How do you draw a distinction between the bible as a book and "well-documented teachings"? am genuinely curious; I am thinking you have touched upon a nuance I was unaware of. I am openly curious about this distinction.(In other words, I am not asking just to argue.)<quoted text>
Same Dan here.
If someone walks in the door and says "I want a wedding cake, date is X and it needs to be X feet high, X layers and chocolate with raspberry filling", then the baker bakes the cake. No baker on Earth could possibly divine that the customer is gay, nor would it be germane, andn you cannot discriminate against the PERSON. Bake the cake.
If some guy walks in the door and says "I want a wedding cake, its for me and my fiance Bill, and it needs to be X feet high......etc." Then this situation changes *marginally*. Now, your baking the cake *can be* construed as your endorsement of the event in question. Certainly, when someone eats the cake, likes it and asks "who made this-it's awesome and I'm getting one for my upcoming same-sex marriage", your business' name will be broadcast as a potential 'bakery for gay wedding cakes'.
If the baker is some sort of devout Christian or something and thinks "Geez, I have an objection to this gay marriage thing and I don't want to be "the gay wedding cake guy" or whatever, the SMART devout Christian baker says "I'm booked, let me refer you to Baker Y on Main Street-lets' call them" and declines the business in that manner.
BTW, as soon as someone threw the Bible (and just the Bible) up as their defense for NOT baking the gay wedding cake, I'd tell them "sorry Charlie, the Bible doesn't say a damn thing about gay weddings nor cakes for them". A Catholic, for instance, could, ostensibly, demonstrate that they have a religious objection as the teachings are well-documented, et. al., but someone simply throwing the Bible up would have a tough time showing me where it codifies an objection to participation in a gay wedding.
Turning away money is stupid, but people can be stupid.
Dunno. Tough one, but I'm uncomfortable with the government getting into forcing people to contract for things. It's not housing, or things like that. It's cake and flowers.
Also, I say the solution is allow discrimination against *anyone* for *any* reason.
Anyone whatsoever, for any reason whatsoever.
It will either make things fair for everyone or cause such outrage that saner thought processes may begin to prevail.
Someone else, in this thread or another, has also suggested signs in windows that openly declare people's discrimination(s). The free market would then sort itself out.