Angry cattle farmers threaten class action

Jun 11, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Sydney Morning Herald

CATTLE farmers may take legal action against Meat and Livestock Australia, to claim for damages over the Indonesian export ban.

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Ahomana

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Jun 11, 2011
 
And so they should, where was their(MLA's) proof that Indonesian abotiors and "butchers" were brutalising animals before slaughter, this is a country with no animal rights that obviosly employ workers that are sadistic and sick in the head, and it is the livestock body who recieve money from Aussies to vet these places and their practices and they failed dismally "or perhaps knew" and were more interested in recieving their ongoing fees to the detriment of animal welfare...only time will tell. Although there are over 700 abotiors in Indonesia and it took one girl with a handicam to stumble on to the "only" three abotiors that had cruel and sick and inhumane practices......what were her chances?...We shouldn't be dealing with any country that fails to adhere to basic humane rules for the management of animal welfare. OH DER!
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lucky that girl with camera didn't get raped and groped by indon men very lucky indeed maybe she was sleeping with a balinese hindu already lol

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This legal talk is fraudulent as the legal people know full well that the livestock corp have no say who slaughters the beast and how after it has been sold to any abattoir outside those funded by Australian concerns.
In taking money to incite court action in this subject is fraud
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Neville Thompson wrote:
This legal talk is fraudulent as the legal people know full well that the livestock corp have no say who slaughters the beast and how after it has been sold to any abattoir outside those funded by Australian concerns.
In taking money to incite court action in this subject is fraud
They cannot themselves as a body bring a halt to the export industry but they do have a responsibility to report any abuse and or torture of Australian livestock overseas to the attention to the farmers and the Australian government......otherwise what is the point of their existence.....also .......they understand our practice and policies on animal welfare and it should have been reported way before now, we had the same problems shipping live animals to the Middle East and again it wasn't those in charge of protecting Australia's live exports that brought this to the fore.....it is amazing to anyone how Indonesia has so many abotiors and yet the MLA, nor our government was aware of any of this till it was reported on the ABC.. and if they and the govenment was informed earlier in the peice, they could have headed off this catastophe for the farmers and been able to put our concerns to the Indonesian's without the hysteria......too late now.....
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the greedy selfish bastards, so they could not care less if there cattle are tortured and slowly mutilated before they are killed.

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Ahomana wrote:
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They cannot themselves as a body bring a halt to the export industry but they do have a responsibility to report any abuse and or torture of Australian livestock overseas to the attention to the farmers and the Australian government......otherwise what is the point of their existence.....also .......they understand our practice and policies on animal welfare and it should have been reported way before now, we had the same problems shipping live animals to the Middle East and again it wasn't those in charge of protecting Australia's live exports that brought this to the fore.....it is amazing to anyone how Indonesia has so many abortions and yet the MLA, nor our government was aware of any of this till it was reported on the ABC.. and if they and the government was informed earlier in the price, they could have headed off this causative for the farmers and been able to put our concerns to the Indonesia's without the hysteria......too late now.....
Wrong.
We are venturing into a different race of people who see thing Asian,who practise differences to us in everyday life and we have as much right to police them as they do of us
We are not and never will be seen as Asian
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Wrong.
We are venturing into a different race of people who see thing Asian,who practise differences to us in everyday life and we have as much right to police them as they do of us
We are not and never will be seen as Asian
I am at a loss as to the tone of your point.....The RSPCA has stated that the Livestock association is responsible for failing to ensure protection for our oversease animals, and that they the RSPCA has informed the government and the livestock trade of these inhumane practices to no avail until someone from the animal rights movement working for the media did just that via the tv...and now the shit has hit the fan and the MLA are having to move into damage control....makes you believe the farmers not only have a point they might also have a good case....

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I am at a loss as to the tone of your point.....The RSPCA has stated that the Livestock association is responsible for failing to ensure protection for our oversease animals, and that they the RSPCA has informed the government and the livestock trade of these inhumane practices to no avail until someone from the animal rights movement working for the media did just that via the tv...and now the shit has hit the fan and the MLA are having to move into damage control....makes you believe the farmers not only have a point they might also have a good case....
Plain and simple,the jurisdiction of the Australian RSPCA finishes when the ship reaches it's destination port and the livestock transfers ownership.
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Plain and simple,the jurisdiction of the Australian RSPCA finishes when the ship reaches it's destination port and the livestock transfers ownership.
The abuse of animals,and shipping them to the middle east,and live horses shipped to europe and ponies,and the i,ll treatmeny exposed and yet it goes on world wide,australia is no exception with their cattle.This does not make it right,and if Animals are killed it will never be humane,because we are animals,and the animal instinct in us always comes out,don,t forget how we treat our fellow humans,Pol Pot-Adolph Hitler to name a few.
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If the farmers can prove that they were totally reliant on the MLA for accurate information pertaining to the success of their cattle being shipped to foreign countries and that they the MLA had full knowledge of the inhumane practices that were taking place there, but were negligent in passing on this knowledge to their clients then the farmers should be well within their rights to sue them .....And if the case can be proved that the MLA were paid for a service, and that the service was flawed,dishonest or damaging to the farmers livelyhood, they have every right to pursue it....

