Rape questioning 'degrading'

Apr 18, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News.com.au

“But do we have to make it so prolonged, do we have to make it so traumatic? That's what we should be looking at to change.”

OUTSPOKEN gang-rape victim Tegan Wagner says NSW laws stop short of protecting witnesses of sex crimes during cross-examination by defence barristers. via News.com.au

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“Ride Hard Die Free”

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#22 Jun 23, 2008
just candid wrote:
False rape accusation are, in my opinion, just as severe as rape, as a matter of fact falsely accusing someone of rape or any other violent crime and allowing them to suffer being jailed and/or imprisoned is rape in itself. The after effects are the same; shame,disgrace,trauma, fear of being falsley accused again, etc. False accusations of rape or any other violent crime(s) destroy lives.
Very wise and true.
just candid

Nashville, TN

#23 Jun 23, 2008
Here in the male bashing, male hating state of Tennessee, women who falsely accuse a man of rape or any other violent crime are allowed to commit perjury. Here a woman's word is considered as good as gold. The feminazis and manginas in the DA's office will take a woman's word over the word of a man anyday.http://news.mensactivis m.org/
just candid

Nashville, TN

#24 Jun 23, 2008
just candid

Nashville, TN

#25 Jun 23, 2008
There are many innocent people serving sentences in the U.S. and the world.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/

“A world full of hypocrites”

Since: Jul 07

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#26 Jun 23, 2008
just candid wrote:
"All men are rapists and that's all they are. They rape us with their eyes, their laws, and their codes"
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Marilyn French
A quote from a famous american feminist that is still taken to heart by many women,police officers,prosecutors, juries,lawyers, judges, the american media and, general public.
The problem with little gems like the Marylin French quote above, is that a man simply admiring a woman passing by, is then seen as a potential rapist, when all he's been guilty of, by looking in her direction, is complimenting the woman on the obvious efforts she made with her presentation of herself, in her grooming, make up and clothing, on that particular occasion.

Lets face it, we all admire beauty, and to be fair, women do dress to feel good about themselves. This is nicely reinforced when their efforts are appreciated by men noticing them.

That quote is as reasonable as it is unreasonable, because not every man is the same.

The Law has been called an ass, and there's no doubt, it can be harsh, but there are two sides to every story, and for anyone to establish guilt or innocence, they must be in possession of all the facts.

Whether there's a need for a victim of rape to be publicly humiliated and more or less raped all over again, is an argument, which in a case where all is above board, could be called unnecessary.

BUT, in all fairness, how on earth are those responsible for deciding guilt or innocence, supposed to establish the facts, if they can't question all people involved.

Maybe a booth allowing the alleged victim some privacy and dignity could be used???

Then again, I'm a person who can read peoples behaviour and I'd want to watch any person giving evidence, to be sure what they were saying was in fact, the truth, and I'm sure when people try to imagine themselves in such a position, they'd agree, it's not an unreasonable way to do things.

I do however have great sympathy for the victim and the ordeal she's alleged to have endured, but how else can justice be effectively done?
just candid

Nashville, TN

#27 Jun 23, 2008
wallabyedward wrote:
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The problem with little gems like the Marylin French quote above, is that a man simply admiring a woman passing by, is then seen as a potential rapist, when all he's been guilty of, by looking in her direction, is complimenting the woman on the obvious efforts she made with her presentation of herself, in her grooming, make up and clothing, on that particular occasion.
Lets face it, we all admire beauty, and to be fair, women do dress to feel good about themselves. This is nicely reinforced when their efforts are appreciated by men noticing them.
That quote is as reasonable as it is unreasonable, because not every man is the same.
The Law has been called an ass, and there's no doubt, it can be harsh, but there are two sides to every story, and for anyone to establish guilt or innocence, they must be in possession of all the facts.
Whether there's a need for a victim of rape to be publicly humiliated and more or less raped all over again, is an argument, which in a case where all is above board, could be called unnecessary.
BUT, in all fairness, how on earth are those responsible for deciding guilt or innocence, supposed to establish the facts, if they can't question all people involved.
Maybe a booth allowing the alleged victim some privacy and dignity could be used???
Then again, I'm a person who can read peoples behaviour and I'd want to watch any person giving evidence, to be sure what they were saying was in fact, the truth, and I'm sure when people try to imagine themselves in such a position, they'd agree, it's not an unreasonable way to do things.
I do however have great sympathy for the victim and the ordeal she's alleged to have endured, but how else can justice be effectively done?
Correct. I have been arguing with feminists over the need for the alleged rape victim and the true rape victim to be questioned in the same manner as any male who has been allegedly or truely raped would be. For men and boys there is no anoniminity during any investigation into their accusations or any trial that may result. It is harder for men and boys to report being raped (moreso for men because of the stigmas attached and society's current way of thinking). Not meaining to be off topic but here is more; http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/male/myths_a...
just candid

