Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico

Full story: The Heritage Foundation

Earlier today, the Supreme Court of New Mexico ruled that the First Amendment does not protect a Christian photographer's ability to decline to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony-even when doing so would violate the photographer's deeply held religious beliefs.
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The title should be civil rights trumps religion bigotry.

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But have they invented a pill to cure homophobic religious bigotry?
That would be nice, but there is no need, as it can be cured with information and doses of reality. The problem remains that some just aren't open to information that conflicts with the prejudice they were taught as children, which continues to be reinforced by some adults who claim to speak and judge for God. The pill we need is one that allows assimilation of new information which conflicts with the irrational prejudice we were taught as a child. Fortunately, many can do this without the help of medication.

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Cujo wrote:
The title should be civil rights trumps religion bigotry.
Agreed. This is about public accommodations laws, and the desire to discriminate in the public square. It has nothing to do with marriage. The couple wasn't even seeking a marriage, but rather a commitment ceremony.

Now, they can actually get married, though again, marriage and public accommodations laws are separate laws.

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Well both are issues of civil rights. The "public accommodation" does actually fall under the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ. And Loving v. Virginia, 388 US.1 (1967) was a landmark civil rights decision about interracial marriage which seems to be relevant once again in the context of SSM.

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Chief Justice Earl Warren's opinion for the unanimous court held that:
“ Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

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Well both are issues of civil rights. The "public accommodation" does actually fall under the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ. And Loving v. Virginia, 388 US.1 (1967) was a landmark civil rights decision about interracial marriage which seems to be relevant once again in the context of SSM.
Still, the title of this heavily biased article is false as well as pejorative. No marriage was involved. Marriage laws are separate from public accommodations laws. One does not require the other.

Yet this example is being used to oppose marriage equality, and promote allowing anti-gay discrimination in the public square.

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Chief Justice Earl Warren's opinion for the unanimous court held that:
“ Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."
Additionally, among the 14 Supreme Court rulings affirming marriage as a fundamental right of the individual, are these:

Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971):“[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974):“This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977)(plurality):“[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”

Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977):“[I]t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”

Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978):“[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987):“[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression of emotional support and public commitment.”

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992):“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996):“Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003):“[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education.… Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”

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And that is the issue I see throughout these threads and online. They attempt to state that marriage and therefore SSM is not a civil right, a right, a fundamental human right to bond regardless of...
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And that is the issue I see throughout these threads and online. They attempt to state that marriage and therefore SSM is not a civil right, a right, a fundamental human right to bond regardless of...
Such a position of course requires ignoring the 14 Supreme Court cases that affirm marriage as a fundamental right, as well as the promise of equality in the founding documents and the requirements of equal treatment under the law found in the constitution in article 4, the 5th, and 14th amendments.
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Anal sex has some serious side effects, because it's not natural.

Pretty simple.
Why would you bring explicit sex into this discussion. If your daughter was marrying a man would you be ok if we talked about how they had sex on a public forum?

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<quoted text>Why would you bring explicit sex into this discussion. If your daughter was marrying a man would you be ok if we talked about how they had sex on a public forum?
The attempt is to dehumanize. But what those who try to use specific sex acts to dehumanize and justify harming others hope you forget or don't know, is that even more heterosexual people do all of the same things gay people do, while not all gay people do what they imagine.

Most gay women, and many gay men, do not practice anal. The daughter and her husband may very well be doing the things many gay people do not. This is one of the many reasons we do not use sex between consenting adults as a basis for civil rights or any other rights.

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Such a position of course requires ignoring the 14 Supreme Court cases that affirm marriage as a fundamental right, as well as the promise of equality in the founding documents and the requirements of equal treatment under the law found in the constitution in article 4, the 5th, and 14th amendments.
And look at how long it has taken. Agreed. You only notice what you want to and focus on what you want. Seems the political and economic trump those rights.

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then there is LOVE are we so knowledgeable that we define love as anything that makes us comfortable? What is the truth? what is love?

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Nice philosophical question. Don't leave such a precious thought to yourself. Thanks for sharing.

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I assume this thread was triggered by Bosson's attitude expressed as follows:
“But there is a price, one that we all have to pay somewhere in our civic life,” the justice wrote.“The Huguenins have to channel their conduct, not their beliefs, so as to leave space for other Americans who believe something different. That compromise is part of the glue that holds us together as a nation, the tolerance that lubricates the varied moving parts of us as a people.”
I guess I should not be surprised that a justice would be this utterly ignorant and uneducated.
Our beliefs result in our conduct.
If one doesn't respect life, which is a belief, then one's conduct reflects that. Murder.
Conduct is dictated by belief. If you believe SOMETHING DIFFERENT, like in murdering, raping, and stealing to get your kicks ... THEN WE DON"T MAKE ROOM FOR THEIR BELIEFS.
No, Bosson, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are not qualified to sit on the bench. And since liberty itself is the very power to NOT associate with people you don't want to, you have effectively ruled against everyone's basic human right to just say no.
Never mind the obvious fact that no one has a right to anyone's service, like photography.
Unbelievable.
Now, watch the liberals (which really means fascist bigots) swarm about and attempt to debate away reality.
They make up own reality and wish others to follow.

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then there is LOVE are we so knowledgeable that we define love as anything that makes us comfortable? What is the truth? what is love?
Jesus/Yeshua is truth.

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6 Jesus answered,“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

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Taking photos of a same sex couple in no way violates the photographer's free exercise of religion. They may still believe same sex marriage and homosexuality in general are a sin, may choose not to participate in such practices themselves, and follow whatever religious doctrine they might care to pursue. They simply don't have the right to hold others to their religious moral standards, which would actually be a violation of the free exercise of the customer.

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Taking photos of a same sex couple in no way violates the photographer's free exercise of religion. They may still believe same sex marriage and homosexuality in general are a sin, may choose not to participate in such practices themselves, and follow whatever religious doctrine they might care to pursue. They simply don't have the right to hold others to their religious moral standards, which would actually be a violation of the free exercise of the customer.
Your thinking is backward yes?
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Your thinking is backward yes?
sentence structure is backwards, Joseph, yes?

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