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Ahomana wrote:
If the farmers can prove that they were totally reliant on the MLA for accurate information pertaining to the success of their cattle being shipped to foreign countries and that they the MLA had full knowledge of the inhumane practices that were taking place there, but were negligent in passing on this knowledge to their clients then the farmers should be well within their rights to sue them .....And if the case can be proved that the MLA were paid for a service, and that the service was flawed,dishonest or damaging to the farmers livelihood, they have every right to pursue it....
The cattlemen are there to sell Moo Cows to anybody willing to pay for them.
If the customer is cruel then what business is of yours seeing the animals are going there to be killed for human consumption.
If you worked within this industry you would see this saga differently and be wondering what is all the fuss about.
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The cattlemen are there to sell Moo Cows to anybody willing to pay for them.
If the customer is cruel then what business is of yours seeing the animals are going there to be killed for human consumption.
If you worked within this industry you would see this saga differently and be wondering what is all the fuss about.
Actually no, I wouldn't see it differently, although I do see the point that it's about the money first, though most farmers have agreed to a ban to the particular abotiors at fault, though not one that punishes the whole industry for the few, because they also care greatly for their animals welfare and are at a loss to explain the reason for Indonesia's cruelty and inhumane treatment of their cattle. So even though it's a hypothetical, my concern would be for the condition and well being of the animals first.....maybe that's why I am not in the industry because I could never stand by and watch uneccesary cruelty to them.....

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Actually no, I wouldn't see it differently, although I do see the point that it's about the money first, though most farmers have agreed to a ban to the particular abortions at fault, though not one that punishes the whole industry for the few, because they also care greatly for their animals welfare and are at a loss to explain the reason for Indonesia's cruelty and inhumane treatment of their cattle. So even though it's a hypothetical, my concern would be for the condition and well being of the animals first.....maybe that's why I am not in the industry because I could never stand by and watch intercessory cruelty to them.....
It's not in the best interest of the cattlemen to deliver bruised meat to the customer because a big lump of bruised meat cannot be sold.
There are always examples of what you personally see as cruelty and these instances are just as quickly forgotten as the next one as just part of the job.

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If the farmers can prove that they were totally reliant on the MLA for accurate information pertaining to the success of their cattle being shipped to foreign countries and that they the MLA had full knowledge of the inhumane practices that were taking place there, but were negligent in passing on this knowledge to their clients then the farmers should be well within their rights to sue them .....And if the case can be proved that the MLA were paid for a service, and that the service was flawed,dishonest or damaging to the farmers livelyhood, they have every right to pursue it....
How old are you ?
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How old are you ?
My age has a bearing on my humanity? or the fact that I find cruelty to animals something I could never stand for?....because if you think intelligence is linked to age we are all in trouble....the fact that you believe someone with youth can be more humane and tolerant than an adult is in itself disturbing, if that was your inference....... the answer to your question is 29 what about you?
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LOL! and 90% of the public are in favor of banning live exports

Wonder which way our beef eating opposition leader is going to swing?

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If it takes banning of live exports to prevent the level of cruelty we saw on TV then live exports should be banned. It's not acceptable by any civilized standards.

In addition, there is huge needless loss en route. Animals that do not survive the ocean voyage have been known to reach as high as 40% of some consignments. The dead are simply disposed of overboard.

Humane slaughter here and refrigerated transport without the chronic pattern of waste would be in everyone's best interests also.

To neglect that for the sake of antiquated and discredited superstition is not justifiable in today's more enlightened world.
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The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
If it takes banning of live exports to prevent the level of cruelty we saw on TV then live exports should be banned. It's not acceptable by any civilized standards.
In addition, there is huge needless loss en route. Animals that do not survive the ocean voyage have been known to reach as high as 40% of some consignments. The dead are simply disposed of overboard.
Humane slaughter here and refrigerated transport without the chronic pattern of waste would be in everyone's best interests also.
To neglect that for the sake of antiquated and discredited superstition is not justifiable in today's more enlightened world.
Yes I agree with this point of view,but i am afraid money usually rules,but the australian government have taken action in ruling out the suffering of animals bfore slaughter
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The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
If it takes banning of live exports to prevent the level of cruelty we saw on TV then live exports should be banned. It's not acceptable by any civilized standards.
In addition, there is huge needless loss en route. Animals that do not survive the ocean voyage have been known to reach as high as 40% of some consignments. The dead are simply disposed of overboard.
Humane slaughter here and refrigerated transport without the chronic pattern of waste would be in everyone's best interests also.
To neglect that for the sake of antiquated and discredited superstition is not justifiable in today's more enlightened world.
What crock. I recall living in Perth in the early 1970s watching a TV documentary in black and white on channel 9 on the live sheep export to Saudi Arabia from Perth. On board the sheep carrier the journalist filmed the Australian crew throwing sick sheep still alive overboard. The boat was followed by sharks and the sheep were eaten alive as they landed in the water.

Both the journalist and the crew shared a joke about making sure not too many feed the sharks lest the Arabs don't pay them.

Australians forget what a frontier mentality existed in this country and how the treatment of livestock has always been no more barbaric then as it is now. Suddenly overnight we claim to be humanitarians and have the gall to tell other countries (our trading partners) how they should be treating animals. This in a country that still treats it's indigenous population worse than animals.

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My age has a bearing on my humanity? or the fact that I find cruelty to animals something I could never stand for?....because if you think intelligence is linked to age we are all in trouble....the fact that you believe someone with youth can be more humane and tolerant than an adult is in itself disturbing, if that was your inference....... the answer to your question is 29 what about you?
My age is 54, Have you ever worked with food chain animals,as in sheep and cattle ?

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