Local News: Show Low, AZ 

 | 

Sign Up

 | 

Sign In

Advertisment

The Literary Groong

Full story: Groong Armenian News Network

Dear Groong readers, This virtual column is dedicated to poetry, to share the talents of Armenian poets and Armenian-related poetry, and in so doing, to create another medium through which where these poets can ...

Read All 22 Comments

Comments

Showing posts 1 - 20 of22
< prev page
|
Go to last post| Jump to page:
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Monsey, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1
Jun 29, 2007
 

Judged:

1

1

1

Madam Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20520

Dear Madam Secretary Condoleezza Rice:

Your comments during U.S. House Appropriations Subcommittee on State-Foreign Operations hearings (Wednesday, March 21, 2007), on the issue of the Armenian Genocide are insulting, racist, and void of decency.

According to your remarks the United States should not be involved in a dispute between Turkey and Armenia over whether the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians almost a century ago constituted genocide.

The Armenian Genocide is an American human rights issue, not a dispute between two distant countries. Just as slavery was and still is an American human rights issue not a dispute between Nigeria or any other African state and Great Britain.

The present day Republic of Armenia, and the Republic of Nagorno Karapakh, have little concern about the Armenian Genocide because they are the only provinces of historic Armenia which were able to defend themselves against continuous Turkish aggressions and maintain their independence against the harshest odds. These Republics and their neighboring Turkish states do have many issues which have a better chance of being resolved once the United States properly acknowledges the Armenian Genocide.

It is I, and millions of Americans of Armenian descent like me, who lost their ancestral homeland, and found refuge in this great country, it is us that were promised to have our homes back by President Woodrow Wilson, it is us who want you to honor our history and our rights as human beings.

If all Americans adopted your racist attitude about human rights issues probably you would still have been a slave now. After reading your comments I wonder which is worse, the physical enslavement of people, or the enslavement of the mind which leads to the moral prostitution of the American constitution and all the values that it stands for in the hands of this administration.

Your comments are equally insulting and degrading to Turkish Americans and citizens of Turkey who are working to introduce a true democracy in that country, so that it can be integrated into the European Union. True democratic values and traditions are trampled over and destroyed in Turkey by our desire to accommodate bases for our troops, airfields for our warplanes, and contracts for our multinational corporations.

Finally, how would you feel if our past secretary of states told Dr. Martin Luther King and all the civil rights advocates “I think that these historical circumstances require a very detailed and sober look from historians and what we’ve encouraged the ‘Slave Traders’ and the ‘Negroes’ to do is to have joint historical commissions that can look at this, to have efforts to examine their past and, in examining their past, to get over their past”. I took the liberty to replace ‘Turks’ and the ‘Armenians’ with my example, but you can replace with other pairs, such as: Germans and the Jews, Serbs and Kosovars, Americans and Natives, etc.

Thank God that we still have courageous lawmakers on both sides of the isle to question your reasoning on this issue. Your choice of words “I come out of academia, but I’m secretary of state now,” I suppose this is meant to say that you used to be a decent human being when you were in academia, but now that you work for this administration you have to leave moral courage, decency, and common sense behind you.

May God give you the wisdom to do the right thing.

Sincerely,

Kevork K. Kalayjian, Jr.

“I crave, therefore I live.”

