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Bob wrote: <quoted text>
If one was to have sex with a captive,that would be rape? I asked the same question which was never answered. Mohammed once 'married' a woman whose husband had been killed by his followers - but I'm sure she was ok with it. Does forcing unwilling and grieving women to have sex qualify as rape? Of course it does, but I don't believe I have ever witnessed a Muslim agreeing with this obvious fact. Selling them into slavery afterwards must be ok also, since slavery is legal in Saudi Arabia.
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dee wrote: <quoted text>
I asked the same question which was never answered. Mohammed once 'married' a woman whose husband had been killed by his followers - but I'm sure she was ok with it.
Does forcing unwilling and grieving women to have sex qualify as rape? Of course it does, but I don't believe I have ever witnessed a Muslim agreeing with this obvious fact. Selling them into slavery afterwards must be ok also, since slavery is legal in Saudi Arabia. In Moiz hast to condemn western society he has condemned his prophet and the quran. Moiz: "You are also right that many times rape is used for ethnic cleansing or during wars by invading or occupying armies" Sura (33:50)- "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" What Moiz had described rape as the wrongs of a western(non-Islamic) lifestyle, Mohammad has prescribed rape as lawful under Islamic lifestyle.There are many of such verses in the Quran and Hadiths(the left overs of the final editing of the Quran) condoning rape of captives: One, such as a prisoner of war, who is forcibly confined, subjugated, or enslaved. Why muslims never the question. "O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble... Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Quran. 5:101-102) To lose your faith in an Islamic country...is to lose your life.
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Moiz Qidwai
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Bob wrote: <quoted text>
If one was to have sex with a captive,that would be rape? If some one rapes a captive of war, then it is a rape by all accounts. But I think you want to refer to Islamic system as to how to deal with female captives of war. In Islamic system all the female captives are brought before the commander of Muslim Army. No body touches them before they are brought before the commander. Depending upon the situation, commander may either free them, or free them after taking ransom for them, or decide to take them as slaves. If these have to be taken as salves, then Commander distributes these females to members of Muslim army as he decides. The man whom a female has been given can have sexual intercourse with that woman only. This is certainly not rape. It is not an orgy, in which any man can capture any woman and has sexual intercourse with them as we see when modern armies go and capture any city of enemy. You are right, by implementing Islamic laws, problem of rape will not be totally solved (As no problem dealing with human nature can be fully solved), but it will reduce the rate of that crime to negligible level. We can see that by the statistics of rapes in Saudi Arabia and then compare it with the cases of pares in USA and other Western countries.
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Moiz
I will reply..But Iv had a very long day.
For now...wtf
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JOEL ABNER
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Dear fellow Aussies it is not 'Muslims' we must fear..but Islam, and then.. Muslims who draw closest to their founder in doctrine and behavior.. But lets not be fear driven.. WE run the show here and after all, there are what? 400,000 of them out of 21 million or so? The important thing for Aussies to understand is the true core values of "Islam" as a faith. These include: -Permitting marriage, sexual consumation, and divorce of pre-pubescent children.(See Quran 65:4 then Tafheem Al-Quran (maududi) on that verse. -Sexual abuse of captive women (after there families have been killed Surah 23:5-6 -Mohammad claimed 'exclusive' sexual rights to 'any believing woman' not to mention all his slave girls..(sex toys) 33:50 "This only for you oh prophet"..errr yeah...RIGHT!!!!! "God told me" This alleged revelation was invented long before the battle of Khayber when temporary marriage was supposedly ended. So.. he could have had any number of 1 night stands along the way. hmmmmmmm HATE SPEECH against Christians and Jews "May Allah destroy them" in 9:30 and "FIGHT those who do not believe in Allah and the last day" declaration of war against non muslims 9:29 Domestic violence (wife beating) approved 4:34 and... it just goes on,and on..and on.. too much material
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JOEL ABNER wrote: Dear fellow Aussies
it is not 'Muslims' we must fear..but Islam, and then.. Muslims who draw closest to their founder in doctrine and behavior..
But lets not be fear driven.. WE run the show here and after all, there are what? 400,000 of them out of 21 million or so?
The important thing for Aussies to understand is the true core values of "Islam" as a faith.
These include:
-Permitting marriage, sexual consumation, and divorce of pre-pubescent children.(See Quran 65:4 then Tafheem Al-Quran (maududi) on that verse.
