'Sufis of Punjab' - Building bridges ...

'Sufis of Punjab' - Building bridges across borders ...

There are 26 comments on the India Talkies story from Aug 29, 2011, titled 'Sufis of Punjab' - Building bridges across borders .... In it, India Talkies reports that:

Book: 'The Sufis of Punjab'; Edited by Muzaffar Ali, Anoo C. Nayar and Syeda Bilgrami Imam, Publisher: Rumi Foundation, Price: Rs.1,895, Pages: 208 The birth of the Punjabi literary tradition is built into Sufi mysticism, which dates back to the birth of Shaikh Faridu'd-Din, popularly known as Baba Farid, in the late 12th century.

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Tariq

UK

#1 Aug 29, 2011
We Pakistanis an Sikhs have a lot to learn from the way the Sufis lived. This fighting between us should stop an we need to unite. We have common enemies.
mard singh

Burntisland, UK

#2 Aug 30, 2011
I agree with you, but this is a Sikh forum and most moslims who come here only do so to attack Sikhism, as a result the Sikhs react against Islam as I have and will probably carry on doing so. I like to see logical debate about various issues, unfortunately most moslims are not able to do so. I have also found that almost all the moslims who contribute on this forum have no knowledge of Sikh religion and its history. They start most most brainless threads, which you can access.
Sikh religion took alot from Islam and at the same time rejected a massive chunk of it, that does not mean that we have to be enemies for ever and ever.
Harinder

India

#4 Aug 30, 2011
Sikhs dont care a hoot about Sufis
Harinder

India

#5 Aug 30, 2011
Sikhs and Islams are poles apart

1) No five time prayers
2) No Burqa for our girls
3) No Jihad
4) No kafir ( Sikhs on contrary are suppose ot love all humans)
5) No Al taquiya
6) No snatching girls of other relgions

etc etc
more if you desire to Know about SIKHS
sdavko

Brooklyn, NY

#6 Aug 30, 2011
sikhs do care about sufis- they just dont give a hoot about these useless wahabi monkeys.
londoner

Croydon, UK

#8 Aug 30, 2011
Harinder wrote:
Sikhs and Islams are poles apart
1) No five time prayers
2) No Burqa for our girls
3) No Jihad
4) No kafir ( Sikhs on contrary are suppose ot love all humans)
5) No Al taquiya
6) No snatching girls of other relgions
etc etc
more if you desire to Know about SIKHS
1)sikhs got 5 k's or 5 articles of faith same as muslims
2)sikh women do parda and dabata same as hijab to wear modest clothes
3)sikhs also have a holy war to fight for the truth
4)a kafer is from word 'to hide' this means those who reject/hide the Truth.
5)al taqiyyah is only allowed in war and read sikh wars there was plenty of taqiyyah bribing people to switch sides
6)during partition many sikhs kidnapped muslim women from punjab
sdavko

Brooklyn, NY

#9 Aug 30, 2011
londoner wrote:
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1)sikhs got 5 k's or 5 articles of faith same as muslims
2)sikh women do parda and dabata same as hijab to wear modest clothes
3)sikhs also have a holy war to fight for the truth
4)a kafer is from word 'to hide' this means those who reject/hide the Truth.
5)al taqiyyah is only allowed in war and read sikh wars there was plenty of taqiyyah bribing people to switch sides
6)during partition many sikhs kidnapped muslim women from punjab
sala- 1 year pre partition u sullahs started harassing sikhs and non muslims in punjab-
as far kidnapping of woman, u sullahs were by far the instigators and leaders in doing so.
These are well known facts- for so called creation of an islmaic state- a totall flop of an idea by the way.
londoner

Croydon, UK

#10 Aug 30, 2011
sdavko wrote:
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sala- 1 year pre partition u sullahs started harassing sikhs and non muslims in punjab-
as far kidnapping of woman, u sullahs were by far the instigators and leaders in doing so.
These are well known facts- for so called creation of an islmaic state- a totall flop of an idea by the way.
i find you as an utterless useless sikh who is unable to refute my claims above! you justify kidnapping women it shows you are weak and not on the truth!
harinder

India

#11 Aug 30, 2011
londoner wrote:
<quoted text>
1)sikhs got 5 k's or 5 articles of faith same as muslims
2)sikh women do parda and dabata same as hijab to wear modest clothes
3)sikhs also have a holy war to fight for the truth
4)a kafer is from word 'to hide' this means those who reject/hide the Truth.
5)al taqiyyah is only allowed in war and read sikh wars there was plenty of taqiyyah bribing people to switch sides
6)during partition many sikhs kidnapped muslim women from punjab
1)Sikhs have no holy war to fight .There is no concept like "JIHAD " in Sikh Lexicon. War is the last option in Sikhs way of life .
2) The meaning of "KAFIR " In Islamic parlance, a k&#257;fir is a word used to describe a person who rejects Islamic faith, i.e. "hides or covers [viz., the truth]".(ref Wikepedia) andnot waht u describe.
3)Apostate : Punished with death in Islam where as in Sikhism it is not .
4)Dhimmi : Sikhs dont call anyone as Dhimmi and love all humans race.
5) Al taqiya : It has Quranic origin where as no such word exists in Guru Granth Sahib .
6 )None of Sikh Gurus took another men (non Sikhs ) wives as her own unlike Muhammad .
7 )Sharia : Muslims have Sharia laws where amputation of Hand exists.Sikhs are born free and live freely on this planet .

