3 Dec 30, 2009
JJFADS Nemesis wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears the vast majority of those recalls are for relatively trivial items---like stickers missing from seat belts, and so on.
The Anti Toyota Crusader JJFADS ain't gonna admit it though.
He'll keep on stumping to kill Toyota.
Fear does that to people like him.
Posting a link to verify such claims would go a long way in proving JJFADS wrong.

Just an idea.....

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#4 Dec 30, 2009
JJFADS Nemesis wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears the vast majority of those recalls are for relatively trivial items---like stickers missing from seat belts, and so on.
The Anti Toyota Crusader JJFADS ain't gonna admit it though.
He'll keep on stumping to kill Toyota.
Fear does that to people like him.
You are wrong and I am correcting you. The vast majority of those recalls are SAFETY recalls, like cars careening out of control, brake failures, and rusting frames that drop spare tires on highways.
Oh sweet redemption, I predicted this back in March.

Toyota dookied in the urinal.
Skeeter

United States

#5 Dec 30, 2009
ROFLMAO !
JJFADS Nemesis

Wheatley, Canada

#6 Dec 30, 2009
Dear JJFADS:

It would be interesting for you to actually prove your claim.
But you won't, because you cannot.
We all know you'll only consent to continue your crusade of innuendo and inference.

But we continue to forgive you for your sins of ommission.
JJFADS Nemesis

Wheatley, Canada

#7 Dec 30, 2009
More on the recall hit list which JJFADS loves to lie about..........
"Detroit Free Press:
Ford, the second highest on the list, recalled 4.5 million cars and trucks because of a problem with cruise control switches that can catch fire, a defect the automaker has struggled with for a decade that has affected 16 million vehicles.
General Motors recalled 2.3 million vehicles, the third-highest total, but had the most recalls issued among automakers with 17.
Chrysler's total was 590,044 cars and trucks recalled was the lowest among the Detroit Three, but came over 16 events.
Outside of GM and Chrysler, no automaker had more than 10 recalls."
JJFADS Nemesis

Wheatley, Canada

#8 Dec 30, 2009
Dear JJFADS:....

BTW, the number of recalls for Toyota is 4.8 million vehicles, not 7 million.(According to the Free Press article)
This compares closely to no. 2 on the list (Ford) with 4.5 million recalled vehicles.

Since: Dec 09

Escanaba, MI

#9 Dec 30, 2009
Hi Nemesis,

I posted the first post, I am not JJ, trust me. What I meant was last year 2008 there were 8 million vehicles recalled total by all manufacturers. This year it was 15 million, so that is what I meant by 7 million vehicles.

What I mean is that the total vehicles recalled by everyone jumped so much and that is what surprised me.

I agree that most were of the floormat thing, which I guess is just as dangerous as the cruise control fires. I also found it funny that it has taken Ford 10 years to sort out the cruise control fires.

Since: May 09

Riverview, MI

#10 Dec 30, 2009
JJFADS Nemesis wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears the vast majority of those recalls are for relatively trivial items---like stickers missing from seat belts, and so on.
The Anti Toyota Crusader JJFADS ain't gonna admit it though.
He'll keep on stumping to kill Toyota.
Fear does that to people like him.
Exert from article link: "Toyota first advanced in September when it announced it was recalling 4.3 million vehicles to replace floor mats after uncontrolled acceleration problems were linked to about a dozen fatal crashes."

Of the nearly 4.9 million recalls 4.3 million of them were linked to the acceleration problems. Based on those numbers I'd say that the "vast majority" of thier issues were not "trivial items".
JJFADS Nemesis

Wheatley, Canada

#11 Dec 30, 2009
To: FredUAW...
No need to post any links to prove JJFADS wrong, I just read his posts and chuckle.
JJFADS mostly sits in the middle--he doesn't tell truth but he doesn't lie either.
He just sort of fiddles and diddles with news and twists it to serve his crusade against Toyota......He's the King Spin Doctor.
Even a Canadian can see through his games.
Bag of Bones

Ava, MO

#12 Dec 30, 2009
It's interesting that Japan lost the war ( WWII ), and Dr. Demming ( an American ) went there to show them how to industrialize a nation. The USA helped re-build our former enemy.