-Sexual abuse of captive women (after there families have been killed Surah 23:5-6
-Mohammad claimed 'exclusive' sexual rights to 'any believing woman' not to mention all his slave girls..(sex toys) 33:50 "This only for you oh prophet"..errr yeah...RIGHT!!!!! "God told me"
This alleged revelation was invented long before the battle of Khayber when temporary marriage was supposedly ended. So.. he could have had any number of 1 night stands along the way.
hmmmmmmm
HATE SPEECH against Christians and Jews "May Allah destroy them" in 9:30 and "FIGHT those who do not believe in Allah and the last day" declaration of war against non muslims 9:29
Domestic violence (wife beating) approved 4:34
and... it just goes on,and on..and on.. too much material Ahhhhh yes, from the good book of the religion of peace.
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JOEL ABNER wrote: Dear fellow Aussies
it is not 'Muslims' we must fear..but Islam, and then.. Muslims who draw closest to their founder in doctrine and behavior..
But lets not be fear driven.. WE run the show here and after all, there are what? 400,000 of them out of 21 million or so?
The important thing for Aussies to understand is the true core values of "Islam" as a faith.
These include:
-Permitting marriage, sexual consumation, and divorce of pre-pubescent children.(See Quran 65:4 then Tafheem Al-Quran (maududi) on that verse.
-Sexual abuse of captive women (after there families have been killed Surah 23:5-6
-Mohammad claimed 'exclusive' sexual rights to 'any believing woman' not to mention all his slave girls..(sex toys) 33:50 "This only for you oh prophet"..errr yeah...RIGHT!!!!! "God told me"
This alleged revelation was invented long before the battle of Khayber when temporary marriage was supposedly ended. So.. he could have had any number of 1 night stands along the way.
hmmmmmmm
HATE SPEECH against Christians and Jews "May Allah destroy them" in 9:30 and "FIGHT those who do not believe in Allah and the last day" declaration of war against non muslims 9:29
Domestic violence (wife beating) approved 4:34
and... it just goes on,and on..and on.. too much material Listen cement head ,where did you get all these bullshiTTsss/stop harassing Muslims living in Australia. Find yourself new toy to play with. Be realistic OR GET YOUR SELF ScREWED,
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There is small number of racist pigs and their stupid comments about migrants, refugees and Muslims, on this forum, they trying stir up people
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text> You are also right that woman of all ages are subjected to the rapes and killings and the cases reported are less than half. That's not all that women are subjected to!!! Check out these freaks and tell Australians why we should embrace these people and their religion!!!! 'Barbarians' is the word that comes to my mind. * Mohammad gets very upset when he gets found out..... says Australia sucks! http://www.youtube.com/watch... And oh boy, this one should get a few backs up... * Islamic religious experts on female circumcision. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Gottaliv wrote: <quoted text> That's not all that women are subjected to!!! Check out these freaks and tell Australians why we should embrace these people and their religion!!!! 'Barbarians' is the word that comes to my mind. * Mohammad gets very upset when he gets found out..... says Australia sucks! http://www.youtube.com/watch... And oh boy, this one should get a few backs up... * Islamic religious experts on female circumcision. http://www.youtube.com/watch... Exactly this needs to be stopped.
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JOEL ABNER wrote: Dear fellow Aussies
it is not 'Muslims' we must fear..but Islam, and then.. Muslims who draw closest to their founder in doctrine and behavior..
But lets not be fear driven.. WE run the show here and after all, there are what? 400,000 of them out of 21 million or so?
The important thing for Aussies to understand is the true core values of "Islam" as a faith.
These include:
-Permitting marriage, sexual consumation, and divorce of pre-pubescent children.(See Quran 65:4 then Tafheem Al-Quran (maududi) on that verse.