Since: May 07

Southend

ISP: Southend-on-sea, UK

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#2
Jun 30, 2007
 
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr wrote:
Madam Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20520
Dear Madam Secretary Condoleezza Rice:
Your comments during U.S. House Appropriations Subcommittee on State-Foreign Operations hearings (Wednesday, March 21, 2007), on the issue of the Armenian Genocide are insulting, racist, and void of decency.
According to your remarks the United States should not be involved in a dispute between Turkey and Armenia over whether the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians almost a century ago constituted genocide.
The Armenian Genocide is an American human rights issue, not a dispute between two distant countries. Just as slavery was and still is an American human rights issue not a dispute between Nigeria or any other African state and Great Britain.
The present day Republic of Armenia, and the Republic of Nagorno Karapakh, have little concern about the Armenian Genocide because they are the only provinces of historic Armenia which were able to defend themselves against continuous Turkish aggressions and maintain their independence against the harshest odds. These Republics and their neighboring Turkish states do have many issues which have a better chance of being resolved once the United States properly acknowledges the Armenian Genocide.
It is I, and millions of Americans of Armenian descent like me, who lost their ancestral homeland, and found refuge in this great country, it is us that were promised to have our homes back by President Woodrow Wilson, it is us who want you to honor our history and our rights as human beings.
If all Americans adopted your racist attitude about human rights issues probably you would still have been a slave now. After reading your comments I wonder which is worse, the physical enslavement of people, or the enslavement of the mind which leads to the moral prostitution of the American constitution and all the values that it stands for in the hands of this administration.
Your comments are equally insulting and degrading to Turkish Americans and citizens of Turkey who are working to introduce a true democracy in that country, so that it can be integrated into the European Union. True democratic values and traditions are trampled over and destroyed in Turkey by our desire to accommodate bases for our troops, airfields for our warplanes, and contracts for our multinational corporations.
Finally, how would you feel if our past secretary of states told Dr. Martin Luther King and all the civil rights advocates “I think that these historical circumstances require a very detailed and sober look from historians and what we’ve encouraged the ‘Slave Traders’ and the ‘Negroes’ to do is to have joint historical commissions that can look at this, to have efforts to examine their past and, in examining their past, to get over their past”. I took the liberty to replace ‘Turks’ and the ‘Armenians’ with my example, but you can replace with other pairs, such as: Germans and the Jews, Serbs and Kosovars, Americans and Natives, etc.
Thank God that we still have courageous lawmakers on both sides of the isle to question your reasoning on this issue. Your choice of words “I come out of academia, but I’m secretary of state now,” I suppose this is meant to say that you used to be a decent human being when you were in academia, but now that you work for this administration you have to leave moral courage, decency, and common sense behind you.
May God give you the wisdom to do the right thing.
Sincerely,
Kevork K. Kalayjian, Jr.
Ouch!
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Monsey, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#3
Sep 27, 2007
 
Victim Discrimination
In a letter dated September 25, 2007, eight former Secretaries of State, including Madeleine Albright, James Baker III, Warren Christopher, Laurence Eagleburger, Alexander Haig, Jr. Henry Kissinger, Collin Powell and George Schultz have urged Speaker Nancy Pelosi to prevent the Armenian Genocide resolution from reaching the House Floor.
Never have such distinguished public servants acted with such moral cowardice since the current Secretary of the State presented the same arguments during a House Appropriations Subcommittee hearing on State-Foreign Operations in March 21, 2007.
When Mahmoud Ahmadinejad questions the Holocaust we as Americans stand up for human rights and historical truth, but when the Turkish government denies the Armenian genocide, we timidly maintain that “U.S. policy is to encourage reconciliation between Turkey and Armenia”. Why don’t we encourage reconciliation between Iran and Israel over the Holocaust debate? If the German government denied that the Holocaust took place, would the same Secretaries of State send a similar urgent appeal to the Speaker of the House? Of course not, it would be absurd. There was no Israel when the Holocaust happened, and there was no Armenia when the Armenian Genocide was taking place during World War I. Most of the Armenian Genocide survivors and their descendants are right here in the United States.
It is alarming to see how much political clout an Islamist Government’s lobbyists can buy in Washington at the cost of our nation’s moral integrity.
What we can do about it is to get in touch with our Representatives and ask them not to sell America’s soul to the highest bidder. Bring the Armenian Genocide Resolution (H. Res. 106) to the House floor and vote for it!
Kevork K. Kalayjian, Jr.
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Monsey, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#4
Oct 12, 2007
 
Towards a more perfect democracy

The House Foreign Relations Committee vote 27/21 on H. R. 106, acknowledging the Armenian Genocide, is a giant step forward for a more perfect democracy here in the United States of America and in the context of our image in the world both for our allies and for our adversaries.

