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Justices may decide if vendors can snub gay weddings

There are 2815 comments on the Daily Press & Argus story from Mar 20, 2014, titled Justices may decide if vendors can snub gay weddings. In it, Daily Press & Argus reports that:

When Vanessa Willock wanted an Albuquerque photographer to shoot her same-sex commitment ceremony in 2006, she contacted Elane Photography.

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Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Mar 20, 2014
Careful now, there are lots of people who have some pretty strong religious beliefs concerning fundamentalist xstains. The fundies could find themselves without an inn for the evening.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#2 Mar 20, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
Careful now, there are lots of people who have some pretty strong religious beliefs concerning fundamentalist xstains. The fundies could find themselves without an inn for the evening.
You still don't get it. Christians would never push themselves on someone who was opposed to them nor would they want to support a business that is against them. Christians would say, "Thanks for your honesty. We're moving on here." Then they would find a business run by Christians. Not at all hard to do. Birds of a feather, after all, flock together.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#3 Mar 20, 2014
Chance wrote:
You still don't get it. Christians would never push themselves on someone who was opposed to them
Yeah, Christians would never push their way into interfering with someone's marriage, or their right to serve their country, or their freedom to be parents, or schoolteachers.

Oh wait, Christians pushed their way into ALL those things.
Chance wrote:
nor would they want to support a business that is against them. Christians would say, "Thanks for your honesty. We're moving on here." Then they would find a business run by Christians. Not at all hard to do. Birds of a feather, after all, flock together.
And gee, only about 80% of businesses are RUN by Christians, so I'm sure that happens a lot. It must be nice to be the massive majority, and pretend what it would be like to be oppressed.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Mar 20, 2014
Chance wrote:
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You still don't get it. Christians would never push themselves
Oh stfu, you divorced, ultra christianist hypocrite.

The fundie xstain organizations can't stop suing and whining about the "war on xmas" and the "war against christians."

American Center for Law and Justice
Christian Legal Society
Alliance Defense Fund
The Rutherford Institute

Your lying is exceeded only by your vapidity in lying, you gross mullah garbage. How old are you? When are you going to croak?

Since: Jul 09

Indy/Philly/Toronto

#5 Mar 20, 2014
Hey ... it's America ... money dictates everything. As soon as there's money to be made, most won't care who patronizes their business. Almost every business that has spoken out against a minority has either gone out of business or changed their policy to stay in business.

If a private business wants to turn away customers for any reason, they should have that right. So, suing a photographer who doesn't like you is just plain whining. However, public and government services should not be (and are not) allowed to discriminate - but that's another story/topic.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#6 Mar 20, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
Careful now, there are lots of people who have some pretty strong religious beliefs concerning fundamentalist xstains. The fundies could find themselves without an inn for the evening.

I'm not sure about this one... as in I'm really not sure and open to varying input. If the religious nut jobs want to eliminate themselves from a lucrative consumer market, why shouldn't they? And aren't there plenty of talented gay and/or gay friendly vendors available to tap into that lucrative market... and deprive the nut jobs of that revenue?

Would you really want to force a nut job to cater your wedding, ostensibly one of the more important days in the participants' lives? And is one's wedding the best time to teach the nut jobs lessons they are likely too mentally and emotionally constipated to understand anyway?

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#7 Mar 20, 2014
BS Detector wrote:
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I'm not sure about this one... as in I'm really not sure and open to varying input. If the religious nut jobs want to eliminate themselves from a lucrative consumer market, why shouldn't they? And aren't there plenty of talented gay and/or gay friendly vendors available to tap into that lucrative market... and deprive the nut jobs of that revenue?
Would you really want to force a nut job to cater your wedding, ostensibly one of the more important days in the participants' lives? And is one's wedding the best time to teach the nut jobs lessons they are likely too mentally and emotionally constipated to understand anyway?
Sure, we wouldn't want them gays to get uppity and think they can ride the bus in any seat they choose.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Mar 20, 2014
BS Detector wrote:
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I'm not sure about this one... as in I'm really not sure and open to varying input. If the religious nut jobs want to eliminate themselves from a lucrative consumer market, why shouldn't they?
Because the slippery slope here is not fictive.

If some business owner's "religious" beliefs begin to trump the Civil Rights Act concept of open access to places of public accommodations, or other rights, then we would have scientologist owned businesses refusing to cover pharma or mental health care in their employees' health insurance polices; or wiccan businesses refusing to serve christians; or muslim owned businesses demanding that female employees wear burkas at work.

Naturally what the christianists here are talking about is _their_ right to discriminate. Not "religious freedom." Because that would mean members of all the other religions could discriminate against fundamentalists. And we know the xstains don't permit that.

The free market concept is a chimera. Christians, mostly fundies, are the overwhelming majority in buybull belt areas. If they can discriminate in places of public accommodation the playing field won't somehow be equal because some jewish owned business down the avenue could bar fundies.

