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Danger Zone

Marietta, GA

#12373 May 20, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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Regarding the armored vehicles, this type of vehicle is already in service within many policew departments. I would venture that they could've used something like one during the North Hollywood shootout a few years back. And you never know when the next Nakatomi Plaza might be taken over.
Did you happen to notice that the article clearly stated that the total purchase amount was for the next 4-5 years out, which would indicate that the total is not being purchased now, hence how can they be "stockpiling". For someone who is quick to question the comprehension abilities of others, you do seem to jump to conclusions quite a bit yourself.
Another point is that the amount of ammo used in a war, in this case the amount used in Iraq, has no bearing on the amount of ammo required for training personel in these various federal agencies.
Recycled fears, recycled lies.
The purchase of 1.2 billion bullets is fuel for thought, as you have proven by your last 3 posts. You say it's recycled lies, yet keep bringing it up? Automatic spending cuts must not include stockpiling weapons for the DHS. Obama promised transparency in government, yet no explanation, not even a mention, about the purchase of 1.2 BILLION rounds of bullets. The best thought I read about this Homeland weapon build-up is... "Obama claims to be all about transparency & peace, all this coming from a president who couldn't take 15 minutes out of his morning to have a biscuit with the Dalai Lama". Yet, chose to meet with Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, & Putin, during his first 6 months of presidency.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#12375 May 20, 2013
Laughing at U wrote:
Where is Bill in D'Ville?
He must have gotten lost walking the dog or taking out the trash. At least he's doing something important (maybe figuring taxes in his head).
Why do you care?

Since: Nov 12

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#12377 May 20, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Regarding the armored vehicles, this type of vehicle is already in service within many policew departments. I would venture that they could've used something like one during the North Hollywood shootout a few years back. And you never know when the next Nakatomi Plaza might be taken over.
Did you happen to notice that the article clearly stated that the total purchase amount was for the next 4-5 years out, which would indicate that the total is not being purchased now, hence how can they be "stockpiling". For someone who is quick to question the comprehension abilities of others, you do seem to jump to conclusions quite a bit yourself.
Another point is that the amount of ammo used in a war, in this case the amount used in Iraq, has no bearing on the amount of ammo required for training personel in these various federal agencies.
Recycled fears, recycled lies.
"purchase amount for the next 4-5 years" - and the supply has been compared to enough to fight the Iraq war for 24 years [ 4-5 years versus 24 - see a problem]. But you yourself stated that "has no bearing" on the comparison - agreed. So instead we go to DHS own statements about typical usage of 15 million rounds/year. And they have bought 1.6 billion - that equates to 106 year supply - I would call that stockpiling - how's that comprehension going?

And most if not all, depending on the article, of that ammo is hollow point - which is illegal to use in wartime and is NOT used for training purposes, it's too expensive. So tell me -just when and where is the DHS going to use ammunition that our military is not allowed to use because it is "so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war."

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#12378 May 20, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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Lack of security - due to the Republicans cutting funding by 331 Million dollars for embassy security.

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You really undermine any credibility you might have when you keep repeating something that has been shown repeatedly to be a lie:

State Department Official Charlene Lamb Testified Before The House Oversight Committee That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi.

REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA):It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and Id like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

STATE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS CHARLENE LAMB:No, sir.(U.S. House Of Representatives, Oversight And Government Reform Committee, Hearing, 10/10/12)

Since: Nov 12

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#12379 May 20, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Education:
You create a country where:
- college education is harder and harder to afford;
- you cut back on student loans and grants;
First, student loans and grants have only grown. The dirty little secret is the ease of obtaining student loans is a direct cause of the growth in college tuition.
Those whose parents could not afford to help them with college, in the past, would delay college and work for a year or two and save money, or would attend a local college and live at home, or go to college part time while working. Is it harder on the student, yes, but I know MANY who went that route.
However, the student loan program made it easy to go directly to college whether you could initially afford it or not. Colleges saw that increasing tuition didn't have as big an impact on enrollment any more because the students are not savvy enough to realize the debt hole they are digging. This negatively impacted all students as tuition rates have grown approximately 130% over the last 20 years.

