Plans for artists' center at former b...

Plans for artists' center at former bread factory crumble | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 95 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jul 22, 2011, titled Plans for artists' center at former bread factory crumble | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

The former Wonder Bread factory will no longer be the future home of Wonderland - an ambitious mixed-use project intended to house studio space for Columbus-area artists, musicians, actors and entrepreneurs - but the dream might find new life elsewhere.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Columbus Dispatch.

Southsider

Pickerington, OH

#21 Jul 22, 2011
Where did the 70k+ go? Other arts organizations could have used that money!
hilt com

Nashport, OH

#22 Jul 22, 2011
that across the street from my wife school and thy start monday
Amber

Columbus, OH

#23 Jul 22, 2011
duuuude what do people have against artists?
I personally think art is a very important part of Columbus, I think it brings us together and brings others here. What would the city be like if we were only businesses such as Nationwide? Sure, we'd have money, but we need good, unique, homegrown culture.
As cliche as it sounds, the art world is not a good moneymaker for the enjoyment people get out of it, so it think it is very important for them to receive financial aid.
Now what people have said about artists not always being financially wise.... I'll give ya that.
But I just think people need to support this project, it would be a great addition to the growing culture of Columbus.
Thank you.
Thinker

Columbus, OH

#24 Jul 22, 2011
hilt com wrote:
that across the street from my wife school and thy start monday
Does your wife teach spelling or grammar?
NCBuck

Charlotte, NC

#26 Jul 22, 2011
Man I miss those days before 670 was completed and my parents would drive around that section of 670 and 4th and I'd get that wonderful smell from the bakery. It was the only thing that would overtake all the second hand smoke I was inhaling in the back seat! LOL
NCBuck

Charlotte, NC

#27 Jul 22, 2011
Bob wrote:
He said Brouillette and his team faced multiple roadblocks from the Internal Revenue Service that repeatedly prevented particular leasing terms (Wonderland Columbus has applied for 501c3 nonprofit status).
These libs want others to pay taxes yet try to file as a non profit and take grant money. It's time for artists that cannot market their product to get a job or at least quit waiting on handouts.
Spot on Bob, isn't that the way things always are?
Short North

Columbus, OH

#28 Jul 22, 2011
Any suggestion that the Wonderland team should have accepted a million dollar increase at the 11th hour by Lykens, is ludicrous. Nobody is particularly happy about the need for the project to relocate, but had Wonderland accepted the adjusted terms, the public and the donor community would be roasting them for the same reason. There is only one reason this project isn't moving forward at the wonderbread factory, and its due to a greedy developer. Most of the publicity hungry names associated with the early days of this endeavor, including Lykens and the owner of the failed Sandbox project, were booted from Wonderland over a year ago. I've met several of the folks working on Wonderland over this past year, and have been impressed by their unwavering commitment, heartfelt passion for the creative community, and solid business savvy. I look forward to hearing more about the plans to relocate soon, and better understand the roadmap for making this vision into a tangible reality for folks here in Columbus.
Alex

Columbus, OH

#29 Jul 22, 2011
This group is nothing but a tax scam and con looking for a home. They have stated that they intend to distribute revenue from this venture to other artists to help them start businesses and such, which is not exactly a permitted use of excess revenue for a non-profit. That's great if they want to open a business to rent space for artists, make a profit, and then distribute money to their buddies. But doing so with public grants and donations, plus avoiding their tax responsibilities with non-profit status is a scam.