This is the greatest gesture of love and respect to the Turkish people. Our NATO brother-in-arms should know that, just as David Kaczynski brought his brother Theodore John Kaczynski to justice, America will not stand idle for deniers of Genocide.

It is a shame that the present administration still opposes this important human rights achievement.
Sincerely,
Kevork Kalayjian
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Monsey, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#5
Oct 20, 2007
 
Bush OK's Another Genocide

The last time a human rights issue created so much soul searching in America was probably September 22, 1862, when Abraham Lincoln signed a presidential decree for the emancipation of the slaves.

The House Foreign Relations Committee vote 27/21 on H. R. 106, acknowledging the Armenian Genocide, is the emancipation of the survivors of the victims of the genocide. This is a giant step forward for more reverence to human dignity here in the United States of America and in the context of our image in the world both for our allies and for our adversaries.

This is the greatest gesture of love and respect to the Turkish people. Those who advocate denial treat the Turkish people as inferior being not able to handle the truth. Our NATO brother-in-arms should know that, just as David Kaczynski brought his brother Theodore John Kaczynski (The Unabomber) to justice, America will not stand idle for deniers of Genocide.

President George W. Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates by opposing this human rights resolution, are giving the green light to the Turkish government to go ahead and commit another genocide against other minorities in Turkey.
All the necessary elements are there; there is the PKK which has been declared a terrorist organization; the Kurdish minority living in Turkey could easily be accused of supporting the PKK, George Bush has given his blessings to the Turkish generals, there could not be a more perfect opportunity for another ethnic cleansing.

People, who oppose this human rights issue, are bigots and racists who do not think that the Turkish people have the common sense and the decency to be treated as civilized human beings. Instead, these deniers are treating the Turks as if they are the ‘Barbarian of the Middle East’ who cannot be expected to behave like people living in Western democracies.

Hence, while we do not deny the Holocaust because we have bases and enlisted personnel in Germany, these people make us believe that we should treat the Turks as sub-human barbarians and let their governments deny a crime so that we can use their bases. What’s next? The 9/11 attacks never happened? Or, was it a civil war?

While other countries are criticized, sanctioned, and attacked when they conquer a neighboring country, according to the US State Department it is OK for the Turkish governments to attack and conquer half of Cyprus. Why? Because, we have to appease our ‘Barbarian Friends’ so that we can keep our bases in their country.

It is a shame that the present administration still opposes this important human rights achievement. It is a disgrace that there are still people amongst us who see no harm in denying a crime for profit.

This administration and its supporters marched into the White House as the defenders of the faith and the family values, they turned up to be a pack of wolves ready to sell America’s honor.

I am proud that my representative, Congressman Eliot Engel, voted for this resolution.

I urge you to make sure that H. R. comes to the House floor and that your representative votes for it!
Noubar

Norsborg, Sweden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#6
Nov 26, 2007
 
Do not respect terrorists like Bush and Condoleezza Rice.
Proud to be armenian

Since: Oct 07

TURKEY

ISP: Izmit, Turkey

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#7
Nov 26, 2007
 

Judged:

1

While they have opened their arms to you, and you jerks found yourselves as refuges in that great great country of yours, stick to what they impose you to have as a citizen living in that great great country; but , this is impossible for you spoiled pawns of christendom!
Parasites!? We're not sucking up to Russia and beg them for money to deal with our horrible economy sweetheart. You have always been used by other nations throughout your history!Persians,French,Turks, Amercians, and now Russians. Now you guys keep crying, begging to the christian west so that they may accept your claims, "Hey look, these Turks killed our dads and phucked our moms and now we dont know who our fathers are." Just pathetic! So that they may force Turkey to give you some money so that you can actually have a great great country. When will you be assuming any national personality? Really? You're just a bunch of cry babies who can't handle their own business and have to ask the parents for support and assistance! So sweeet!
I'll give you some Turkish money, go buy some candy and share with your other crying friends...:))
Well, if insulting you all a little bit makes me a beast, then you all must be unimaginably horrible creatures because insulting and lying is all that you do.
Let's be honest for a moment here... The pown country you call Armenia today DOES suck up to Russia for money and protection., and the remaing jerks that call yourselves as Armenian Diaspora DOES suck up to great great country called U.S!We've all done our homework, so let's take the facts for granted. Will Turkey make it into the EU? I don't know, and I don't give a damn.,like most of the Turks. I don't support that project. We'll see what will happen at the end:))
What I'm seriously wondering is if you really do believe that you will eventually kick Turks out of Anatolia? I mean, come on, unless you're on drugs or something, you've got to know that Armenia will never be able to achieve such a thing. And when you'll be able, the Earth will have been probably destroyed long ago, so there won't be an Anatolia or a Great Armenian Empire to fight for. You can try to get the support of your Gayreek friends at diaspora to support your cause together with theirs:))
I know it and you all know it jerks. So, my suggestion to you all is, stop living in your pink world and accept the phucking reality.
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Monsey, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#8
Jan 3, 2009
 
The birth of the Republic of Armenia on the Armenian lands under Russian Occupation was an unintended by-product of the Turkish Nationalist extremists who once successful in annihilating the Western Armenian population, they thought they could do the same to the Eastern Armenians and clear the path to a larger pan-Turkic state. It turned out that Eastern Armenians could fight and win against the Turkish onslaught, a victory which is celebrated every year in all Armenian communities.

Since that victory most Armenian organizations and historians have tried to portray this victory at Sardarabad, as the victory of the Armenian people creating the false feeling that East and West Armenians were united in this glorious joint effort. Although this makes Western Armenians feel good about themselves but the truth of the matter is that the few Western Armenians who participated in this monumental struggle, were only there by happenstance of the genocide and the persecution in Western Armenia.

Eastern and Western Armenians:
The continued myth that East and West Armenia is the same and that they are the same people and culture is a false propaganda by the political organizations who have no idea how to pursue such uniquely challenging tasks as the reclamation of a country which was not even a declared and recognized country when it was destroyed by its enemy under the suspicion that this country was secretly trying g to organize itself to subvert the control of the dominant

Armenians from Diaspora do not comprehend how Armenians in Armenia can buy, sell and use Turkish products, The answer is simple the Eastern Armenians have no problems with the Turks, they fought and pretty much they won their battle against the Turkish Empire of 1918. They even fought and won against the Azeri Turks, in 1988 through 1994. The Western Armenians would like to pat themselves on the back and think that they had something substantial to contribute in both victories. So be it!

It is Western Armenians that have a problem with Turkey and the successive Turkish governments who continue to deny their responsibility for the Armenian Genocide. They have become so good in the art of denial that they have convinced the most advanced Western powers (The United States of America, and Great Britain) to go along with them in declaring that such an event did not happen, or if it did the victims themselves were responsible to what happened to them.

If the Western Armenians want to prove their case in the international arena, and if they plan to ask for retribution, and the right to resettle their lands, they cannot use the resources of the government of the Republic of Armenia, they need to establish their own independent government of the people of Western Armenia with the participation of all affected people.

Eastern Armenians in return would use every opportunity to lecture and sermonize from various pulpits that Eastern, Western and other Armenians are the fingers on a hand that come together in a fist in a show of strength and unity against any aggression against any part of Armenia. Although it might sound good and look good on paper in reality there are deep rooted suspicions in some sectors of Diaspora Armenians about the reliability and genuine spirit of cooperation of Eastern Armenians. Diaspora Armenians are becoming comfortable with the idea that all they have to do is to support the current Armenian Republic. This meaningful rationalization is becoming a tool of lethargy not to pursue the Western Armenian cause independently, and creatively. Whereas, in my opinion, all Diaspora Armenians must support the Republic of Armenia with the clear understanding that this is just a first and required step towards the realization of Western Armenia. This step is not the one and only task, and this required step should not hinder the improvement our political skills to pursue multiple goals simultaneously.
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Monsey, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#9
Jan 3, 2009
 
In the educational arena, while there are high schools with Russian concentration, or English, French, or German concentration in Armenia, there is no high school of Western Armenian, or Turkish concentration. There are no western Armenian newspapers or periodicals printed in Armenia.

