China's illegal Christians pray for c...

China's illegal Christians pray for country where 'there is no God'

There are 93 comments on the Ottawa Citizen story from Dec 30, 2010, titled China's illegal Christians pray for country where 'there is no God'. In it, Ottawa Citizen reports that:

A worshipper arranges flower decorations to celebrate the upcoming Christmas Day in a Christian church in Kunming, Yunnan province December 23, 2010.

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Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#1 Dec 30, 2010
What a joke! We have 1000s of gods. What we don't have is a papist 5th column
old china

Chengdu, China

#2 Dec 30, 2010
We also have millions of "legal" Christians along with "legal" Christian churches and "legal" Christian cathederals.

Since: Mar 08

Beaverton, OR

#3 Dec 31, 2010
poor China, even the harmless Falun Gong people are oppressed to the extreme and their internal organs harvested
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#5 Dec 31, 2010
Leonard 68 wrote:
poor China, even the harmless Falun Gong people are oppressed to the extreme and their internal organs harvested
They brought it down on their own heads, and deserve to lose them. Contributing their useful parts is the least they can do to mitigate the harm they have done
Andrez Lopez

United States

#6 Dec 31, 2010
old china wrote:
We also have millions of "legal" Christians along with "legal" Christian churches and "legal" Christian cathederals.
Thanks for posting your view from Chengdu, China. Forgive and forget that idiot from Canada who has come up with the term of 'Illegal Christians'.

To avoid this kind of stupid ideas, the Chinese Official Catholic Church, which they call themselves, should separate themselves from the Vatican, and call themselve the Chinese Catholic Church. The Vatican has time and again not listened to our missioneries to recognise the Chinese government when even the United States has recognized the Chinese government. The Chinese people are thirsty for the TRUTH. If the Vatican will not help, the Chinese Catholic Church should come up with her own ideas of how to cover their needs.

They should elect their own Pope, who should not listen to the dictates of the Vatican but instead listen to what the Holy Spirit tells him.
He should constantly be praying for the Holy Spirit to give him guidance of how to lead the Chinese Catholic Church and later on to lead the Universal Catholic Church to bring about peace in the world.

The Vatican has failed to bring peace to the world. The Holy See in Rome do not SEE the needs of China.

The claim of the Bishop of Rome that they have inherited the authority to evangelize the world from St. Peter has long been disinherited since the time of Lucrezia Borgia (1480 - 1519), a whore, who became Pope Alexander VI.

Since: Mar 08

Beaverton, OR

#7 Dec 31, 2010
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>They brought it down on their own heads, and deserve to lose them. Contributing their useful parts is the least they can do to mitigate the harm they have done
how has FG harmed society in China?, here in the USA they do no harm whatsoever, even people who harm USA society we don't harvest their organs against their wishes---we lock them up, etc.
TRUTH

New York, NY

#8 Dec 31, 2010
China's Christians could not, in good faith, follow those who would rape and molest young children, while pretending to preach the word of God. More like the devil himself!
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#9 Dec 31, 2010
Leonard 68 wrote:
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how has FG harmed society in China?, here in the USA they do no harm whatsoever, even people who harm USA society we don't harvest their organs against their wishes---we lock them up, etc.
It's more rational here. The idea of protecting criminals is absurd. It's society that needs protecting from criminals. The vast majority live in peace and harmony. Those who chose to harm society will be removed from society, often by being re-cycled. If you don't want to lose your head, just be a normal person

“CCP Troll”

Since: Nov 08

Hebei, China

#11 Dec 31, 2010
Leonard 68 wrote:
poor China, even the harmless Falun Gong people are oppressed to the extreme and their internal organs harvested
Why does an "exercise programme" need the Epoch Times Newspaper?(I take it you have read at lease one copy.

Since: Mar 08

Beaverton, OR

#12 Dec 31, 2010
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>It's more rational here. The idea of protecting criminals is absurd. It's society that needs protecting from criminals. The vast majority live in peace and harmony. Those who chose to harm society will be removed from society, often by being re-cycled. If you don't want to lose your head, just be a normal person
how does FG harm Chinese society? what does FG do in China that is viewed as criminal?