Hummm, must have worked? lol

For over thirty years the Big-3 ignored the storm clouds gathering from Asia, Germany, etc. They continued to design and build crap, as the unions held the threat of STRIKES over their heads. So management and the UAW held hands and danced on down the Yellow Brick Road ...oblivious.

And the consumer, for thirty years - voted for the best vehicle for the money - with their wallets.

" Glory days ...they pass you by..."
JJFADS Nemesis

Wheatley, Canada

#13 Dec 30, 2009
FredUAW wrote:
<quoted text>Exert from article link: "Toyota first advanced in September when it announced it was recalling 4.3 million vehicles to replace floor mats after uncontrolled acceleration problems were linked to about a dozen fatal crashes."
Of the nearly 4.9 million recalls 4.3 million of them were linked to the acceleration problems. Based on those numbers I'd say that the "vast majority" of thier issues were not "trivial items".
Replacing floor mats.
I think I'll buy a Toyota and get new floor mats.

All kidding aside, the article is authored by the Detroit Free Press, isn't it?
That's in Detroit, right?
Like--home of the Detroit Three?
Of course they're going to make Toyota look bad.
Does anyone believe they'd make Toyota look good?
If so, I've got a bridge to sell--cheap!
JJFADS Nemesis

Wheatley, Canada

#14 Dec 30, 2009
eskymi wrote:
Hi Nemesis,
I posted the first post, I am not JJ, trust me. What I meant was last year 2008 there were 8 million vehicles recalled total by all manufacturers. This year it was 15 million, so that is what I meant by 7 million vehicles.
What I mean is that the total vehicles recalled by everyone jumped so much and that is what surprised me.
I agree that most were of the floormat thing, which I guess is just as dangerous as the cruise control fires. I also found it funny that it has taken Ford 10 years to sort out the cruise control fires.
Never thought you were JJ. Sorry.
Just threw that in to entertain him.
I think I'm getting in his head!

That aside, your point is valid.
Why has it taken Ford to sort out a fire problem with cruise control systems?
And over 16 million vehicles recalled for just that?
Wow!

Since: Dec 09

Escanaba, MI

#15 Dec 30, 2009
JJFADS Nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>
Never thought you were JJ. Sorry.[/quote]

Cool...my misunderstanding.

[QUOTE who="JJFADS Nemesis"]<quoted text>Just threw that in to entertain him.
I think I'm getting in his head!
Just curious, If you get into his head, I wonder if you'll find anything in there? LOL!!!!

Since: May 09

Riverview, MI

#16 Dec 30, 2009
JJFADS Nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>
Replacing floor mats.
I think I'll buy a Toyota and get new floor mats.
All kidding aside, the article is authored by the Detroit Free Press, isn't it?
That's in Detroit, right?
Like--home of the Detroit Three?
Of course they're going to make Toyota look bad.
Does anyone believe they'd make Toyota look good?
If so, I've got a bridge to sell--cheap!
You can't have it both ways. In one post you suggest that toyota's latest quality hits are over blown. After I give you the information from the link this tread is dedicated to and you reject it because it's source is a Detroit publication. Yet you call on JJFADS to produce information to prove his arguments.

1) If the information that the free press or news reported about toyota is incorrect they can very well be held liable. So where is the toyota law suit?

2) If you are truely from Windsor and at least 20yrs old you should be familiar with the Detroit news papers parent company Knight Ridder/Gannett, and their long standing labor disputes. The UAW was one of a small hand full of active supporters of those locked out workers. The free press and news has had an axe to gride ever since. Read up on the topic if you don't already know.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/...
3) Here's a link to the very same information from NBC Dallas, TX.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/NATL-Toyo...

