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However court rules, gay marriage debate won't end

There are 2348 comments on the NewsCenter 25 story from Mar 28, 2013, titled However court rules, gay marriage debate won't end. In it, NewsCenter 25 reports that:

However the Supreme Court rules after its landmark hearings on same-sex marriage, the issue seems certain to divide Americans and states for many years to come.

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Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#1129 Apr 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And subsequently found to be an invalid study as admitted by even Regnerus himself.
http://www.ncfpc.org/stories/120711s2.html

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Special Report - July 11, 2012
Eighteen social scientists from a variety of universities have issued a letter defending a major new national study that found “numerous, consistent differences” between the young adult children of same-sex parents and those raised in intact families. The letter is in response to criticism from the mainstream media and homosexual advocacy groups about the New Family Structures Study (NFSS), an ongoing, federally funded study led by sociologist Mark Regnerus at the University of Texas at Austin. The letter defending the Regernus study was issued June 20 by 18 scholars, including Peter Arcidiacono, an economics professor at Duke University, Professor Peter Uhlenberg, a sociology professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and W. Bradford Wilcox, director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, among others.

1.“Limitations” in prior research on same-sex parenting that have generally been ignored by the media.“The vast majority of studies published before 2012 on this subject have relied upon small, non-representative samples that do not represent children in typical gay and lesbian families in the United States,” the letter points out.“By contrast, Regnerus relies on a large, random, and representative sample of more than 200 children raised by parents who have had same-sex relationships, comparing them to a random sample of more than 2,000 children raised in heterosexual families, to reach his conclusions.”

2. Other studies of children from same-sex parent families, including recent studies in the Netherlands and Sweden, have also found high levels of family instability. This point in the letter addresses one of the main criticisms of the Regnerus study, which is that the study sample compared “young adults from gay and lesbian families that experienced high levels of family instability to young adults from stable heterosexual married families.” While the letter acknowledges that,“this is not an ideal comparison,” it notes,“what his critics fail to appreciate is that Regnerus chose his categories on the basis of young adults’ characterizations of their own families growing up, and the young adults whose parents had same-sex romantic relationships also happened to have high levels of instability in their families of origin.” The letter continues,“Regnerus should not be faulted for drawing a random, representative sample of young-adult children of parents who have had same-sex romantic relationships and also happened to have experienced high levels of family instability growing up.”

3. Another study published in June in the Journal of Marriage and Family reached parallel conclusions to those in the Regnerus study. That study found that “children in same-sex parent families scored lower than their peers” in married-biological parent families “on two academic outcomes, and that these baseline differences can probably be attributed in part to higher levels of family instability in same-sex families, compared to intact, biological married families…” According to the letter,“The parallels between the findings in this study and Regnerus’s study call into question the…claim that the Regnerus study ‘gets everything wrong.’”

“To be clear: We do not think that these new studies settle the nation’s ongoing debate about gay parenting, same-sex marriage, and the welfare of children,” the letter concludes, noting that same-sex parenting research is still in its earliest stages.“But we think that the Regnerus study, which is one of the first to rely on a large, random, and representative sample of children from parents who have experienced same-sex relationships, has helped to inform the ongoing scholarly and public conversation about same-sex families in America.”
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#1130 Apr 8, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. A peer-review that will FOREVER be the textbook example of fraud.
http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/controv...
Controversial Gay-Parenting Study Is Severely Flawed, Journal’s Audit Finds
The peer-review process failed to identify significant, disqualifying problems with a controversial and widely publicized study that seemed to raise doubts about the parenting abilities of gay couples, according to an internal audit scheduled to appear in the November issue of the journal, Social Science Research, that published the study.
you mean some people folded under the huge social pressures brought to bear by your agenda?

color me not very shocked...
Sgt Common Sense

Fairfield, CT

#1131 Apr 8, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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http://www.ncfpc.org/stories/120711s2.html
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..........hogwash..........
The NCFPC, now there's an unbiased opinion!