Since: Mar 08

Beaverton, OR

#13 Dec 31, 2010
uncle fargo wrote:
<quoted text>Why does an "exercise programme" need the Epoch Times Newspaper?(I take it you have read at lease one copy.
word salad as usual from one who has an organic brain disorder but no insight into his grave and deteriorating condition...and who thinks he is a genius no less hah hah
old china

Chengdu, China

#14 Dec 31, 2010
Andrez Lopez wrote:
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Thanks for posting your view from Chengdu, China. Forgive and forget that idiot from Canada who has come up with the term of 'Illegal Christians'.
To avoid this kind of stupid ideas, the Chinese Official Catholic Church, which they call themselves, should separate themselves from the Vatican, and call themselve the Chinese Catholic Church. The Vatican has time and again not listened to our missioneries to recognise the Chinese government when even the United States has recognized the Chinese government. The Chinese people are thirsty for the TRUTH. If the Vatican will not help, the Chinese Catholic Church should come up with her own ideas of how to cover their needs.
They should elect their own Pope, who should not listen to the dictates of the Vatican but instead listen to what the Holy Spirit tells him.
He should constantly be praying for the Holy Spirit to give him guidance of how to lead the Chinese Catholic Church and later on to lead the Universal Catholic Church to bring about peace in the world.
The Vatican has failed to bring peace to the world. The Holy See in Rome do not SEE the needs of China.
The claim of the Bishop of Rome that they have inherited the authority to evangelize the world from St. Peter has long been disinherited since the time of Lucrezia Borgia (1480 - 1519), a whore, who became Pope Alexander VI.
What I posted was FACT, not OPINION! There are those in China who choose to deliberately break the law and operate "illegal" churches. Those who choose to practice their religion in these illegal churches are not in themselves "illegal" Christians as Christianity is not illegal in China any more than Catholocism is illegal. The FLG pactitioners are illegal but then they are not viewed as a religion and seemingly don't act like one either.

However, if you want an opinion it is that if you are looking for 'God' then you will find him (her) within yourself. If, however, you are looking for 'god' then there are plenty of religious organisations and sects out there ready to fulfil your need, exploit you and tell you what to think.
LI HONGZHI

New York, NY

#15 Dec 31, 2010
How are those tai chi exercises coming along?
old china

Chengdu, China

#16 Dec 31, 2010
Leonard 68 wrote:
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how does FG harm Chinese society? what does FG do in China that is viewed as criminal?
Why don't you tell us? Come to that, what good do FLG do anywhere?

“CCP Troll”

Since: Nov 08

Hebei, China

#17 Dec 31, 2010
Leonard 68 wrote:
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word salad as usual from one who has an organic brain disorder but no insight into his grave and deteriorating condition...and who thinks he is a genius no less hah hah
Another non answer from the master of not answering. Whats thee problem. Have you worked it out that you don't know. That's a start, now you need to admit it!
Andrez Lopez

United States

#18 Dec 31, 2010
FLG, Tai Chi, Dalai Lama's Buddhism are all at most considered as a philosoph.

FLG and DL's Buddhism are tainted with subversive ideas.

To counter the attack from the FLG and DL's Buddhism sector, the ATHEIST government in China, like building a Christian church in the hometown of Confusius, should invite Catholic priests from Taiwan, South Korea and Vietnam to spread the word of Jesus in China. An Asia clergy can do a better job than a westerner.

The ATHEIST government in China should also build Christian churches in Tibet where for centuries the lama monks has closed the doors of Tibet to the Franciscan monks.