...and we all know how friendly the state of Texas and the Big-3/UAW are. So is this a reliable enough source?
Government Foe

Royal Oak, MI

#17 Dec 30, 2009
FredUAW wrote:
<quoted text>Exert from article link: "Toyota first advanced in September when it announced it was recalling 4.3 million vehicles to replace floor mats after uncontrolled acceleration problems were linked to about a dozen fatal crashes."
Of the nearly 4.9 million recalls 4.3 million of them were linked to the acceleration problems. Based on those numbers I'd say that the "vast majority" of thier issues were not "trivial items".
Come on Fred, even you must chuckle over this one. Floor mats?...lol..a simple floor mat flaw which caught the bottom of the gas pedal and caused some fatalities because some people were too stupid to figure out how to hit the brake pedal. Perhaps there should be a revised advance road test on how to stop a car in order for people to obtain their license. ALL automatic and manual transmission cars will bump into neutral while driving. ALL vehicles with proper functioning brakes will stop regardless of the gas pedal position. ALL vehicles will also stop operating when the ignition switch is turned off. If people panic due to a mat holding the gas pedal and can't figure out how to stop the car, they shouldn't be driving and we are already aware there are MANY people who shouldn't be on the road.

It's a shame this country turned into a sue happy society and even more shameful the government allows most of them.
Skeeter

United States

#18 Dec 30, 2009
Bag of Bones wrote:
It's interesting that Japan lost the war ( WWII ), and Dr. Demming ( an American ) went there to show them how to industrialize a nation. The USA helped re-build our former enemy.
Hummm, must have worked? lol
For over thirty years the Big-3 ignored the storm clouds gathering from Asia, Germany, etc. They continued to design and build crap, as the unions held the threat of STRIKES over their heads. So management and the UAW held hands and danced on down the Yellow Brick Road ...oblivious.
And the consumer, for thirty years - voted for the best vehicle for the money - with their wallets.
" Glory days ...they pass you by..."
Bonz want a ride in my new Chevy Impala LT ?

Since: May 09

Riverview, MI

#19 Dec 30, 2009
Government Foe wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on Fred, even you must chuckle over this one. Floor mats?...lol..a simple floor mat flaw which caught the bottom of the gas pedal and caused some fatalities because some people were too stupid to figure out how to hit the brake pedal. Perhaps there should be a revised advance road test on how to stop a car in order for people to obtain their license. ALL automatic and manual transmission cars will bump into neutral while driving. ALL vehicles with proper functioning brakes will stop regardless of the gas pedal position. ALL vehicles will also stop operating when the ignition switch is turned off. If people panic due to a mat holding the gas pedal and can't figure out how to stop the car, they shouldn't be driving and we are already aware there are MANY people who shouldn't be on the road.
It's a shame this country turned into a sue happy society and even more shameful the government allows most of them.
Foe, from what I understand that was the issue. The brake it's self didn't over ride the acceleration pedal as it got stuck.

[Toyota said the measures were designed to prevent floor mats from jamming the accelerator pedal open. As an additional precaution, the Japanese automaker said most of its cars would be modified so that the brake overrides the accelerator if both pedals are pressed at the same time.]
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-...

Agreed that we have become a lawsuit happy society. But as of Thanksgiving of this year 16 deaths and 243 injuries are believed to be tied to the Toyota gas pedal issue(s). Had any of them been mine or your loved ones we'd look at this recall entirely different.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#20 Dec 30, 2009
Government Foe wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on Fred, even you must chuckle over this one. Floor mats?...lol..a simple floor mat flaw which caught the bottom of the gas pedal and caused some fatalities because some people were too stupid to figure out how to hit the brake pedal. Perhaps there should be a revised advance road test on how to stop a car in order for people to obtain their license. ALL automatic and manual transmission cars will bump into neutral while driving. ALL vehicles with proper functioning brakes will stop regardless of the gas pedal position. ALL vehicles will also stop operating when the ignition switch is turned off. If people panic due to a mat holding the gas pedal and can't figure out how to stop the car, they shouldn't be driving and we are already aware there are MANY people who shouldn't be on the road.
It's a shame this country turned into a sue happy society and even more shameful the government allows most of them.
Not so fast Scooter, the brakes don’t work at WOT in the Toyota, The gas pedal is to long, sized and the floor pans have to be dropped. Don’t post rubbish on this forum. You will not get away with it, not with me anyhow.

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