Crackdown on alternative medicine

Mar 13, 2012 Full story: Sydney Morning Herald 876

HOMEOPATHS are facing a fight to defend their practice in Australia after the National Health and Medical Research Council flagged it might declare their work baseless and unethical.

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Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#1 Mar 13, 2012
I can't see how they can say this, homeopaths have been around since the beginning of time...and general medicine has it's limitations... sometimes a patient will have survived cancer or a death sentence against every best opinion of the medical profession, so if that is the case then there are things about the human body and the patient that dumbfounds even their most qualified....they are losing patients and are attemting to attack those natural industries that are gaining popularity...The medical profession should put the well being of the sick ahead of their loss of customers.....First do no harm!....
sheesh

Adelaide, Australia

#2 Mar 13, 2012
Homoeopathy a scam you utter idiot

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#3 Mar 13, 2012
sheesh wrote:
Homoeopathy a scam you utter idiot
Thank you DR Sheesh!
sheesh

Adelaide, Australia

#4 Mar 13, 2012
feel free to educate yourself
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTo...
sid bris

Brisbane, Australia

#5 Mar 13, 2012
sheesh wrote:
feel free to educate yourself
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTo...
Excellent article is you support the FDA and pharmaceutical companies.
Feel free to educate yourself
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usame...
sid bris

Brisbane, Australia

#6 Mar 13, 2012
Feel free to educate yourself.
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#7 Mar 13, 2012
sheesh wrote:
feel free to educate yourself
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTo...
The effects even though they may only be placebo ones are as effective because the body heals best when the mind beleives it is posible...
Doctors are not the sharpest tools in the shed they don't have all the answers and they have had their times of charletonism as the leaches and blood letting for cures.
The Chinese and a number of Aboriginal tribes have been using plants bark and herbs for years and it has held them in good stead.
it is becoming harder and harder to get into see your GP when you are actually sick and if there is an alternative, people have the right to seek it...it is up to them to decide...
God knows the ammount of people doctors kill a year with over prescribed or wrongly prescribed drugs, this is around 150,000 and because of a new computer monitoring system it is comeing down....but if I were ill I would always travel the natural alternative before consulting a GP for a quick fix and most times it works for whatever reason.
I put less strain on the medical profession (who are thin on the ground) and in most cases I can heal myself as my parents and theirs did for general ailments and infections. We are going to the hospital and the GP for the most natural diseases when there is no need...To try everything in your power to heal yourself first for basic illness is a good thing....I remember when you got a flu you could be in bed for as long as three months(I was) but today a couple of days off work a few pills and then you are back...the pills are taken over a week or month so what are they doing back at work...they are there because the doctor and his pills make them seem on the outside as though they are fine but in truth they are still ill, I often wonder what this does to us internally will it shorten our life because even though we are still ill there are no signs because the pills are masking them but we are still working...how much stress does this put on our body and minds....
sheesh

Adelaide, Australia

#8 Mar 13, 2012
sid bris wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent article is you support the FDA and pharmaceutical companies.
Feel free to educate yourself
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usame...
Shocking statistics and I thank you for the information.
But does it mean people should take their medical problems to a fraudulent quack? Maybe you think so if you are making money from quackery. Are you a Homeopath?(I am not a doctor or anything to do with medicine OR quackery)
sid bris

Brisbane, Australia

#9 Mar 13, 2012
Quite often people turn to alternative therapies out of frustration and disillusionment with main stream medicine. Contrary to conventional doctors alternative therapists recognise their limitations and do not set themselves up the be all and end all of healing.
I contracted malaria in 1982, I had 6 or 7 reoccurances of it up to 2000. 1999 I spent in East Timor where I got Malaria again as well as dengue fever, I went to China in 2000 not fully recovered, and in a pretty bad way. My now chinese wife contacted the "Shanghai University Of Herbal Medicine" they recomended herbal treaments which we bought at the local medicine store for the grand sum of $6.00 Aud, after two weeks I was feeling much better, after a month I was fully recovered and have not had a single reoccurance of malaria since. The quinine based drugs I had taken in the past had suppressed the malaria parasite in my blood sufficient for my immune system to deal with it but did not eliminated the parasite, the chinese herbal medicine eliminated it entirely.
sid bris

Brisbane, Australia

#10 Mar 13, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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The effects even though they may only be placebo ones are as effective because the body heals best when the mind beleives it is posible...
Doctors are not the sharpest tools in the shed they don't have all the answers and they have had their times of charletonism as the leaches and blood letting for cures.
The Chinese and a number of Aboriginal tribes have been using plants bark and herbs for years and it has held them in good stead.
it is becoming harder and harder to get into see your GP when you are actually sick and if there is an alternative, people have the right to seek it...it is up to them to decide...
God knows the ammount of people doctors kill a year with over prescribed or wrongly prescribed drugs, this is around 150,000 and because of a new computer monitoring system it is comeing down....but if I were ill I would always travel the natural alternative before consulting a GP for a quick fix and most times it works for whatever reason.
I put less strain on the medical profession (who are thin on the ground) and in most cases I can heal myself as my parents and theirs did for general ailments and infections. We are going to the hospital and the GP for the most natural diseases when there is no need...To try everything in your power to heal yourself first for basic illness is a good thing....I remember when you got a flu you could be in bed for as long as three months(I was) but today a couple of days off work a few pills and then you are back...the pills are taken over a week or month so what are they doing back at work...they are there because the doctor and his pills make them seem on the outside as though they are fine but in truth they are still ill, I often wonder what this does to us internally will it shorten our life because even though we are still ill there are no signs because the pills are masking them but we are still working...how much stress does this put on our body and minds....
The numbers vary depending where you look but it seems that there are approximately 2,000,000 iatrogenic deaths worldwide yearly.
sid bris

Brisbane, Australia

#11 Mar 13, 2012
The Chinese have been using herbal medicine for thousands of years, to say that it all bullshit, doesn't work is the height of pig ignorance. One thing I know for sure about Chinese people is that they would not have been using it for so long if it didn't work, Chinese people don't waste anything, especially their time.