None of this is mysterious. It is prosaic. We (supposedly) live in nation of religious freedom...which wouldn't somehow mean christianity gets special treatment.
david traversa

Cordoba, Argentina

#9 Mar 20, 2014
A real artist is not supposed to express moral preferences ; that's what artistry means , you may disagree; but passing judgement on your material means you're severely limited and should have been a politician instead . they're unbeatable when it comes to appear upright or saintly .
justme

United States

#10 Mar 21, 2014
I don't understand it, people go into business to sell cakes, flowers, whatever. Why in the heck would you not sell a cake because the man is marrying a man? Mind your own! I'm a Christian, I've read that bible, I've never read anything that supported what these people are doing.
Larry

Mesquite, TX

#11 Mar 21, 2014
My money will spend somewhere else. Go ahead "SNUB" me. There are so many other business out there that wants my dollars. We will just see just who stays in business and go's out of business.
Let the GAMES BEGAIN.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#12 Mar 21, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
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Because the slippery slope here is not fictive.
If some business owner's "religious" beliefs begin to trump the Civil Rights Act concept of open access to places of public accommodations, or other rights, then we would have scientologist owned businesses refusing to cover pharma or mental health care in their employees' health insurance polices; or wiccan businesses refusing to serve christians; or muslim owned businesses demanding that female employees wear burkas at work.
Naturally what the christianists here are talking about is _their_ right to discriminate. Not "religious freedom." Because that would mean members of all the other religions could discriminate against fundamentalists. And we know the xstains don't permit that.
The free market concept is a chimera. Christians, mostly fundies, are the overwhelming majority in buybull belt areas. If they can discriminate in places of public accommodation the playing field won't somehow be equal because some jewish owned business down the avenue could bar fundies.
None of this is mysterious. It is prosaic. We (supposedly) live in nation of religious freedom...which wouldn't somehow mean christianity gets special treatment.
But do you want to give them that much power/influence on your wedding day?

I don't like Islam and will discriminate against nut job muslims whenever I damn well please. Same with born again hypocrites. And again, I would have no intention of letting any religious nut job make my wedding day more of a political statement than my wedding. And I also have no intention of any silly "level" playing field. I realize that is my personal perspective. Then again, I learned in the military to take the high ground and rain bad things down on the bad guys. The aforementioned bad guys would never get anywhere close to my wedding. It would be my lady's day. The bad guys don't deserve to to be anywhere near it. So they wouldn't be. Fukkem.

P.S. I don't know what a chimera is.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#13 Mar 21, 2014
Chance wrote:
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You still don't get it. Christians would never push themselves on someone who was opposed to them nor would they want to support a business that is against them..........
Please list the types of businesses who turn away christian customers.

And if you believe that most christians would quietly leave any establishment where they were told "we don't serve your kind, here", then you aren't thinking clearly.

If that were the case, how did religion become a "protected class" in all anti-discrimination laws?
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#14 Mar 21, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
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Because the slippery slope here is not fictive.

I also don't know what "fictive" means.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#15 Mar 21, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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Yeah, Christians would never push their way into interfering with someone's marriage, or their right to serve their country, or their freedom to be parents, or schoolteachers.
Oh wait, Christians pushed their way into ALL those things.
<quoted text>
And gee, only about 80% of businesses are RUN by Christians, so I'm sure that happens a lot. It must be nice to be the massive majority, and pretend what it would be like to be oppressed.
I believe it's called "Heterosexual Privilege". They KNOW that this sort of discrimination isn't going to happen to them, so they can pretend like they wouldn't mind if it did.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#16 Mar 21, 2014
Larry wrote:
My money will spend somewhere else. Go ahead "SNUB" me. There are so many other business out there that wants my dollars. We will just see just who stays in business and go's out of business.
Let the GAMES BEGAIN.

Booya!

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#17 Mar 21, 2014
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> But do you want to give them that much power/influence on your wedding day?
I don't like Islam and will discriminate against nut job muslims whenever I damn well please. Same with born again hypocrites......
In most places, that would be illegal, since religion is a "protected class".

I don't think most folks would want to deal with a business owner who hates them, but, on the other hand, no one should have to walk into a store and wonder if "their kind" is allowed to purchase something.

How many public accommodations should any citizen have to enter before finding someone who will serve them, and how would such embarrassment be avoided? Signs on each establishment outlining the sorts of "undesirables" that aren't welcome?

Do we really want to go back to that? It's a sticky question, but one I think that society has already answered.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#18 Mar 21, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh stfu, you divorced, ultra christianist hypocrite.
The fundie xstain organizations can't stop suing and whining about the "war on xmas" and the "war against christians."
American Center for Law and Justice
Christian Legal Society
Alliance Defense Fund
The Rutherford Institute
Your lying is exceeded only by your vapidity in lying, you gross mullah garbage. How old are you? When are you going to croak?
Looks like Santa never stopped at your house.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#19 Mar 21, 2014
Quest wrote:
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In most places, that would be illegal, since religion is a "protected class".
I don't think most folks would want to deal with a business owner who hates them, but, on the other hand, no one should have to walk into a store and wonder if "their kind" is allowed to purchase something.
How many public accommodations should any citizen have to enter before finding someone who will serve them, and how would such embarrassment be avoided? Signs on each establishment outlining the sorts of "undesirables" that aren't welcome?
Do we really want to go back to that? It's a sticky question, but one I think that society has already answered.
How many businesses refused to serve you?
What types of business were they?
How did they know you were gay?

I'm guess none and they didn't.

“Married 6/17/08”

Since: Feb 07

Porterville, CA

#20 Mar 21, 2014
Chance wrote:
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Deleted as "Troll Trash"
I'll call flat out BS ,on that comment. The "thumpers" push their bs all the time you don't see it because you believe it. Now just go away, far far away

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