Also impacting student debt are students who in the past would have settled for the public university in their state, may decide to go ahead and go to that out of state school or even that private university which is so much more expensive - after all, I'll just take out a loan and pay it back later. Consequently, the student loan bubble is one more economic threat on the horizon. And we have legislators who are saying "oh, those poor little students just didn't know what they were doing when they signed on the dotted line. It isn't FAIR to expect them to pay back their loans - let's forgive the debt - more irresponsibility being rewarded because , like Boxer in Animal Farm , the taxpayer can
always "work harder."
David Lane

Denver, CO

#12380 May 20, 2013
They are all lying crooks, so it doesn't really matter who wins. Paul Broun is dumbest one of them all.
David Lane

Denver, CO

#12381 May 20, 2013
Anyone but Paul Broun, but they are all bought by lobbyist anyway so they don't care about you and your problems.
BS Is Called

Dallas, TX

#12382 May 20, 2013
On Thursday, nearly mirroring a ruling made in January by the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit ruled 2-1 that the President cannot unilaterally declare the Senate in recess in order to appoint his chosen appointees.
ChicnButt

Douglasville, GA

#12383 May 20, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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You really undermine any credibility you might have when you keep repeating something that has been shown repeatedly to be a lie:
State Department Official Charlene Lamb Testified Before The House Oversight Committee That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi.
Budget cuts of 331 Million did occur. It would have affected the Benghazi budget by about $57,000 per week.
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA):It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and Id like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?
STATE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS CHARLENE LAMB:No, sir.(U.S. House Of Representatives, Oversight And Government Reform Committee, Hearing, 10/10/12)
I think you meant to say:*****FORMER****** STATE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS CHARLENE LAMB

The only thing that is substantive that has come out of the Benghazi Politicized Witch-Hunts is that she was implicated as absolutely the most inept and incompetent person involved and is likely directly responsible for their deaths.

You're hinging your entire argument on her? LOL!

http://selfguide.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#12384 May 20, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"purchase amount for the next 4-5 years" - and the supply has been compared to enough to fight the Iraq war for 24 years [ 4-5 years versus 24 - see a problem]. But you yourself stated that "has no bearing" on the comparison - agreed. So instead we go to DHS own statements about typical usage of 15 million rounds/year. And they have bought 1.6 billion - that equates to 106 year supply - I would call that stockpiling - how's that comprehension going?

And most if not all, depending on the article, of that ammo is hollow point - which is illegal to use in wartime and is NOT used for training purposes, it's too expensive. So tell me -just when and where is the DHS going to use ammunition that our military is not allowed to use because it is "so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war."
Here is the text that was pulled from the referenced article and the link that was supplied in my original post which was in reply to a posting of yours so many pages ago. As you can see DHS is not the only agency making the purchase.

It doesn't matter what type of ammo is illegal in a war zone, US law enforcement has been using hollow points since the mid-1990's.

And yes, hollow points are used in training if your goal is to make the training as realistic as possible.

Why is the Department of Homeland Security buying so many bullets?
Published February 14, 2013
Associated Press
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/14/wh...

...Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:
--450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition
--40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds
--176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract
--25,000 blank rounds
ChicnButt

Douglasville, GA

#12385 May 20, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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Why do we want to "disassemble public education" -
Because Charles and David Koch told you to think that.

I know - you'll disagree, and you'll believe what you say when you disagree. You aren't aware of them telling you that!

In the 1980 Presidential Election David Koch ran as vice-president. He spent over 2,000,000 in his own funds for less than 1% of the vote.

Please see this actual Policy Platform chart from that election:
http://www.billionairesteaparty.com/wp-conten...

Notice among other things he wanted to abolish public schools.

Since that extremely ineffective attempt to gain power he's taken a different tactic: Building the largest propaganda machine ever known on the history of the planet.

If you follow the development of this, he's directly responsible for the establishment of the Tea Party - while most Tea Party supporters are completely unaware of him.

While there are quite a few steps in-between that we haven't brought up, the simple answer is this:

You want to abolish Public Education because David Koch told you to think that.

True.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#12386 May 20, 2013
Interesting news article about how everybody likes Obama. They must not have interviewed Synergy.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/...

Since: Nov 12

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#12387 May 20, 2013
ChicnButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Because Charles and David Koch told you to think that.
I know - you'll disagree, and you'll believe what you say when you disagree. You aren't aware of them telling you that!
In the 1980 Presidential Election David Koch ran as vice-president. He spent over 2,000,000 in his own funds for less than 1% of the vote.
Please see this actual Policy Platform chart from that election:
http://www.billionairesteaparty.com/wp-conten...
Notice among other things he wanted to abolish public schools.
Since that extremely ineffective attempt to gain power he's taken a different tactic: Building the largest propaganda machine ever known on the history of the planet.
If you follow the development of this, he's directly responsible for the establishment of the Tea Party - while most Tea Party supporters are completely unaware of him.
While there are quite a few steps in-between that we haven't brought up, the simple answer is this:
You want to abolish Public Education because David Koch told you to think that.