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more if you want
tanya

Queens Village, NY

#12 Aug 30, 2011
londoner wrote:
<quoted text>
1)sikhs got 5 k's or 5 articles of faith same as muslims
2)sikh women do parda and dabata same as hijab to wear modest clothes
3)sikhs also have a holy war to fight for the truth
4)a kafer is from word 'to hide' this means those who reject/hide the Truth.
5)al taqiyyah is only allowed in war and read sikh wars there was plenty of taqiyyah bribing people to switch sides
6)during partition many sikhs kidnapped muslim women from punjab
STFU our religion is NOTHING like yours. so stop it. dont try to learn about our religion unless your looking to convert...my gurus grandkids were bricked alive...a father had to take the head off his daughter so she wouldnt be raped by your people during the partition! stfu stfu stfu im so sick of you ignorant fools criticizing us let us live! only god can judge us!
Tariq

Wakefield, UK

#13 Sep 1, 2011
well there is plenty of islam bashing on here an the Hindu forum. Is that the Gurus way? an you guys profess to be peacefull. Your always ganging up with the hindus againt us, just like 1947. You was used like cannon fodder in all your history an you guys lost the most. I hope you do get your Khalistan. I regret some pakistanis are abusive on the forums. These forums should be used for the better of the communities. I think the sufi followers should take the iniative for good relations between the two communities. The Dargahs an Tombs are where people of all faiths visit. Islam was spread by theses great sufis especially in south Asia. I dont agree with the wahabis, infact they are against the sufis. The Taleban in Swat killed many sufis an peers. Blowing up tombs thats not Islam. Yet the sufis came from Afghanistan. Shows the wahabi infleunce through the Soviet Afghan war. The battles at Bala Kot in the 1800s with Shah Ismael were the start of wahabism in South Asia. Sikhs even today go to sufis i have seen for help. I have seen them ask for taweez from these sufis.
sdavko

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Sep 3, 2011
Tariq wrote:
well there is plenty of islam bashing on here an the Hindu forum. Is that the Gurus way? an you guys profess to be peacefull. Your always ganging up with the hindus againt us, just like 1947. You was used like cannon fodder in all your history an you guys lost the most. I hope you do get your Khalistan. I regret some pakistanis are abusive on the forums. These forums should be used for the better of the communities. I think the sufi followers should take the iniative for good relations between the two communities. The Dargahs an Tombs are where people of all faiths visit. Islam was spread by theses great sufis especially in south Asia. I dont agree with the wahabis, infact they are against the sufis. The Taleban in Swat killed many sufis an peers. Blowing up tombs thats not Islam. Yet the sufis came from Afghanistan. Shows the wahabi infleunce through the Soviet Afghan war. The battles at Bala Kot in the 1800s with Shah Ismael were the start of wahabism in South Asia. Sikhs even today go to sufis i have seen for help. I have seen them ask for taweez from these sufis.
Tariq- the sikhs on this forum are not looking to bash anyone- they are not interested in bashing muslims- but it is muslims who come to this forum and abuse sikhs-
Remember the sikhs here have no interest or desire to go to any muslim forum-
So it is only natural that muslims will get abused back when then come to this forum with their abusive minds.

1947 was the making of u muslims- who kicked everyone who belonged to that land out to make ur so called islamic state- 10 million people displaced thanks to ur muslim exclusive demands-
India is secular and has a muslim population equal to that of pakistan- yet in pakistan u people harassed,raped,killed so many that there are only 1% remaining.
The statistics shows by itself who are the intolerant bast@#rds around!
Yes the Sikhs lost alot---- that in itself shows- who was the abusive one- u muslims started ur harassement 1 year pre independence- well known and documented!
Parveen Shah

UK

#15 Sep 3, 2011
Sikhs don't bury their dead, they are cremated

Islam is a branch of Abrahamic faiths as is Judaism and Christianity hence Muslims have burial.

Buddhism, Sikhism and Hinduism are Dharmic not Abrahamic.

In Islam, the Prophet Mohammad pbuh, is considered the last and final Prophet of Allah SWT - but in Shia Islam, Imam Ali Hussain is the last and final Prophet
shershah

Croydon, UK

#16 Sep 3, 2011
Parveen Shah wrote:
Sikhs don't bury their dead, they are cremated
Islam is a branch of Abrahamic faiths as is Judaism and Christianity hence Muslims have burial.
Buddhism, Sikhism and Hinduism are Dharmic not Abrahamic.
In Islam, the Prophet Mohammad pbuh, is considered the last and final Prophet of Allah SWT - but in Shia Islam, Imam Ali Hussain is the last and final Prophet
no Imam Hussein was the rightful successor to rule but he was not a Prophet.
Tariq

