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Justices may decide if vendors can snub gay weddings

There are 2814 comments on the Daily Press & Argus story from Mar 20, 2014, titled Justices may decide if vendors can snub gay weddings. In it, Daily Press & Argus reports that:

When Vanessa Willock wanted an Albuquerque photographer to shoot her same-sex commitment ceremony in 2006, she contacted Elane Photography.

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Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#1857 Apr 4, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If they decide based on religious freedom, then they have to side with either the baker's religious beliefs of the customer's religious beliefs.
One is going to win, one is going to lose.
So who's religious belief is more important?
The gay guys of course.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1858 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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He is participating in the event.
No more than the electric company, the water company, the clothing store, the tux rental store, etc, etc.

He's providing a product to be use in the event.

He's not participating in it.

TomInElPaso

“Impeach the reality show actor”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#1859 Apr 4, 2014
hi hi wrote:
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You don't think a lawsuit will be effective? I would have imagined the ACLU would leap on that; they have a great case.
It's obviously an unconstitutional law. But really, why would anyone want to live there? It has to be one of the worse states in the country.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1860 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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In this case an event = a gay couple. Do you agree with that?
Nope, the event happens to involve a gay couple.

An event can't equal people.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1861 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Wrong again. Because they were getting married. It's the marriage, not the men.
To quote the judge- "a distinction without a difference".

The only reason the baker is opposed to the marriage is because of the PEOPLE being married.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1862 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Wrong again. Because they were getting married. It's the marriage, not the men.
No. The baker doesn't object to marriages. He only objects to marriages of two men (and possibly two women). Would it be okay with you if the baker objected to marriages of a Catholic and a Jew?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1863 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Wrong, they would have to respect both of them. The gay couple would have to find a baker that didn't have religious objections.
Nope, if requiring the baker to follow the law violates the baker's religious freedom, then allowing him to break the law would violate the customer's religious freedom.

Forcing the gay couple to search around for a baker willing to serve them would violate THEIR religious beliefs as well as the law.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1864 Apr 4, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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The gay guys of course.
In this case, yes.

But it comes down to competing rights, the decision is based on which person would suffer the most harm.

There is essentially no harm to the bake by baking the same cake he's baked hundreds of times in the past but selling it to a same-sex couple instead of an opposite-sex couple.

The gay couple would be harmed by his refusal of service, having to hope they can find someone who WILL serve them, etc., etc.

So yes, the gay guys win, as they did.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1865 Apr 4, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, if requiring the baker to follow the law violates the baker's religious freedom, then allowing him to break the law would violate the customer's religious freedom.
Forcing the gay couple to search around for a baker willing to serve them would violate THEIR religious beliefs as well as the law.
Tell me more about this religion that forbids people from finding another baker.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1866 Apr 4, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, the event happens to involve a gay couple.
An event can't equal people.
Tell that to the judge.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1867 Apr 4, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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No. The baker doesn't object to marriages. He only objects to marriages of two men (and possibly two women). Would it be okay with you if the baker objected to marriages of a Catholic and a Jew?
Yes, he objected to being a participant in the marriage of two men, his religion says it's a sin.
If he believes it's a sin it's ok with me if he objects to being a participant in any wedding including mine. Wouldn't bother me at all. At most it would be a slight inconvenience.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1868 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Tell me more about this religion that forbids people from finding another baker.
Tell me more about this religion that forbids a baker from baking a cake.

Yep, my point exactly. if you're going to rely on religious beliefs for your defense, that opens up any whacky belief people want to make up.

Which is why the judges have repeatedly rejected a religious belief as a justification for breaking the law. If they didn't, all of a sudden people would develop a "sincerely held religious belief" that paying taxes & following speed limits & robbery & murder & rape & polygamy are part of their religion.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1869 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Tell that to the judge.
The judge already knows; which is why he ruled against the bigot baker.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1870 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Yes, he objected to being a participant in the marriage of two men, his religion says it's a sin.
If he believes it's a sin it's ok with me if he objects to being a participant in any wedding including mine. Wouldn't bother me at all. At most it would be a slight inconvenience.
Unless you happen to be a member of a minority group, and then that "slight inconvenience" can easily become a significant burden to fully participate in commerce when the majority decides they don't wont to do business with you.

So I can break laws if it only results in a "slight inconvenience" to some anonymous anti-gay topix poster? When did that become law?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1871 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Tell me more about this religion that forbids people from finding another baker.
Tell us more about the religion that sanctifies denying services to others.

Oh wait! I know where to find those: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Uganda,... Feel free to live under such thriving regimes. You surely won't be missed in Tyngsboro.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#1872 Apr 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Tell me more about this religion that forbids people from finding another baker.
Tell me more about this religion that teaches intolerance and rejection of those god's children who dare to have been born different (albeit allegedly in his image). Isn't this the religion that makes claims about a "god of love?"

On second thought, don't bother. I reject your religion and I reject you for bearing false witness about your religion and the false god that you claim..
Fundies R Mentally Nil

Philadelphia, PA

#1873 Apr 4, 2014
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Tell me more about this religion that teaches intolerance and rejection of those god's children who dare to have been born different (albeit allegedly in his image). Isn't this the religion that makes claims about a "god of love?"
On second thought, don't bother. I reject your religion and I reject you for bearing false witness about your religion and the false god that you claim..
FYI, that stupid filth occasionally tries to claim it is not motivated by any particular religious beliefs.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#1874 Apr 5, 2014
Fundies R Mentally Nil wrote:
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FYI, that stupid filth occasionally tries to claim it is not motivated by any particular religious beliefs.
I agree that he's an idiot and I agree that he is a liar and a fraud. That's why I challenged his bullsh!t with the questions that I used. One can only wonder what bullsh!t responses he will come up with. One might also wonder why he would believe anyone buys his bullsh!t.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1875 Apr 5, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
He's providing a product to be use in the event.
He's not participating in it.
By providing the product he becomes a participant. Power, water, etc are public utilities. The baker is the owner of a private shop. The person that rents the tux, he could make the same claim as the baker.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1876 Apr 5, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Tell me more about this religion that forbids a baker from baking a cake.
Yep, my point exactly. if you're going to rely on religious beliefs for your defense, that opens up any whacky belief people want to make up.
Which is why the judges have repeatedly rejected a religious belief as a justification for breaking the law. If they didn't, all of a sudden people would develop a "sincerely held religious belief" that paying taxes & following speed limits & robbery & murder & rape & polygamy are part of their religion.
You are being ridiculous again.

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