Honolulu Symphony praises $1.175M donor

[Cutchase64]

alice wrote:

True..but the sad reality is that the Symphony here cannot play these works in a compelling fashion. You need to go to San Francisco to hear them.

Compelling by who's opinion?
By what musical background expertise do
profess?

I do disagree with your former opinion
ignorantly comparing the superiority
of Classical music with Hawaiian music.

This gave me a hint...you lacked any kind
of savey to intelligently discuss the arts.

Again, I ask.."lacking a compelling fashion"
in what manner of details?

[Waiter]

alice wrote:

True..but the sad reality is that the Symphony here cannot play these works in a compelling fashion. You need to go to San Francisco to hear them.

You've heard neither the Honolulu Symphony nor the SFO. What a joker.

[alice]

Classical music is far sup[erior to anything ever written in hawaii hon. One symphony of Bach alone is worth 1500 years of hawaiian music. That is just the fact. The world knows it.

As for our mediocre symphony, go support it if you wnat. The rest of us want the fine symphonies of SF, NYC, and Europe. The badly managed mess here is not worth my support. Ever.

[Cutchase64]

Hawaii has some public sculptural works I can't stand.
So what? Some I like.

Please don't kill the whole dang vehicle.

I support the arts -the "good" AND the "shitty (IMO)."

[Cutchase64]

alice wrote:

Classical music is far sup[erior to anything ever written in hawaii hon. One symphony of Bach alone is worth 1500 years of hawaiian music. That is just the fact. The world knows it.
As for our mediocre symphony, go support it if you wnat. The rest of us want the fine symphonies of SF, NYC, and Europe. The badly managed mess here is not worth my support. Ever.

..and , you didn't answer the question.

[alice]

what question? I answered it all. Let the symphony play without slaary if they love playing. But few go there in any case.

[Waiter]

alice wrote:

Classical music is far sup[erior to anything ever written in hawaii hon. One symphony of Bach alone is worth 1500 years of hawaiian music. That is just the fact. The world knows it.

I have a new term, FATA (fact according to alice). What symphony of Bach are you referring to? He wrote organ works, chorales, sacred works, chamber music, suites and concertos. You make me laugh.

[hmmmm]

That nice donor better be careful. She may be harassed about what she does with her money, just like Kamehameha Schools.
Some people always want more and more while giving nothing themselves.

[Cutchase64]

Below, from an essay that seems to express
the universality of all music vs. an ignorant
"imagined superiority of one form vs. the next."

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/...

C’mon Everybody: Will Music Bring Us Together?
By Barry Gewen

The American pop aesthetic is exactly the opposite. It is rooted first in the many traditions of American music, then in Western tonality, and finally in the universality of the pentatonic scale. It reaches out to other cultures not from above, as a superior force majeure intent on wiping out local traditions, but in a spirit of commonality and shared human experience. It steps onto the world’s cultural stage bringing with it Bach cantatas, Mozart operas, Beethoven string quartets, as well as the songs of Gershwin, Dylan, and the Beatles, saying,“Look at what these guys do. Isn’t this stuff terrific?” Then it falls silent and listens. Because other cultures have created music that they think is terrific too, and the West is largely ignorant and unappreciative of it. Rather than a clash of civilizations, the pop aesthetic introduces the impulse to mix and blend, much as it did in creating America’s musical synthesis in the fifties and sixties. This blending will take time, though, because it occurs slowly, not out of some preconceived expectation about the musical future but, as with the rock explosion, because the music will sound right, feel good. You can’t hurry love, either through some overarching plan or by force. Nor, it should be added, can force prevent the blending from happening. That was tried in many places during the twentieth century, and the only lasting result was massive destruction and wholesale slaughter. It’s natural for people who learn about others different from themselves to want to mingle with them (as natural as it is to be suspicious of them). Sex and music are both excellent integrators.

Not long ago, I was talking to a friend who had recently given birth. We were discussing breast-feeding. She said that when she nurses her child, she is aware that she is engaged in an activity that goes back to the very beginnings of our species, and that she feels she is part of the great stream of life. Music goes back too, not to humanity’s biological origins, but almost—to the origins of human culture. History sent humanity spinning off in different directions. Today, we stand poised for a momentous reunion. That is why Haydn wasn’t exactly wrong when he said “my language is understood in the whole world.” He was ahead of his time. Music is not yet a single language, but now we can see a time when it might be. Making music or listening to it or dancing to it brings everyone together with everyone else, like black and white teenagers in the apartheid South in 1950s America—as long as people are permitted to mix. For, as Haydn did know, music is both universal and elemental. It overcomes differences. Like breast-feeding, it plunges us into the great stream of life.

[alice]

Waiter..yer mean. I also think you lack taste and discernment. Any work of Bach alone would be worth more than 1500 of Hawaiian music to the world. Hawaiians did a good job developing music as far as it could go in a very limited geography. Clearly nothing they produced of any kind rivals the best of Asia or Europe. Let us all smile and bow in public pretending that local music is impressive. But, we all know the truth.

I am not demeaning local music. It is what it is. They did the best they could given limited and limiting circumstances. I applaud that but have no illusions about where greatness lies in literature, music, poetry, cosmography, philaosiophy, science, historiography, etc.

[Waiter]

alice wrote:

Waiter..yer mean. I also think you lack taste and discernment. Any work of Bach alone would be worth more than 1500 of Hawaiian music to the world. Hawaiians did a good job developing music as far as it could go in a very limited geography. Clearly nothing they produced of any kind rivals the best of Asia or Europe. Let us all smile and bow in public pretending that local music is impressive. But, we all know the truth.
I am not demeaning local music. It is what it is. They did the best they could given limited and limiting circumstances. I applaud that but have no illusions about where greatness lies in literature, music, poetry, cosmography, philaosiophy, science, historiography, etc.