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#12 Mar 13, 2012
sheesh wrote:
<quoted text>
Shocking statistics and I thank you for the information.
But does it mean people should take their medical problems to a fraudulent quack? Maybe you think so if you are making money from quackery. Are you a Homeopath?(I am not a doctor or anything to do with medicine OR quackery)
There are a good deal of quacks in the medical proffession and I bet they burried most of their mistakes.....so Homeopathy at it's best generates a placebo effect at it's worst it doesn't physically heal anthing more than a bruise.
And if it is about money how much have doctors taken from their patients from ongoing visits, blood tests, specialist appointments for the same ailment before the patient gets some pills that might work and the doc gets a new palatial residence...they are the biggest crooks known to man and they hide behind their so called humanity when most don't listen enough to diagnose a pimple...if I had to pay any other seviceman to do the same job then pay to bring in machines and the like to diagnose and it was ongoing he wouldn't get paid....But most people wont speak out against greedy, arrogant. dismissive doctors, like they never used to about priests and their goings on....they believe they need them for all their ills and not just the dying ones...silly sausages....

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#13 Mar 13, 2012
sid bris wrote:
<quoted text>
The numbers vary depending where you look but it seems that there are approximately 2,000,000 iatrogenic deaths worldwide yearly.
Thank you for that I knew it was a lot so the need for a better monitoring system that they are implementing now....
also there are the infections and illness caused because of the high rate of doctors who fail to wash their hands.
sheesh

Adelaide, Australia

#14 Mar 13, 2012
sid bris wrote:
Quite often people turn to alternative therapies out of frustration and disillusionment with main stream medicine. Contrary to conventional doctors alternative therapists recognise their limitations and do not set themselves up the be all and end all of healing.
I contracted malaria in 1982, I had 6 or 7 reoccurances of it up to 2000. 1999 I spent in East Timor where I got Malaria again as well as dengue fever, I went to China in 2000 not fully recovered, and in a pretty bad way. My now chinese wife contacted the "Shanghai University Of Herbal Medicine" they recomended herbal treaments which we bought at the local medicine store for the grand sum of $6.00 Aud, after two weeks I was feeling much better, after a month I was fully recovered and have not had a single reoccurance of malaria since. The quinine based drugs I had taken in the past had suppressed the malaria parasite in my blood sufficient for my immune system to deal with it but did not eliminated the parasite, the chinese herbal medicine eliminated it entirely.
If Chinese medicine ingredients were diluted to parts per million would it still be effective?

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#15 Mar 13, 2012
sheesh wrote:
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If Chinese medicine ingredients were diluted to parts per million would it still be effective?
Modern day drugs are losing their benefits as they are being more and more overprescribed by doctors for the most minor of ailments, you must ask yourself how effective will they be in say 20years time....that is why they are looking to nature, at plants, animals and the oceans to find a drug as effective as penicilin has been...there are many in the scientific field wh believe that in the future dihorea and bacterial infections will be rampant and have the possibility of causing death in plague proportions because of our overuse of penicilin now....
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#16 Mar 13, 2012
This sudden "desire" by the NHMRC to crack down on what they term "alternative" medicine seems to indicate somebody on the NHMRC council is reacting to a complaint or is on a personal crusade.

The AMA have a vested interest in discrediting alternative medicine so to funnel back worried clientele back to their clinics.

The homeopathic and chiropractic therapists need to counter this witch hunt and establish registration boards and a code of conduct and ethical practice much like any other medical body.

We know that some herbal remedies have positive effect but of course many have a type of placebo effect and the dispensing of ineffective medicine should be outlawed.

Finally therapist groups need to subscribe to published peer reviewed findings before dispensing therapy to a unwitting public. Case in point - chiropractors subscribe to a theory of sublaxation in the spine in children that (they claim) causes developmental delays. The Chiros believe physical manipualtion of the spine will treat this sublaxation. The problem here is there is no scientific evidence that sublaxation exists, parents are allowing Chiros to bend and twist toddlers and even babies spines - a practice that is highly dangerous.

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#17 Mar 14, 2012
To the dickhead that gave me a clueless read and weep you moron

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/01/anti...

Since: Dec 10

Canberra, Australia

#18 Mar 14, 2012
Oh and a PS to the toad.....up yours!
Mark

Canberra, Australia

#19 Mar 14, 2012
Just because something has been around for a long time is no indication that it works, for example bleeding people was the main medical intervention for centuries and for most illnesses it does nothing or even worsens the condition.

Anyone considering using "ancient treatments" should consider the fact that the average human lifespan has doubled over the past 100 years.

In 1900 the average Chinese male lifespan was 30 years old - when all he had access to was TCM and acupuncture. Now it is over 70 due in large part to scientific medicine.
sid bris

Brisbane, Australia

#20 Mar 14, 2012
sheesh wrote:
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If Chinese medicine ingredients were diluted to parts per million would it still be effective?
Don't know, depends on what you believe, the best doctor you can have is the one you believe in.

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