These are con artists at best.
Short North

Columbus, OH

#30 Jul 22, 2011
common SENSE wrote:
$70,000 for what?
To pay transplants from other states to come here and "fix" the art situation in Columbus?
What a waste. Do great art people will come...
It actually takes more than great art to make people buy.... just ask all the starving artists that have no where to show their work because galleries in columbus only want established out of state talent. And, yes, the Columbus art scene needs help. Not becuase we don't have talent here, but because it lacks the infrastructure for emerging creatives to monatize their craft. This is why projects like Wonderland make sense. And since when did Columbus natives have ownership rights to solving problems that effect us all? Its narrow thinking like that that pushes all of our home grown talent to other cities like Brooklyn, Austin, SF and Seattle. Evolve your thinking a little. Inspiration can come from anywhere, what mattters is that we try to take action and do something about it.
Hah

Charlotte, NC

#31 Jul 22, 2011
Short North wrote:
<quoted text>
It actually takes more than great art to make people buy.... just ask all the starving artists that have no where to show their work because galleries in columbus only want established out of state talent. And, yes, the Columbus art scene needs help. Not becuase we don't have talent here, but because it lacks the infrastructure for emerging creatives to monatize their craft. This is why projects like Wonderland make sense. And since when did Columbus natives have ownership rights to solving problems that effect us all? Its narrow thinking like that that pushes all of our home grown talent to other cities like Brooklyn, Austin, SF and Seattle. Evolve your thinking a little. Inspiration can come from anywhere, what mattters is that we try to take action and do something about it.
Columbus doesn't have the infrastructure because not enough folks are interested in it! If people were interested, the infrastructure would pay for itself! That's great that you like art, I like different forms of art myself. Bottom line, it can't sustain itself and it's not right to shove it down people's throats! Like religion, to each his own, leave me alone!
Alex

Columbus, OH

#32 Jul 22, 2011
Short North wrote:
Any suggestion that the Wonderland team should have accepted a million dollar increase at the 11th hour by Lykens, is ludicrous. Nobody is particularly happy about the need for the project to relocate, but had Wonderland accepted the adjusted terms, the public and the donor community would be roasting them for the same reason. There is only one reason this project isn't moving forward at the wonderbread factory, and its due to a greedy developer. Most of the publicity hungry names associated with the early days of this endeavor, including Lykens and the owner of the failed Sandbox project, were booted from Wonderland over a year ago. I've met several of the folks working on Wonderland over this past year, and have been impressed by their unwavering commitment, heartfelt passion for the creative community, and solid business savvy. I look forward to hearing more about the plans to relocate soon, and better understand the roadmap for making this vision into a tangible reality for folks here in Columbus.
LOL!!! Solid business savvy? Apparently after nearly two years they can't make this happen even with handouts, a public "donor" community, and without a tax scam. There's some real business savvy right there.

Someone call a waaaambulance, their's a mean, evil, greedy developer that won't give a building to the passionate creative community, and he expects to make a return on his investment. Doesn't he know that we're the creative community and we deserve it!

Go throw some paint at a wall, urban cowboy.

VERUM

Columbus, OH

#33 Jul 22, 2011
I love art and music, but Columbus needs more industry, not art establishments.

The Wonder Bread facility is zoned for industry, wouldn't it make more sense to bring in a business into the building that would put local people to work. Artist are nice people, but they barely can put a roof over their heads, let alone provide many jobs for others.

If the Mayor really cared about Columbus and her citizens he would be trying non-stop to bring in manufacturing jobs to the city that would bring in millions of dollars of revenue. But he keeps on trying to "Beautify the City," and develop an artist base; which is the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. The pig, is still a pig.

Mayor, if you would focus on making Columbus business friendly, you could lower taxes and still have more revenue coming in to waste on your "pie in the sky" projects.

The loss of Wonderland would have happened eventually, it is better that it occurred now with only $70k being wasted instead of what would have occurred later on...
You forgot

Columbus, OH

#34 Jul 22, 2011
Gabe Gerken wrote:
Plans "crumble" ? Please enough with the bad puns.
All you're gonna do is get a 'rise' out of the readers.
No matter how you slice it, people are tired of your crusty journalism.
Your copy writers need to quit loafing or you're all gonna be toast.
This idea is baked.
Good point

Columbus, OH

#35 Jul 22, 2011
You forgot wrote:
<quoted text>
This idea is baked.
Maybe if they had more dough...
earplugs needed