The ATHEIST government in China should return the properties of our missioneries who bought their properties in China with the money our ancestors who donated for the good cause of evangelizing China. For the Chinese government to have confiscated those properties during their Cultural Revolution is in fact a theft in broad day light. This, I hope, the Chinese government should correct and return the properties of our missioneries to the rightful owners whose only intention was to spread the message of Jesus. Invite all the religious orders of the Maryknoll, the Jesuits, the Franciscans, the Dominicans, etc. back to China to continue doing their good work of spread the message of Jesus. There is a lot of work to do for the Chinese Catholic church to rise up and guide the world to peace.
american

West Linn, OR

#19 Dec 31, 2010
its a way of protecting citizens against cults that fleece ppl, kind of like how scientology is illegal in france. btw, if you do not believe that cults are dangerous then you haven't got a brain to recall the subway attacks in japan by aum shinrikyo
old china

Chengdu, China

#20 Dec 31, 2010
Andrez Lopez wrote:
FLG, Tai Chi, Dalai Lama's Buddhism are all at most considered as a philosoph.
FLG and DL's Buddhism are tainted with subversive ideas.
To counter the attack from the FLG and DL's Buddhism sector, the ATHEIST government in China, like building a Christian church in the hometown of Confusius, should invite Catholic priests from Taiwan, South Korea and Vietnam to spread the word of Jesus in China. An Asia clergy can do a better job than a westerner.
The ATHEIST government in China should also build Christian churches in Tibet where for centuries the lama monks has closed the doors of Tibet to the Franciscan monks.
The ATHEIST government in China should return the properties of our missioneries who bought their properties in China with the money our ancestors who donated for the good cause of evangelizing China. For the Chinese government to have confiscated those properties during their Cultural Revolution is in fact a theft in broad day light. This, I hope, the Chinese government should correct and return the properties of our missioneries to the rightful owners whose only intention was to spread the message of Jesus. Invite all the religious orders of the Maryknoll, the Jesuits, the Franciscans, the Dominicans, etc. back to China to continue doing their good work of spread the message of Jesus. There is a lot of work to do for the Chinese Catholic church to rise up and guide the world to peace.
The last thing that China needs is more religions preying on the populace. She certainly doesn't need more Christians preaching to the simply minded than she already has. You describe the Chinese government as ATHEIST as if it was a bad thing. Religion should be a personal choice, not prescribed. In Tibet it was prescribed and it leads to parasitism and a backwards society. As for the Catholic church being held us as a solution for world peace - frankly laughable and demonstrates a lack of understanding with how organised religion is spread and the wars that result.

Since: Mar 08

Beaverton, OR

#21 Dec 31, 2010
old china wrote:
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Why don't you tell us? Come to that, what good do FLG do anywhere?
well you post from China right? what are they (FG) doing there that causes so many problems, are they rioting every night and burning down houses, attacking families out on a walk, etc. what is it that they do that is so horrendously illegal and terrible there? CCP demonizes them so much that it makes me think if I landed at a Chinese airport I would immediatley be attacked FG people, torn limb from limb by them and cannibalized by them,

so, what are they doing there that is so bad?

they manifest as completely benign here in USA with no issues or concerns whatsoever....they are as dangerous here as a newborn kitten

Since: Mar 08

Beaverton, OR

#22 Dec 31, 2010
Andrez Lopez wrote:
FLG, Tai Chi, Dalai Lama's Buddhism are all at most considered as a philosoph.
FLG and DL's Buddhism are tainted with subversive ideas.
To counter the attack from the FLG and DL's Buddhism sector, the ATHEIST government in China, like building a Christian church in the hometown of Confusius, should invite Catholic priests from Taiwan, South Korea and Vietnam to spread the word of Jesus in China. An Asia clergy can do a better job than a westerner.
The ATHEIST government in China should also build Christian churches in Tibet where for centuries the lama monks has closed the doors of Tibet to the Franciscan monks.
The ATHEIST government in China should return the properties of our missioneries who bought their properties in China with the money our ancestors who donated for the good cause of evangelizing China. For the Chinese government to have confiscated those properties during their Cultural Revolution is in fact a theft in broad day light. This, I hope, the Chinese government should correct and return the properties of our missioneries to the rightful owners whose only intention was to spread the message of Jesus. Invite all the religious orders of the Maryknoll, the Jesuits, the Franciscans, the Dominicans, etc. back to China to continue doing their good work of spread the message of Jesus. There is a lot of work to do for the Chinese Catholic church to rise up and guide the world to peace.
thanks! your response here offers some insight as to why CCP views FG as so dangerous, I completely disagree with CCP but you help me to better understand the issue CCP vs FG

Christians and Catholics in China should be free to worship

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