The Financial Arena:
If there was true cooperation between Eastern and Western Armenians, the Armenian economy would have flourished and developed despite the Turkish-Azeri blockade.

But there are no precedents:
Whenever the idea of a government in exile or readiness for Western Armenians is mentioned, the realistic response is to consider this an impossible task, because there are no historical precedents for such chain of events. The fact that the Western Armenian cultural and political survival is a unique issue that needs unprecedented socio political solutions must be clearly understood so that viable solutions could be imagined and implemented to make Western Armenian culture a viable culture for the centuries to come. A leadership is needed of Western Armenia/Diaspora, one that realizes the completely different circumstances under which this imaginary country needs to be reconstructed. There is no exact science and predetermined procedure to lead a dispersed nation to regain the lost homeland and insure the continuity of Western-Armenian civilization. New innovative experimentation is needed. This requires a dedicated and persistent followers; long term commitment to national goals for a culture the fragments of which are dispersed over many countries and continents.

Garage Sale
If a husband or a wife decides to sell their home without consulting his or her spouse that is usually an indicator of a serious lack of communication, the absence of respect, and the probable low levels of trust on each others ability to make the right decisions for the family unit. Even when families hold a garage sale, family members cooperate to make to select and agree on a price for the items on sale
Every now and then an Armenian institution decides to hold a garage sale getting rid of old junk in order to function more effectively in other areas, or so they claim. The most outrageous recent example of this tradition is the proposed/planned sale of the Melkonian Educational Institute of Nicosia, Cyprus by one of the most prosperous Diaspora institutions, the Armenian General Benevolent Union. The last time I was so furiously outraged about an Armenian treasure being auctioned off as money making tool was when, some rare ancient manuscript belonging to the Armenian patriarchate of Jerusalem found their way to the auction houses of Europe. I was in my early high school years at the Melkonian Educational Institute in Nicosia, Cyprus, and I kept wishing that I was this a millionaire who could purchase these manuscripts and return them to where they belong. That wish has been revived with a sense of dismay, what was I doing all these years since the last ‘Armenian Institutional Garage Sale’ how come I am not that millionaire who can resolve all this shameful monetary issues yet? I will attempt to answer this question in the next paragraph but right now let’s resolve this issue of Armenian National Garage Sales; a Western Armenian Government in Exile should outlaw any such garage sales. Any Armenian Institution for any economic political or other reason when feels compelled to auction off an Armenian national treasure should inform existing Armenian institutions about the situation. Only after notifying other Armenian Institutions, and not obtaining sufficient assistance to safeguard the Armenian National treasure, could such treasure be auctioned off to the highest bidder.
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Monsey, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#10
Jan 3, 2009
 
Success:
We have been thought so much stuff in Sunday Schools, Armenian Language Schools, Armenian Day Schools, we have been taught to become good scientists, artists, doctors, lawyers, accountants you name it, but we have not taught our children the art and the science of being successful in whatever they decide to do. For the next century we should focus on teaching our young the art being a success.

Diaspora Armenians are becoming comfortable with the idea that all they have to do is to support the current Armenian Republic. This meaningful rationalization is becoming a tool of lethargy to pursue the Western Armenian cause independently, and creatively. Whereas, in my opinion, all Diaspora Armenians must support the Republic of Armenia with the clear understanding that this support is just a first and required step towards the realization of Western Armenia. This step is not the one and only task, and this required move should not hinder the improvement our political skills to pursue multiple goals simultaneously.