Wakefield, UK

#17 Sep 4, 2011
Lets start again. Guys this thread was supposed to be dedicated to the great Sufis. No haters. Dont bring the dirty politics of South Asia. Sikhs werent told to leave Pakistan they left on their own choice. Theres still Sikhs in Pakistan today. They come every year for pilgrimage there. Imam Hussein was the grandson of the beloved Prophet not a Prophet in hes own right. The finality of the Prophet of Islam is an important tenet of Islam, an our belief. Anyone who beliefs otherwise is out of the fold of Islam, hence the Ahmadis are not considered muslims. I dont believe for one second that given a chance Sikhs an Hindus dont oppose Islam an muslims. From forums like these to radio (Talk sport) shows to bollywood an history books of South Asia they show there true colours. The newspapers in India an news channels spew anti muslim an anti islam propoganda. Didnt newspapers in India publish the cartoons of our Prophet.? Would they do that with any other religion. Yet India makes billions off muslim architecture. Tourism.Muslims are kept out of politics on purpose. Its very hard to get in Universities an IIT in India. Yes theres a lot of discrimination in India against muslims.
harinder

Delhi, India

#18 Sep 4, 2011
Our ancestor did interact with all of you.
It was not a happy story.
We have since then moved on .
Good luck and be happy;
to all of you where ever you are.
Tariq

Wakefield, UK

#19 Sep 4, 2011
harinder wrote:
Our ancestor did interact with all of you.
It was not a happy story.
We have since then moved on .
Good luck and be happy;
to all of you where ever you are.
Yes they did, but the political side overshadowed the spiritual side. You dont hear or read much about the spiritual side. The history we have been fed is about war war war. Thats why the newer generation grows up with anger an suspicion. The interfaith groups need to work more on this. It was good to see the Sikh community stand by the muslim community in the recent riots. Thanks
Harinder

Delhi, India

#20 Sep 4, 2011
Well I guess we did that becuse every one should have the right to practise his relgion freely.
If Chritisans had been attacked as they were in 1857 mutiny in India we protected them then also.
It is part of our faith.

You must have also read of how

Bhai Kanhaiya :--

The Mughals had surrounded the city and stopped all their food supplies, and here was Bhai Kanhaiya sharing with them what little water they had. They had tried to stop him many a time, but he would not pay any heed. Guru Gobind Singh summoned Bhai Kanhaiya and explained that he had received a complaint about his actions on the battlefield.

Guruji said,“These brave Sikhs are saying that you go and feed water to the enemy and they recover to fight them again – Is this true?”

Bhai Kanhaiya Ji replied "Yes, my Guru, what they say is true. But Maharaj, I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the battlefield. I only saw human beings. And,... Guru Ji,.. they all have the same God’s Spirit?– Guru Ji, have you not taught us to treat all God's people as the same?"

You are all going through a rough patch in life.
Hope you get out of the mess.
sdavko

Brooklyn, NY

#21 Sep 4, 2011
Tariq wrote:
Lets start again. Guys this thread was supposed to be dedicated to the great Sufis. No haters. Dont bring the dirty politics of South Asia. Sikhs werent told to leave Pakistan they left on their own choice. Theres still Sikhs in Pakistan today. They come every year for pilgrimage there. Imam Hussein was the grandson of the beloved Prophet not a Prophet in hes own right. The finality of the Prophet of Islam is an important tenet of Islam, an our belief. Anyone who beliefs otherwise is out of the fold of Islam, hence the Ahmadis are not considered muslims. I dont believe for one second that given a chance Sikhs an Hindus dont oppose Islam an muslims. From forums like these to radio (Talk sport) shows to bollywood an history books of South Asia they show there true colours. The newspapers in India an news channels spew anti muslim an anti islam propoganda. Didnt newspapers in India publish the cartoons of our Prophet.? Would they do that with any other religion. Yet India makes billions off muslim architecture. Tourism.Muslims are kept out of politics on purpose. Its very hard to get in Universities an IIT in India. Yes theres a lot of discrimination in India against muslims.
Muslims have held very high positions in the politics of india from foreign minister to other important positions-----

Well Sikhs were not told to leave ur pakistan- they were simply told convert or get raped,killed,looted.

The sikhs in pakistan today are very few- <1% and even they are getting killed- recently a 16yr old sikh boy was beheaded because he refused to convert to muslim religion-

Freaking grow up tariq and clear ur eyes- if thats even something u are capable of.
Parveen Shah

UK

#22 Sep 4, 2011
Shershah, in some countries Imam Hussain is revered hence they are Shia not Sunni.

Sdavko my mother is half Hindu and Shia Muslim, my dad is Pakistani so I'm a mixed person, India has a rich Mughal heritage as well as a bloody one but its same for Hindus and Sikhs, you have Mahatma Gandhi and Guru Nanak and on the downside you got the likes of Nathuram Godse and Bhindranwale who spread sectarian hate. The partition was not of a Muslim making it was divide and conquer, and as this is a Sikh forum I want to remind you Jalianwallah Bagh is nothing compared to what's happened in Afghanistan, Iraq etc, if you really fight against oppression instead of talking why you never ever discuss such things? Are you scared? Peace out

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