Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Li...

Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico

There are 1050 comments on the The Heritage Foundation story from Aug 22, 2013, titled Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico. In it, The Heritage Foundation reports that:

Earlier today, the Supreme Court of New Mexico ruled that the First Amendment does not protect a Christian photographer's ability to decline to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony-even when doing so would violate the photographer's deeply held religious beliefs.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Heritage Foundation.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#698 Dec 23, 2013
It is wrote:
<quoted text>
a sin to lie. Or so I've heard...
So why do you keep doing it.....

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#699 Dec 23, 2013
Knightkore wrote:
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I make no judgements.....
Here is the judgment you wrote in post #690 above,
"you aren't exact a good Catholic"
Go back and read what you posted, and then go ask your God to forgive you for lying.

Simple truth is that you post malicious judgments about other people all the time. Your Topix personality exudes hate and intolerance.

Can't you give the rest of us a break from your evil finger-pointing for the holiday?

“TO HATE SOMEONE SIMPLY FOR WHO”

Since: Aug 08

THEY ARE IS WRONG!!!

#700 Dec 23, 2013
Knightkore wrote:
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So why do you keep doing it.....
The question is WHY do you insist that EVERYONE live by your religious beliefs? I mean IF ya don't then kindly keep your religious beliefs OUTTA of my Government business....thanks!!!
Andrew

Albuquerque, NM

#701 Dec 23, 2013
Knightkore, why is it you feel its your duty to worry about everyone else's sins? There are plenty you have committed with here all of your self-righteous posts, worry about those! Same sex marriage is not infringing on your rights or way of life. Get used to it!

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#702 Dec 23, 2013
Knightkore wrote:
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Or believing like atheists that the universe just popped into existence and there are no morals.....not really.....playing your game Silk.....no morals.....sounds like freedom right.....
Get to pull out all the stops and turn it all back on progressive liberals forcing them to see themselves in the mirror.....
But don't worry you morals are just as relevant as Hitler's in the big game of atheist Darwinism.....
Godwin's Law.

Anyway, the "objective vs relative morals" talk makes interesting table talk, but doesn't matter in real life.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#703 Dec 23, 2013
Knightkore wrote:
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But you will not see fit to correct them?
And you let them die in their sin.....and go to hell.....look at Lobo.....a Pharisee of Pharisees.....stopping the people from being saved because Lobo thinks he knows what is what.....more than God.....
Do you go around on Friday nights telling anybody you see working they are worthy of death?
Exodus 35:2

“I ain't afraid of no ghosts.”

Since: Aug 08

Dear old mucky Drasnia

#704 Dec 23, 2013
JosephOne wrote:
But don't worry you morals are just as relevant as Hitler's in the big game of atheist Darwinism.....
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

-Adolf Hitler

Might want to try again.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#706 Dec 24, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
-Adolf Hitler
Might want to try again.
Adolf wasn't a Christian.....

Look up some history for once and not what his propaganda machine did to put words in his mouth to take over.....Silk.....I thought you are better than that.....can't think for yourself anymore.....would believe any lie out there.....
Horace