Turkish-Armenian Dialogue

“The Turkish Penal Code Article 301 is a threat to freedom of expression and must be repealed now!” Amnesty International.

With the TPC Article 301 still in the books, a genuine dialogue could not take place between Turkish historians who deny the genocide, and historians of any other country who affirm it. The existence of that code prohibits any Turkish citizen to be enlightened about the history of their ancestors, and as such, any historian representing the denialist viewpoint has no permission to be enlightened, since that would lead to the subsequent prosecution of that person under the penal code 301.

The next time they receive an invitation from the Turkish government, the Armenian government, and international Armenian organizations should stress that they are ready to discuss the Genocide issue with Turkish historians as soon as the threat of prosecution under the Turkish Penal Code 301 is rescinded.

The Apology
The apology is probably a bombshell that has many Western-Armenians confused and even scared. Lets say Harut Sassounian’s grand parents came from Sassoun (Occupied Western-Armenia) and the Turks now living in his grand father’s house are apologizing and calling Harut to come back and live in his grand parent’s house. What is Harut going to do? Harut Sassounian instead writes an article Turks' Apology for Armenian Genocide: Good First Step, but not Good Enough. We really need people like Harut to think through and figure out this challenging task and come up with real responsible steps than we can take to fulfill our responsibilities, and not just wait for bigger apologies.
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr

Tappan, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#11
May 4, 2009
 
President Obama Continues the Policy of Genocide Denial

In spite of his campaign promises, President Obama failed to recognize the Armenian Genocide, and he continues the policies of his predecessor by aiding and abetting the Islamist junta in Turkey deny the crime of genocide.
The Turkish government is not at fault that denial of the genocide thrives in the USA.
It is because of our policy choices that we still permit genocide denial. Of course, U.S. policy is based on the degree of involvement of the American voting public. Each and every one us are the barometers of the degree of the immorality, stupidity, and indifference, which will be tolerated in our domestic and international policy, which will then be usurped by treacherous profiteers.
When the United States fails to duly acknowledge the crime of genocide, perpetrated by the Turkish governments of 1894-1923, the message to current perpetrators of genocide in Africa, in the Middle East, or elsewhere in the world is loud and clear:“If you are planning to commit genocide against an unwanted minority don’t do a sloppy job like the Nazis did to the Jews, do a thorough job as the Turks did to the Armenians. Kill and annihilate the majority of the population, so that there are not many survivors to retell the story or demand justice. As long as you outnumber your victims, you have the democratic majority to rewrite history according to your whim. You can blame the victims for enticing the violence; you can condemn the slaughtered minority for taking up arms to defend themselves buy blaming them for starting the killings.”
The descendants of the victims of the Genocide are few, and they are not a democratic majority to bring the needed change in Congress and in the White House. Only the active participation of all Americans will force our politicians to stand up for human rights in our foreign policy.
We have ended slavery, we have ended segregation, and we can put an end to the denial of the crime of genocide.
Please make your voice be heard in Washington.
armeniansngreeks R US

Melbourne, Australia

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#12
May 5, 2009
 
If there was true cooperation between Eastern and Western Armenians, the Armenian economy would have flourished and developed despite the Turkish-Azeri blockade

eXACTLY armenians are there own worst enamy and you base your ramblings in that the turks of the time were completely responsible for the past that armenians like you hold turkey responsible without a second thought to the armenian orchestraition that led to the succession of events resulting in the final outcomes of relocations and death

yes ARMENINS are as responsible due to there actions

tell me your thoughts on this scenario, what if

the mexicans armed trained and provided support etc for the navaho indians ,gave them weapons and told them to strick the americans and sabatage them any way they can .

what do you think would happen to the navaho !!??

what do think the americans as we know them will think and more so do to the indians after they kill there people destroy and sabatage the cities !!

ill tell you in a word ,

bedlam !?

no navaho will be safe ,ever

why did we turks wait 500 years of coexistance before all this armenians claims happened .

what about the percentage of liability armenians must account for.

your claims against turkey never happened exactly as you claim .never

my voice and my collegues will definatly voice our opinions in washington
Svetlana Swanson

Tappan, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#13
Jul 25, 2009
 
Who Is The Terrorist?