~sarcasm off

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1132 Apr 8, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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http://www.ncfpc.org/stories/120711s2.html
"
Special Report - July 11, 2012
Eighteen social scientists from a variety of universities have issued a letter defending a major new national study that found “numerous, consistent differences” between the young adult children of same-sex parents and those raised in intact families. The letter is in response to criticism from the mainstream media and homosexual advocacy groups about the New Family Structures Study (NFSS), an ongoing, federally funded study led by sociologist Mark Regnerus at the University of Texas at Austin. The letter defending the Regernus study was issued June 20 by 18 scholars, including Peter Arcidiacono, an economics professor at Duke University, Professor Peter Uhlenberg, a sociology professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and W. Bradford Wilcox, director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, among others.
1.“Limitations” in prior research on same-sex parenting that have generally been ignored by the media.“The vast majority of studies published before 2012 on this subject have relied upon small, non-representative samples that do not represent children in typical gay and lesbian families in the United States,” the letter points out.“By contrast, Regnerus relies on a large, random, and representative sample of more than 200 children raised by parents who have had same-sex relationships, comparing them to a random sample of more than 2,000 children raised in heterosexual families, to reach his conclusions.”
2. Other studies of children from same-sex parent families, including recent studies in the Netherlands and Sweden, have also found high levels of family instability. This point in the letter addresses one of the main criticisms of the Regnerus study, which is that the study sample compared “young adults from gay and lesbian families that experienced high levels of family instability to young adults from stable heterosexual married families.” While the letter acknowledges that,“this is not an ideal comparison,” it notes,“what his critics fail to appreciate is that Regnerus chose his categories on the basis of young adults’ characterizations of their own families growing up, and the young adults whose parents had same-sex romantic relationships also happened to have high levels of instability in their families of origin.” The letter continues,“Regnerus should not be faulted for drawing a random, representative sample of young-adult children of parents who have had same-sex romantic relationships and also happened to have experienced high levels of family instability growing up.”
3. Another study published in June in the Journal of Marriage and Family reached parallel conclusions to those in the Regnerus study. That study found that “children in same-sex parent families scored lower than their peers” in married-biological parent families “on two academic outcomes, and that these baseline differences can probably be attributed in part to higher levels of family instability in same-sex families, compared to intact, biological married families…” According to the letter,“The parallels between the findings in this study and Regnerus’s study call into question the…claim that the Regnerus study ‘gets everything wrong.’”
“To be clear: We do not think that these new studies settle the nation’s ongoing debate about gay parenting, same-sex marriage, and the welfare of children,” the letter concludes, noting that same-sex parenting research is still in its earliest stages.“But we think that the Regnerus study, which is one of the first to rely on a large, random, and representative sample of children from parents who have experienced same-sex relationships, has helped to inform the ongoing scholarly and public conversation about same-sex families in America.”
The study had nothing to do with same-sex couples raising kids.
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#1133 Apr 8, 2013
Sgt Common Sense wrote:
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The NCFPC, now there's an unbiased opinion!
~sarcasm off
you must have missed this in your race to attack the source:
"eighteen social scientists from a variety of universities"
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#1134 Apr 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The study had nothing to do with same-sex couples raising kids.
psst, just like many of the studies on which you would rely...

any take on those common errors in YOUR studies?
that self-selected, self-reported garbage...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1135 Apr 8, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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psst, just like many of the studies on which you would rely...
any take on those common errors in YOUR studies?
that self-selected, self-reported garbage...
Nope, there are numerous studies of same-sex couples raising kids; just not many on married same-sex couples yet because we've only been getting married for the past 9 years.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1136 Apr 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, there are numerous studies of same-sex couples raising kids; just not many on married same-sex couples yet because we've only been getting married for the past 9 years.
Then you admit these studies have to be flawed, since these supposed studies started decades ago....
Francisco dAnconia

Barre, VT

#1137 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Then you admit these studies have to be flawed, since these supposed studies started decades ago....
psst, age is only a detractor for studies with which they disagree...

as is hand selecting, self reporting, single parenting etc...
in short, every critique they make is found in every study they support...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1138 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Then you admit these studies have to be flawed, since these supposed studies started decades ago....
Same-sex couples have been raising kids for decades.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1139 Apr 8, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
<quoted text>
psst, age is only a detractor for studies with which they disagree...
as is hand selecting, self reporting, single parenting etc...
in short, every critique they make is found in every study they support...
Nope, just same-sex couples raising kids; that's the only criteria.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1140 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Then you admit these studies have to be flawed, since these supposed studies started decades ago....
a couple does not need to be married to raise a child...

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1141 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text> a couple does not need to be married to raise a child...
...and a person's hands need not be on the steering wheel to make a car move....doesn't mean that's what people should do does it???

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1142 Apr 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Yes, they're called "evangelical christians".
Really??? Must be a 'new' kind of black kkk....

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1143 Apr 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The study had nothing to do with same-sex couples raising kids.
Of course it doesn't...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1144 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Really??? Must be a 'new' kind of black kkk....
Yep, and they're as racist & bigoted as most white evangelicals.

Must be the religion which has poisoned their minds & hearts.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1145 Apr 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And subsequently found to be an invalid study as admitted by even Regnerus himself.
Where's the retraction???

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1147 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Sure we have...you just don't like it...try again..
No you haven't. All you've ever done is lie.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1148 Apr 8, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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you must have missed this in your race to attack the source:
"eighteen social scientists from a variety of universities"
Wow! You found eighteen homophobes? And you had to go to multiple universities to do it? Congratulations!

I might be more impressed if you found eighteen UNIVERSITIES that all supported the outlook. But you could undoubtedly put together or, say, Jerry Falwell U, Liberty U, Bob Jones, Groveton, and innumerable others.

The fact is that the preponderance of the evidence points against your claims. Common sense, too, points against your claims. Gay people have been raising kids for all of history. And it's only now that you're suddenly finding something wrong with their parenting. It's only now that you require studies.

It's kind of like marijuana research. The government claims there's insufficient data. And they refuse to allow research. And they refuse to admit the research that does exist. How convenient.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1149 Apr 9, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Where's the retraction???
I already posted his admission for you once. Deny it all you want, it matters not.

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