FATA. You know nothing about music.

[alice]

I know it all...and i bravely say it all. I think you are just asking me for a date and trying to be mock provacative knowing how much i delight in irony.

[Cutchase64]

Whew-switching to energy saving mode.

[OMGWTF]

BMillies wrote:

I agree with the last post. As long as tax payers don't get nailed fine.

accoridng to your logic (i don't enjoy symphony so don't spend my tax $), if you don't have any children, your tax money should not be spent on education. sorry things don't work that way; there are many things we pay for whether we use it or like it. why should people living on windward oahu pay for rail, then?

[Clyde]

alice wrote:

...Any work of Bach alone would be worth more than 1500 of Hawaiian music to the world. Hawaiians did a good job developing music as far as it could go in a very limited geography. Clearly nothing they produced of any kind rivals the best of Asia or Europe...

But if Bach, European or Asian music dies out here, it still exists somewhere else.

If Hawaiian music dies out here, isn't it gone forever?

[Cutchase64]

From:http://www.honolulusympho nymusicians.org/faq.html

What does the Honolulu Symphony do for Hawai'i?

When the Symphony puts on a concert, there is an economic 'sound-wave' felt by businesses through out the city. The flower shops, taxi drivers, baby sitters and restaurants all benefit, as do printers and designers, parking garage companies, dry cleaners, and so on. All of these businesses generate their own economic sound-waves in turn, reaching Realtors, shipping and construction companies, the tourism industry, and so forth. The end result is a 'symphony' of economic activity that makes Hawai'i economically stronger.

This sound-wave effect means that the Honolulu Symphony, with a budget of about $6 million, generates employment equivalent to 247 full-time jobs, paying a total of $6.15 million in wages. This results in $557,000 in state and local tax revenue.* Nationally, America's orchestras fuel the U.S. economy with $1.1 billion annually.** So, even before you attend a concert, the Symphony has probably already benefited you.

The Honolulu Symphony and its musicians also play a major role in arts education in Hawai'i. Individually, the musicians provide private lessons and group classes to approximately 800 young musicians. As a group, the Symphony performs for thousands of school-age children each year in concert halls and in Oahu's classrooms. As one of its many functions, the Honolulu Symphony Associate, which is a volunteer organization, raises money to award scholarships to the brightest young musicians for lessons and opportunities to perform with the Symphony.

Several current members of the Honolulu Symphony grew up in Hawai'i, heard the Symphony at a young age, and were taught by Symphony musicians. Who would be the role models for our young aspiring musicians if there were no Honolulu Symphony musicians to see and hear live on stage? Whether or not students choose music as a profession, the skills and values associated with learning music are lifelong assets.

Most importantly, the Honolulu Symphony is our 'music library'; it plays great music for you the way it was meant to be heard– live. In the course of a typical season, the Symphony gives nearly 150 performances, playing over 300 works of music including classical, modern, pop, jazz, rock, swing, country and Hawaiian compositions. The Symphony features at least 60 local and international guest artists a year. It performs with ballet companies and choruses, and premieres music of local composers and arrangers. It plays in concert halls, bandstands, ballrooms, churches, parks, community centers and schools, and at the Waikiki Shell.

* Source: Arts in the Local Economy of Honolulu, Hawai'i, National Assembly of Local Arts Agencies (City and County of Honolulu, 1994)

** Source: American Symphony Orchestra League, based on 1997-98 orchestra revenues.

[Cutchase64]

Hawaiian, Classical, Blues, Jazz, Country Western,
Cajun, Indian, Folk...etc., etc. I love 'em all
at the right times, and right mood I'm in.

How great to have a world renown musician(s)
(from Asia, Europe or from right here) passing
through our town and have our local symphony
members at hand to accompany....

Hawaii, in center of the Pacific is

an international cultural crossroads for the arts.

Ain't no hick town, braddah.

[DestroyIgnorance]

alice wrote:

This is a sad waste of money from some big whig. I am nto impressed. The Symphony is below mediocre and should be closed if they cannot get people to pay for tickets to listen to their bad noise. Go to a real symphony-go to the SF Symphony. This sad outfit is nearly worthless and the audience has voted with their feet.
as for donors, please help the homeless, the hungry and sick, the old and the children who need a better early education.

When I want your monkey-brained opinion I'll rattle your cage, okay? It's truly amazing the way you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your typing, but then, making sense isn't your area of expertise, is it? Oh well, at least you only charge what your free advice is worth. To quote Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity".
Firstival if you people don't understand the significance of having a group of pure artististicity simphony permorferms in your town you should go back on your hi school books and read the importance of classical music in Liberal Arts and how much it has contributed to the the civilization and evolution in uor westenr societies.There are cities in Europe where squares and streets are dedicated in memoriam of the former Pricipal Oboe of Flute or Violin of theyr local Symphony performer.
SF Simphony is a "real" simphony?? really? They have one of the worst pricipal conductor of the world.Expecially the one who is now at the SF Opera, we know him really well.....unfortunately!Moreove r,donors
should support charity projects instead of giving money to performing arts?I'm totally agree, so close museums, librayes, stop financing Hawaian Culture and give money to Africa!...We should, all of us, cut part of our salaries for that.Every time that cultural institutions are in financial trobles there are always brilliant people like you that are taking vantages of people who are really soffering, using them as an example like a "moral revenge" against cultural institutions.You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.
Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables.If ignorance were a disability, you'd get the full pension.
One more thing , I want to suggest everybody to read this articol here is the link:
http://starbulletin.com/2008/05/16/news/story...

[Clyde]

If the symphony goes, then does that mean no more opera in Hawaii?