You display your flag with pride
only when everybody else does the same
without rhyme or reason, maybe shame
for ineptness to do something sane.

For years you witnessed your leaders
make a mockery out of justice,
find justifications for treachery
in constitutional loopholes, in the code
you succumb to tyranny on the emergency mode.

You trusted, once elected, they will build on their platform,
sworn in to office, both the platform and the foundations
were dismantled, auctioned! We were all exposed to new threats
thus orders for destructively precise weapons were financed!

You witnessed the destruction of the Temple of Tibet,
the Churches destroyed in Turkish occupied Armenia
the creation of gambling palaces on the Native Lands,
the occupation of Cyprus by a NATO ally
the deportation of the people worshiping another God.

Not to ask any pertinent questions,
you ask the safe one, who is the terrorist?
as if the terrorist is someone else.
high times

Melbourne, Australia

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#14
Jul 25, 2009
 
armeniansngreeks R US wrote:
yes ARMENINS are as responsible due to there actions
tell me your thoughts on this scenario, what if
the mexicans armed trained and provided support etc for the navaho indians ,gave them weapons and told them to strick the americans and sabatage them any way they can .
what do you think would happen to the navaho !!??
what do think the americans as we know them will think and more so do to the indians after they kill there people destroy and sabatage the cities !!
ill tell you in a word ,
bedlam !?
no navaho will be safe ,ever
why did we turks wait 500 years of coexistance before all this armenians claims happened .
what about the percentage of liability armenians must account for.
your claims against turkey never happened exactly as you claim .never
my voice and my collegues will definatly voice our opinions in washington
What a badly dishonest analogy!!

Why didn't you write that the "Americans killed tens of thousands of Navaho only 6 years earlier" you dishonest trash ?

Your analogy contains appalling exaggerations and lies that came straight out of the history books written by Genocidal Turks. You are liars and your German allies from WW1 confirm this fact.

Since: Oct 07

Melbourne, Australia

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#15
Jul 26, 2009
 
high times wrote:
<quoted text>
What a badly dishonest analogy!!
Why didn't you write that the "Americans killed tens of thousands of Navaho only 6 years earlier" you dishonest trash ?
Your analogy contains appalling exaggerations and lies that came straight out of the history books written by Genocidal Turks. You are liars and your German allies from WW1 confirm this fact.
your a real jackass

what if the mexicans armed the navaho and told them to attack as many us and sabatage them as much as possible

what would they do the the navaho

and the answer is bedlam and no indian would be safe

your areal peace of work highlighting bullshyt to serve your fantasies

what if what if what if !!!!

and i have some questions armenian do you want to answer them

Since: Oct 07

Melbourne, Australia

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#16
Jul 26, 2009
 
Kevork K Kalayjian Jr wrote:
President Obama Continues the Policy of Genocide Denial
In spite of his campaign promises, President Obama failed to recognize the Armenian Genocide, and he continues the policies of his predecessor by aiding and abetting the Islamist junta in Turkey deny the crime of genocide.
The Turkish government is not at fault that denial of the genocide thrives in the USA.
It is because of our policy choices that we still permit genocide denial. Of course, U.S. policy is based on the degree of involvement of the American voting public. Each and every one us are the barometers of the degree of the immorality, stupidity, and indifference, which will be tolerated in our domestic and international policy, which will then be usurped by treacherous profiteers.
When the United States fails to duly acknowledge the crime of genocide, perpetrated by the Turkish governments of 1894-1923, the message to current perpetrators of genocide in Africa, in the Middle East, or elsewhere in the world is loud and clear:“If you are planning to commit genocide against an unwanted minority don’t do a sloppy job like the Nazis did to the Jews, do a thorough job as the Turks did to the Armenians. Kill and annihilate the majority of the population, so that there are not many survivors to retell the story or demand justice. As long as you outnumber your victims, you have the democratic majority to rewrite history according to your whim. You can blame the victims for enticing the violence; you can condemn the slaughtered minority for taking up arms to defend themselves buy blaming them for starting the killings.”
The descendants of the victims of the Genocide are few, and they are not a democratic majority to bring the needed change in Congress and in the White House. Only the active participation of all Americans will force our politicians to stand up for human rights in our foreign policy.
We have ended slavery, we have ended segregation, and we can put an end to the denial of the crime of genocide.
Please make your voice be heard in Washington.
obama is an intelligant man he got some education and clearly saw that it was not as clear cut as your diaspora is deceiving the world into beliveing