True.
False and stupid to boot. You can't refute my argument, so you will try to make this about the Koch brothers. You really are getting desperate.

So admit defeat or refute my points against the current incarnation of public education and teachers unions. Actually, never mind - you admitted defeat when you tried to change the subject.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#12388 May 20, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
Interesting news article about how everybody likes Obama. They must not have interviewed Synergy.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/...
Here is my opinion of this article:
1. You said "everybody" which is typical of YOUR descriptions of whatever. I've called you out on that several times. Obviously, "everybody" doesn't agree with YOUR assessment.
2. I would like to know the % of liberals as opposed to the % of conservatives and independents that were polled. That is why polls are not reliable.
3. There is NO possibility that this poll is nonpartisan. NOT POSSIBLE. Obama has done a MISERABLE job of handling the trifecta. Duh....I don't know. Duh. That is enough to PROVE that the poll that Communist News Network conducted was VERY partisan.
I would EXPECT you to put ALL of your eggs in THAT basket.

Since: Nov 12

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#12391 May 20, 2013
ChicnButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Budget cuts of 331 Million did occur. It would have affected the Benghazi budget by about $57,000 per week.
<quoted text>
I think you meant to say:*****FORMER****** STATE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS CHARLENE LAMB
The only thing that is substantive that has come out of the Benghazi Politicized Witch-Hunts is that she was implicated as absolutely the most inept and incompetent person involved and is likely directly responsible for their deaths.
You're hinging your entire argument on her? LOL!
http://selfguide.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/...
And nothing you say refutes her statement that budget cuts had nothing to do with the inadequate security at Benghazi.(AND it still doesn't explain lying about the talking points, lying about the video or who told the military to stand down when they were ready to go help fellow Americans.)

But let's pretend it did: couldn't Clinton have diverted that money from the :
$16 million the State Dept was going to spend on 2,500 kindle readers - it has since been revoked
$79,000 spent on copies of Obama's books
$108,000 for a Chevy volt for the US Embassy in Vienna
$4 million a year for artwork in various embassies.
Just to name a few little items the State Dept DID have money for.
Useful

Dahlonega, GA

#12392 May 20, 2013
ChicnButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Budget cuts of 331 Million did occur. It would have affected the Benghazi budget by about $57,000 per week.
<quoted text>
I think you meant to say:*****FORMER****** STATE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS CHARLENE LAMB
The only thing that is substantive that has come out of the Benghazi Politicized Witch-Hunts is that she was implicated as absolutely the most inept and incompetent person involved and is likely directly responsible for their deaths.
You're hinging your entire argument on her? LOL!
http://selfguide.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/...
Ah yes, the bizarre rantings of a useless fool.
Thanks for keeping the left wing idiocy front and center.
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#12393 May 20, 2013
Right Wingers celebrate a land where Right Wing Wacko principles are honored and implemented.

No damn over-reaching guv'ment regulations there, by God.
No labor laws.
No unions.
No laws saying you gotta pay a certain wage.
No laws saying who you can hire.

This country is Right Wing Wacko Heaven.

By DEBORAH SONTAG
Last Updated: 4:22 PM ET

“Restavek: Child Slavery in Haiti."

International advocates for children estimate that there are 250,000 restaveks in Haiti — children working as unpaid domestic servants after their parents, who cannot afford to raise them, give them away.

The literal translation of “restavek” is relatively benign: these children, mostly girls, are “live-ins” or “stay-withs.’’ But the social translation is brutal. To be a restavek is to be the ultimate have-not in a society of have-nots; the word itself is a slur.

In 1990, I wrote a long story on the restaveks for The Miami Herald’s Sunday magazine. This was before any child advocacy organization had taken up their plight, before groups like the Restavek Freedom Foundation were working to defend, protect and educate them. The phenomenon was everywhere — scruffy, scrawny children rising before dawn to empty chamber pots, bedding down at night on piles of rags, enduring beatings and sexual assault — but it was rarely discussed.

While much has been written about restaveks in the decades since, Mr. Sokhin said he found little “visual evidence” of the phenomenon. In many photographs, restaveks were indistinguishable from other poor children — they were dressed raggedly, looked malnourished and lugged water in buckets bigger than themselves.

Working with one of the many Haitian fixers who are vital to foreign journalists seeking to go beneath the surface of that society, Mr. Sokhin found Judeline’s “family,’’ which was willing to give him unlimited access for several days last fall and during his second trip to Haiti in March.

The father is an English teacher, and, according to Mr. Sokhin, he believes he is giving Judeline an opportunity in life after her own family abandoned her — not only by providing room and board but by paying for education. Relatively speaking, Mr. Sokhin said, the man sees himself as an enlightened “master’’ who would never strike or abuse the young girl who performs his family’s chores.