Albuquerque, NM

#707 Dec 24, 2013
Knightkore wrote:
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Adolf wasn't a Christian.....
Look up some history for once and not what his propaganda machine did to put words in his mouth to take over..
Aww, so Hitler was just misunderstood? Got it.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#708 Dec 24, 2013
Hitler was devil incarnate, but seeker for earthly power. He used that power to make the whole world fear him, which happened. The Atomic Age came with dreaded CONSEQUENCES, Death won at the end and here we are. Merry Christmas.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#709 Dec 24, 2013
Is Luz telling Luz Death is it? When I was younger, death was nowhere and now Christmas lets me be happy until those 40 days and that Holy Week, after which the Life Cycle contains the usual. We live and carry on. Merry Christmas to my sister in China. Death be not proud for Thanks for the BABE in the manger: We live.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#711 Oct 10, 2014
But they are facts. ;)
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Except of course that those aren't the facts.
But keep thinking that's going to stop us from getting marriage equality across America by the end of the decade.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#712 Oct 10, 2014
Why? You will ignore it. Just take any gender studies course at a university. Gender is a choice, or did you miss the all the many new flavors people can choose to call themselves these days? LOL!
Willothewisp wrote:
Yankee Yahoo:
"Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, thus, a choice..."
Source, cite, peer review...or use your dictionary.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#713 Oct 10, 2014
Marriage is not mentioned, sorry. There is no historical argument that marriage is a right, unlike life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Marriage would fit into a pursuit, but that doesn't mean one had a right to what they are pursuing. Like wealth, you are welcome to pursue it, but you don't have a right to make people give it to you. Marriage is no different.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
9th amendment.
"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Until proven otherwise, marriage is a right retained by the people.
The onus is on YOU to prove it's not a right.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#714 Oct 10, 2014
The same SCOTUS that defended slavery? Right. Sorry, SCOTUS is never an argument. Nor are my arguments limited to the USA ... marriage is a social construct of all humanity, not just Americans. A logical, philosophical, rational defense is required, not the opinions of idiots in government.
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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SCOTUS says so, 14 times:
Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.
Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,”
Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965):“We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects."
Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967):“The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971):“[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”
Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974):“This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977)(plurality):“[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”
Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977):“[I]t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”
Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978):“[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987):“[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[] of emotional support and public commitment.”
Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992):“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

blah blah blah

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#715 Oct 10, 2014
"But even if Congress believed at the time of DOMA's passage that children had the best chance at success if raised jointly by their biological mothers and fathers, a desire to encourage heterosexual couples to procreate and rear their own children more responsibly would not provide a rational basis for denying federal recognition to same-sex marriages."

It does provide a rational basis. Nor do we require any rational basis for rejecting the redefinition of marriage ... a rational excuse is required to do so in the first place.

You have it all backwards as usual. Prove "same-sex marriage" is a rational concept that exists in the first place, and was not made up out of thin air ... as it obviously was.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#716 Oct 10, 2014
davy wrote:
This is one of your dumbest posts yet. For you that is really saying something. Basic human rights according to who? Attained by what means? The right to murder people for blasphemy during the inquisition? The right to lynch blacks in the antebellum South? The right to gas Jews in concentration camps. The right of pro-lifers to shoot doctors in the back? All those people thought they were in the right. You seem to be the only one stupid enough to realize that people don't always agree on what is right.
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Those are the things you defend, not I. Or did you forget that I consider you racist, bigoted, and against basic human rights in the first place?

Probably, I've been gone awhile.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#717 Oct 10, 2014
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"The Court finds that neither Congress' claimed legislative justifications nor any of the proposed reasons proffered by BLAG constitute bases rationally related to any of the alleged governmental interests. Further, after concluding that neither the law nor the record can sustain any of the interests suggested, the Court, having tried on its own, cannot conceive of any additional interests that DOMA might further."
"Prejudice, we are beginning to understand, rises not from malice or hostile animus alone. It may result as well from insensitivity caused by simple want of careful, rational reflection or from some instinctive mechanism to guard against people who appear to be different in some respects from ourselves."
Conclusion: DOMA, as it relates to Golinski's case, "violates her right to equal protection of the law under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution".(Golinski)
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

Evidently, you don't get it. How the Court determines things is entirely separate from how other institutions determine things. Society defines marriage ... not the State. The State cannot even define itself as an institution, because society created the State, too.

The arrogance of the modern legal community thinking they may opine on everything under the sun.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#718 Oct 10, 2014
Willothewisp wrote:
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This has been posted numerous times in various forms and he ignores it. He has the holy grail of rights.
Of course I ignore it. The Court does not define marriage. The State does not define marriage. They are defending the pursuit of something ... not the redefinition of it. And even IF the Court defended a concept that does not exist, remember, it's the same Court that one defended slavery.

The racist South once tried to redefine marriage for racial purity ... just like gays are trying to redefine it as something else. They are both wrong, no matter what the Court opines.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#719 Oct 10, 2014
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
-Adolf Hitler
Might want to try again.
Someone claiming they are a Christians does not make it so.

You may want to try again. ;)

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