Analysis: China's aircraft carrier: in name only

Aug 28, 2012 Full story: WTAX-AM Springfield 106

When Japanese activists scrambled ashore on a disputed island chain in the East China Sea this month, one of China's most hawkish military commentators proposed an uncharacteristically mild response.

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Paul Krugman

UK

#1 Aug 29, 2012
LMFFAO
Paul Krugman

UK

#2 Aug 29, 2012
Hyperpower China.... LMAO

Talk about the hype and the hyperbole.... HAHAHA
bohart

Newport, TN

#3 Aug 29, 2012
Carriers are as obsolete today as the battleship was in WWII.There simply hasn't been an altercation to prove it.With modern missile technology it's incredibly vulnerable. Subs and missiles will rule the seas in the next sea war, not carriers.
Paul Krugman

UK

#4 Aug 29, 2012
Yup, figures why chinamen are desperate to build one.
LOL

London, UK

#5 Aug 29, 2012
bohart wrote:
Carriers are as obsolete today as the battleship was in WWII.There simply hasn't been an altercation to prove it.With modern missile technology it's incredibly vulnerable. Subs and missiles will rule the seas in the next sea war, not carriers.
Correct. They are really just status symbols.

A tactical first strike with a range of missiles will result in the deck being inoperable [i.e. to scramble your fighter jets]- which is the whole point of having a carrier in the first place.

And today even small relatively poor countries can fire the missiles necessary to take out a carrier [render it unusable] with the right know-how.

Waste of money.
HanSolo

San Jose, CA

#6 Aug 29, 2012
Air Crafts combat range = 1200 miles
Anti Ship Missle range = 200 to 300 miles (avg.)

If I have money, I still like to have some Carrier.:)

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#7 Aug 29, 2012
I think they bought the USS Bill Clinton.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/0...
Myth Buster

Petaling Jaya, Malaysia

#8 Aug 29, 2012
HanSolo wrote:
Air Crafts combat range = 1200 miles
Anti Ship Missle range = 200 to 300 miles (avg.)
If I have money, I still like to have some Carrier.:)
Most wars are fought between David and Goliath.
E.g. USA VS Taliban
or China VS Somali pirates. In these situations carriers are useful.

All out war between USA and China is pretty unlikely.
More likely we are going to see relentless propaganda war and proxy wars. Every thing we see on TV or read in books will be distorted to suit USA's grand objective of containing China.

Combat radius of carrier based air crafts are about 1000 km. They have Tomahawk that go further than 1000 km. If they carry too much fuel then they can't carry too much bombs.
They are pretty useless.
China's anti ship missiles with range of 2000 km will keep them out of striking range. That's why USA want to hide them in Perth.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#9 Aug 29, 2012
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>Most wars are fought between David and Goliath.
E.g. USA VS Taliban
or China VS Somali pirates. In these situations carriers are useful.

All out war between USA and China is pretty unlikely.
More likely we are going to see relentless propaganda war and proxy wars. Every thing we see on TV or read in books will be distorted to suit USA's grand objective of containing China.

Combat radius of carrier based air crafts are about 1000 km. They have Tomahawk that go further than 1000 km. If they carry too much fuel then they can't carry too much bombs.
They are pretty useless.
China's anti ship missiles with range of 2000 km will keep them out of striking range. That's why USA want to hide them in Perth.
Until the US deals with their internal Zionist NWO problems, we will not give them full cooperation. They have become aggressive instigators & we no longer have reason to trust them.
BRAINS VS MACHINES

Brooklyn, NY

#10 Aug 29, 2012
Gee, how's that war going in Afghanistan against them super hi tech Tally Bans.

A-HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA!
Anglo-Saxon Celt

Sydney, Australia

#11 Aug 29, 2012
bohart wrote:
Carriers are as obsolete today as the battleship was in WWII.There simply hasn't been an altercation to prove it.With modern missile technology it's incredibly vulnerable.
Even when a carrier is surrounded by a supporting fleet cruisers, destroyers and subs?
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#12 Aug 29, 2012
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.


Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.


The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49280...
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#13 Aug 29, 2012
Chinese 'Carrier-Killer' Missile Could Reshape Sea Combat | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/08/06/chinese-carri... China is developing an unprecedented new missile designed to strike even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 900 miles.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#14 Aug 30, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.


Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.


The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49280...
Japan also famously tried to use western designed weapons against us. In hindsight, they learned to regret their arrogance.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#15 Aug 30, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.


Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.


The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49280...
Japan famously tried to use our own weapons against us as well. In hindsight, it was a regrettable decision for them. Stop pretending to be important when you patently are not.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#16 Aug 30, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
Chinese 'Carrier-Killer' Missile Could Reshape Sea Combat | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/08/06/chinese-carri... · China is developing an unprecedented new missile designed to strike even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 900 miles.
You smell of seamen.
HanSolo

San Jose, CA

#19 Aug 30, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
Chinese 'Carrier-Killer' Missile Could Reshape Sea Combat | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/08/06/chinese-carri... China is developing an unprecedented new missile designed to strike even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 900 miles.
Can you tell us why the Russian and American have not thought of this technology if it is feasible? Seriously, why did they not develope such?

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#20 Aug 30, 2012
HanSolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you tell us why the Russian and American have not thought of this technology if it is feasible? Seriously, why did they not develope such?
The US has had it for a long time. It started out as the Polaris program. Now there is anti missile technology.
HanSolo

San Jose, CA

#21 Aug 30, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced......
I was wondering why the sub surface if it is undetected.
HanSolo

San Jose, CA

#22 Aug 30, 2012
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
The US has had it for a long time. It started out as the Polaris program. Now there is anti missile technology.
Polaris is a SLBM not ASBM.

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