-Sexual abuse of captive women (after there families have been killed Surah 23:5-6
-Mohammad claimed 'exclusive' sexual rights to 'any believing woman' not to mention all his slave girls..(sex toys) 33:50 "This only for you oh prophet"..errr yeah...RIGHT!!!!! "God told me"
This alleged revelation was invented long before the battle of Khayber when temporary marriage was supposedly ended. So.. he could have had any number of 1 night stands along the way.
hmmmmmmm
HATE SPEECH against Christians and Jews "May Allah destroy them" in 9:30 and "FIGHT those who do not believe in Allah and the last day" declaration of war against non muslims 9:29
Domestic violence (wife beating) approved 4:34
and... it just goes on,and on..and on.. too much material At the end of the day you have valid points given the doctrine. Its simple, Islam needs to be monitored so it does not get out of hand. If these muslems who follow the Koran and Hadith to the letter are not happy with accepting Judeo-Christian values they can leave, I would be happy to escort them to the airport. I got no problems with muslems who take the bad stuff in their doctrine with a grain of salt. But of course, given the doctrine non-mulsems need to be aware of the dangers of Islam.
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I mean at the end of the day the Koran repeatedly non-stop mandates the conversion of all to Islam, page after page after page. That is fact. The Hadith, which the greater majority of muslems believe in, is even worse. I mean mohamad fought in 78 battles/wars, 77 of which were offensive operations. That is fact according to Islamic texts which the great majority of muslems believe in. That's just the fact.
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Wow great thought through comments from our nations capital.
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Moiz Qidwai
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Gottaliv wrote: <quoted text> That's not all that women are subjected to!!! Check out these freaks and tell Australians why we should embrace these people and their religion!!!! 'Barbarians' is the word that comes to my mind. * Mohammad gets very upset when he gets found out..... says Australia sucks! http://www.youtube.com/watch... And oh boy, this one should get a few backs up... * Islamic religious experts on female circumcision. http://www.youtube.com/watch... Would you please tell clearly what you want to really say? You should state your comments, instead of asking people to go to a particular web site. We are not in web browsing business on these threads. You should put your conclusions here and let others comment on it.
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Gottaliv
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
Would you please tell clearly what you want to really say?
You should state your comments, instead of asking people to go to a particular web site. We are not in web browsing business on these threads.
You should put your conclusions here and let others comment on it. 1. I don't have to, as you say,'tell clearly' anything , the videos say it for me. It's all relevant. 2. I stated the only comment I wished to make. 3. We are in any sort of business we want to be in theses threads. Just like you're in the 'business' here of trying to convert people to your religion under the guise of debating. Remember freedom of speech is practiced in this country and you ARE preaching in an Australian forum. 4. You do you think YOU are telling ME what I 'should' and should not be doing? I don't tell anyone what I think they 'should' be doing and I don't tell you how or what to write. Do you own this forum? The choice is yours weather you read or click on anything I post. Just like the choice is mine to not read your long and drawn out Muslim preachings.
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This is it wrote: <quoted text>
At the end of the day you have valid points given the doctrine. Its simple, Islam needs to be monitored so it does not get out of hand. If these muslems who follow the Koran and Hadith to the letter are not happy with accepting Judeo-Christian values they can leave, I would be happy to escort them to the airport.
I got no problems with muslems who take the bad stuff in their doctrine with a grain of salt. But of course, given the doctrine non-mulsems need to be aware of the dangers of Islam. If you follow Islam correctly, it well never go out of hand, that is to say it will always lead you to the middle and natural path. I do not know what Judeo-Christian system you are talking about? Islam confirms all good things mentioned in Judaism and Christianity and corrects whatever distortions or errors introduced in them by human hands over the ages into the true teachings of these prophets. But I doubt if any Judeo-Christian system is applicable in any of the Western Countries. They are secular or atheist in their approach. Islam asks people to come to the right path that is its mission. Why it should not give that call in every page? Do you mean to say, it should advise people to be in the path of false hood? Quran had come to save people from error and not to let them continue in it. Finally, you have commented on the battles of our prophet as to how many of them were offensive and how many of them were defensive. Before commenting on our prophet, you should check the battles fought by prophet Moses, Joshua, David and other Jewish prophets. You should verify the percentage of offensive and defensive battles and the amount of total bloodshed in all these wars and what was the end result. Regarding our prophet, let me tell you, that total number of casualties (on both sides) during ten years of warfare did not even reach 1000. And the prophet was able to gain full control for a country of the size of Arabia for ever. The idolatry was rooted out from the land of Arabia for ever. In case of Jewish prophets, despite this much bloodshed, they could not root out Idolatry from the land. By any standards, wars fought by our prophet were the most humane wars, that is possible on the face of this earth. Before commenting on our prophet, you should look into your own cupboards.
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