Columbus, OH

#37 Jul 22, 2011
I do wonder at the idea that any and every abandoned historic building can/should become an "arts space" of some kind. That is always in the proposal mix for redevelopment. Not that I think this particular idea was bad...but how many such "spaces" are economically viable for a city? Since it does seem that none are self-supporting.
Think Harder

Columbus, OH

#38 Jul 22, 2011
Art is important, and is all around us. TV, radio, internet websites, even the ads in the paper are made by artists. The problem is that some "artists" don't want to, or can't be artistic in a way that pays well, so they want a handout. Being a true artist is hard work and requires talent. The self proclaimed "artists" that need handouts are lazy and talentless.
WHO CARES

Pickerington, OH

#39 Jul 22, 2011
I figured this would go sour. Such a stupid idea. Didn;t I tell you so.
Idiots with a stupid dream
Smokin Joe

Toledo, OH

#41 Jul 22, 2011
VERUM wrote:
I love art and music, but Columbus needs more industry, not art establishments.
The Wonder Bread facility is zoned for industry, wouldn't it make more sense to bring in a business into the building that would put local people to work. Artist are nice people, but they barely can put a roof over their heads, let alone provide many jobs for others.
If the Mayor really cared about Columbus and her citizens he would be trying non-stop to bring in manufacturing jobs to the city that would bring in millions of dollars of revenue. But he keeps on trying to "Beautify the City," and develop an artist base; which is the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. The pig, is still a pig.
Mayor, if you would focus on making Columbus business friendly, you could lower taxes and still have more revenue coming in to waste on your "pie in the sky" projects.
The loss of Wonderland would have happened eventually, it is better that it occurred now with only $70k being wasted instead of what would have occurred later on...
Lots of places around town are zoned for industrial use but Columbus is not an industrial city. Trust me, I dealt with recruiting for a long time and finding people who are truly blue collar in this town is next to impossible. People don't want to work second or third shift and the concept of showing up on time and working for a whole day is too much for most people.

The mayor is working hard to bring in industry, but Columbus has historically been a tough labor market. Wages in the area are considerably higher than they are in other parts of the state. Even if Coleman offers big tax abatements and other incentives, the long term cost of maintaining a workforce in Columbus is too high for most companies. That's part of the reason that Wonder Bread plant went down when Interstate brands reorganized. It was hard for Wonder to retain workers with Ross Labs and Kroger Bakery recruiting the same people.

Columbus is a service economy and it always has been.
Strif Ng

Columbus, OH

#42 Jul 22, 2011
The only way for this project to survive is for the Executive Director to be fired.

The have a board, a plan, investment, advisors, onandon. You mess up as bad as this you gottsa lose a job.

He stays on and blunder land is doomed. It will completely fold by 2012

“Lovin every minit of it”

Since: Feb 10

WORKER RIGHTS-THE AMERICAN WAY

#44 Jul 22, 2011
Heidelberger wrote:
If Lykens were a savvy investor, he'd have realized that trusting artist types with money or financial arrangements nearly always ends badly (for the investor).
Yeah, it did not work out too well for the Ohio Theater, The Palace, and the Lincoln Theater, did it?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Theater Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News BWW Preview: Catco Spreads the Spirit of Giving... Mon 1 and 1 and 1 is 3 1
News Review: Magicopolis, Santa Monica (Nov '08) Sun Mark Price 9
News 'Harry Potter and the Cursed Child' plans 2018 ... Dec 3 EL1SE ELEESE ELYSE 1
News Liberty Theatre staff scrambles to move rained-... Dec 3 Will Dockery 1
News Paula McConnell: A big Saturday in Vallejo Dec 2 ddjones 1
News Meddling match-making grandparents featured in ... (Apr '10) Dec 1 hostage-war-room 5
News Parade coordinator draws on theater know-how to... Dec 1 Funny Paper 6
More from around the web