Nashville, TN

#28 Jun 23, 2008
just candid

Nashville, TN

#29 Jun 23, 2008
just candid

Nashville, TN

#32 Jun 23, 2008
I think most people tend to view men who have been raped the same as people ,in the past, viewed female rape victims ( "she asked for it").
just candid

Nashville, TN

#33 Jun 23, 2008
just candid

Nashville, TN

#34 Jun 23, 2008
I believe the data concerning male rape is incomplete due to the unwillingness of the victims to report the crime and feminist influence in the justice system.
angelus

Belrose, Australia

#35 Jun 23, 2008
just candid wrote:
False rape accusation are, in my opinion, just as severe as rape, as a matter of fact falsely accusing someone of rape or any other violent crime and allowing them to suffer being jailed and/or imprisoned is rape in itself. The after effects are the same; shame,disgrace,trauma, fear of being falsley accused again, etc. False accusations of rape or any other violent crime(s) destroy lives.
i have to agrey
Lawyer

Melbourne, Australia

#36 Jun 24, 2008
^^ Just candid why are you taking over an Australian discussion group ?

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#37 Jun 24, 2008
Lawyer wrote:
^^ Just candid why are you taking over an Australian discussion group ?
I guess he's commenting to the world. Rape, it's victims, and the way it's handled through the courts, are a global problem.

He sure feels strongly about this. Like you, I wondered about that.

I may be wrong, but I sense a lot of anger in his words. Maybe he should tell us what's actually motivating him to post so much.
just candid

Nashville, TN

#38 Jun 25, 2008
I am not trying to take over the group. I am an advocate for men's rights. Though rape is largely considered a crime that victimizes women, men have also been victims of this crime. Here in the U.S. it is only beginning to get noticed, although feminists here still refuse to acknowlege male rape victims. Even law enforcement agencies, police officers, the legal and judicial systems and, lawmakers barely believe it happens and are not as equipped to deal with it as when the victim(s) are women. Men who report being raped are shamed and humiliated by the afore mentioned feminists and authorities unlike women who are consoled and treated with dignity and respect. Recently there have been reports of men being exonerated after spending years even decades in prison because of false rape accusations and false witness testimony regarding a woman ,or women being raped. I hope to raise awareness of both of these crimes to the people of the world. I admit I am angry and frustrated but, rather than go on a rant and spew hate and vitriol as feminists have here in the U.S., I present my statements and post links that will provide more information on these subjects in the most direct manner possible.
just candid

Nashville, TN

#39 Jun 25, 2008
Here in Tennessee, it takes only the word of a woman to have a man put in jail and/or prison.
just candid

Nashville, TN

#40 Jun 25, 2008
just candid

Nashville, TN

#41 Jun 25, 2008
I hope the people of Australia never let this happen

“I Didn't Hit You”

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#42 Jun 25, 2008
just candid wrote:
I am not trying to take over the group. I am an advocate for men's rights. Though rape is largely considered a crime that victimizes women, men have also been victims of this crime. Here in the U.S. it is only beginning to get noticed, although feminists here still refuse to acknowlege male rape victims. Even law enforcement agencies, police officers, the legal and judicial systems and, lawmakers barely believe it happens and are not as equipped to deal with it as when the victim(s) are women. Men who report being raped are shamed and humiliated by the afore mentioned feminists and authorities unlike women who are consoled and treated with dignity and respect. Recently there have been reports of men being exonerated after spending years even decades in prison because of false rape accusations and false witness testimony regarding a woman ,or women being raped. I hope to raise awareness of both of these crimes to the people of the world. I admit I am angry and frustrated but, rather than go on a rant and spew hate and vitriol as feminists have here in the U.S., I present my statements and post links that will provide more information on these subjects in the most direct manner possible.
Good on your for raising awareness on male rape. It is something that we don't hear of generally, yet is something that affects our communities. Rape doesn't discriminate, and neither should the law. Good luck to you mate, and keep up te good work.
just candid

Nashville, TN

#43 Jun 25, 2008
Kazzi wrote:
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Good on your for raising awareness on male rape. It is something that we don't hear of generally, yet is something that affects our communities. Rape doesn't discriminate, and neither should the law. Good luck to you mate, and keep up te good work.
Thank you. If you would like to know more information regarding men's rights visit; http://news.mensactivism.org/

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