he could see thee was a very valid point we made and it mmust have made sense

thus the reasons why obama isnt convinced any longer .

Since: Oct 07

Melbourne, Australia

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#17
Jul 26, 2009
 
armenian have you ever heard of Ara Baliozian the , Armenian writer

True friendship among Armenians is a rare thing indeed..." — "...Hatred and envy: they seem to come naturally to us..."

his words and im sure you armens can relat
high times

Melbourne, Australia

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#18
Jul 26, 2009
 
champion65 wrote:
<quoted text>
your a real jackass
what if the mexicans armed the navaho and told them to attack as many us and sabatage them as much as possible
what would they do the the navaho
and the answer is bedlam and no indian would be safe
your areal peace of work highlighting bullshyt to serve your fantasies
what if what if what if !!!!
and i have some questions armenian do you want to answer them
lol! You are so dumb I thought for a moment you are secretly an Armenian deliberately trying to make the Turks look stupid.

Let me try again. 6 years before 1915 was 1909. The Turks slaughtered thousands upon thousands of Armenians in Adana, Southern Turkey, 1909. Are you honestly suggesting the Russians armed these Armenians and told them to attack and sabotage as much as possible ? Even the Turks who blame the Armenians (of course!) don't mention Russians.

Try not to be a deceptive liar and mix and match events from two different times to create a bogus analogy.

Since: Oct 07

Melbourne, Australia

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#19
Jul 27, 2009
 
high times wrote:
<quoted text>
lol! You are so dumb I thought for a moment you are secretly an Armenian deliberately trying to make the Turks look stupid.
Let me try again. 6 years before 1915 was 1909. The Turks slaughtered thousands upon thousands of Armenians in Adana, Southern Turkey, 1909. Are you honestly suggesting the Russians armed these Armenians and told them to attack and sabotage as much as possible ? Even the Turks who blame the Armenians (of course!) don't mention Russians.
Try not to be a deceptive liar and mix and match events from two different times to create a bogus analogy.
oh dumb armen terrorist, i already challanged you else where and you avaoided my set of simple but informative questions in the cyprus forum i think it was.

actually i cant be boyjered with you right now
Hi everyone

New York, NY

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#20
Oct 17, 2009
 
I love this topic. I would like to meet people from Azerbajain, Turkey, Russia in the Area of Spring Valley, Nanuet, Nyack, etc. I love your history and culture. Where is a good place in Spring Valley or Nanuet to go and meet you guys. You can write to me to:

Elvismg@yahoo.com

Elvis
Tell me when this thread is updated!
(registration is not required)
Showing posts 1 - 20 of22
< prev page
|
Go to last post| Jump to page:
Type in your comments to post to the forum
Name
(appears on your post)
Comments
Type the numbers you see in the image on the right:

Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Install the Topix Community Toolbar

Never miss another reply to your comments, no matter where you are on the web.

Daily Horoscope for December 24

Libra

It's Christmas Eve and you're running around like a scalded cat. However, it will do you no end of good if you can find a few moments here and there for some quiet contemplation. You might want to visit a place that's sacred to you, or take a walk in some beautiful surroundings so you can commune with nature. You need to feel that you're connecting with something bigger than yourself.

Get your Horoscope »