That Judeline slept on the hard floor of an unfurnished room was portrayed as her personal choice:“They say she doesn’t like to sleep on a bed,’’ Mr. Sokhin said. The family made the same case for her use of the yard as her bathroom.

Mr. Sokhin said he tried not to include in his series any pictures that Judeline herself might find degrading.“I have got much worse pictures,” he said,“but I didn’t want to show her suffering.”

Sometimes he was forced to put down his camera so he would not be participating in mistreatment, he said. In one photograph (Slide 20), a man who refused to have his identity revealed nonetheless slung his arm around the shirtless shoulders of his restavek boy while Mr. Sokhin was shooting. His head is cut off, a lit cigarette dangles from his hand, and the effect is creepy.

Even creepier, Mr. Sokhin said, was what he declined to photograph next: the man put the cigarette in the little boy’s mouth, laughing.

Since: Nov 12

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#12394 May 20, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the text that was pulled from the referenced article and the link that was supplied in my original post which was in reply to a posting of yours so many pages ago. As you can see DHS is not the only agency making the purchase.
It doesn't matter what type of ammo is illegal in a war zone, US law enforcement has been using hollow points since the mid-1990's.
And yes, hollow points are used in training if your goal is to make the training as realistic as possible.
Why is the Department of Homeland Security buying so many bullets?
Published February 14, 2013
Associated Press
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/14/wh...
...Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.
....edited for space
I'm tired of this, so here is the last I'll bring to this argument.

"Despite claims by DHS that the ammunition is being bought in bulk to save money, experts say hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jacket rounds."

"Congress is currently questioning DHS over the purchase, with Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp pointing out that the government should threaten to curb DHS funding unless it explains why the bullets were purchased, Infowars.com reported.

This comes amid sequester cuts signed by President Obama three weeks ago, with $85 billion to be slashed from this years budget and funding for a number of government departments slashed immediately; almost half of those cuts will be imposed on the Pentagon."

And finally, excerpts from an article by Jonathan Turley - no conservative, he.

"For months, conservatives and conspiracy theorists have been flogging a story of a huge arms buildup within the Department of Homeland Security. I was a bit taken aback by the purchase of roughly 2 billion rounds by the DHS as well as a report of the purchase of 2700 light-armored vehicles. However, it seemed like the coverage was over-wrought and that such bulk purchases could be viewed as efficient contracting to get the lowest possible price. Yet, now the DHS has reportedly ordered 360,000 addition rounds of hollow tip bullets ....

I would like to understand why DHS is on such an overall buying spree of bullets and weapons. I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories of a takeover or any of that nonsense. However, as a civil libertarian, I am concerned with the expansion of a security state in the United States with what is becoming a fully functional internal police army. This goes beyond the hollow tip bullets, which may be better for training (though the number is breathtaking). It reminds one of other countries where internal police are paramilitary organizations. It is part of the new normal. We are now getting accustomed to seeing automatic weapons and military-style forces on our streets. We have discussed recurring stories of overkill where local police seem eager to attack homes with armored vehicles purchased as part of the anti-terrorism budget. What is surprising is that there is little discussion about the implication of this militarization of our society.

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/03/26/dumb-and...
Informed Opinion

North Fort Myers, FL

#12396 May 20, 2013
bull wrote:
<quoted text>A waste of time, these things only matter to people with an agenda of politics and hate. I prefer to work on things that matter, jobs and economic growth. Things that we all had before your beloved Bush ruined the country, time to go back to work.

Just curious, do you people sit on the computer all day and night???? Some of you seem smart, why don’t you do something productive with your time, 20 minutes a day is all the time I have to waste.
Great post.

Many good points.

Amazingly, you'll notice those who pretend to be upset the most at government programs are the ones online during the day because they stay at home cashing their government checks.

It makes it even more amusing.

Since: Nov 12

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#12397 May 20, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
Right Wingers celebrate a land where Right Wing Wacko principles are honored and implemented.
No damn over-reaching guv'ment regulations there, by God.
No labor laws.
No unions.
No laws saying you gotta pay a certain wage.
No laws saying who you can hire.
This country is Right Wing Wacko Heaven.
By DEBORAH SONTAG
Last Updated: 4:22 PM ET
“Restavek: Child Slavery in Haiti."
The story is tragic and appalling. It is also completely irrelevant to our discussion of the state of American politics. Your feeble attempt to somehow equate conservatives disdain for an over reaching and intrusive government with this horrid situation is both pathetic and illustrative of the weakness of your argument.

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