Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Li...

Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico

There are 1050 comments on the The Heritage Foundation story from Aug 22, 2013, titled Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico. In it, The Heritage Foundation reports that:

Earlier today, the Supreme Court of New Mexico ruled that the First Amendment does not protect a Christian photographer's ability to decline to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony-even when doing so would violate the photographer's deeply held religious beliefs.

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“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#484 Sep 9, 2013
davy wrote:
would you support my right to open a restaurant that refuses to serve blacks?
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dun dat

sarahomo

“Sara for Fun (( M 2 F ))”

Since: Aug 10

Bahrain

#485 Sep 10, 2013
davy wrote:
would you support my right to open a restaurant that refuses to serve blacks?
<quoted text>
Your fingers are not along one size fits

Since: Mar 09

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#486 Sep 10, 2013
sarahomo wrote:
<quoted text>Your fingers are not along one size fits
That did not translate well.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#487 Sep 10, 2013
Can it get more convoluted. An employee has won based on religious freedom. A ban on her wearing a hijab violates her civil and religious rights. Workplace discrimination. If it is not one thing, then it is another.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/09/oba...

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#488 Sep 10, 2013
Sorry if this seems off-topic, but the issue is workplace and religious freedom....so....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#489 Sep 10, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
Can it get more convoluted. An employee has won based on religious freedom. A ban on her wearing a hijab violates her civil and religious rights. Workplace discrimination. If it is not one thing, then it is another.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/09/oba...
Seems reasonable to me, and I oppose ALL religion. There was no undue hardship for A&F in accommodating her religious beliefs.

Now if her beliefs required her to wear a freshly slaughtered chicken on her head, that would have been a different story.

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#491 Sep 10, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
Sorry if this seems off-topic, but the issue is workplace and religious freedom....so....
How is providing the primary service of a business to someone who holds different views in any way a violation of religious freedom?

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#492 Sep 10, 2013
Inidel wrote:
Today it is the liberal left who are the bigots.
This should be amusing.
Inidel wrote:
They preach intolerance and lock step conformity in pursuit of their no-conformist ideology.
Are you high? How is seeking equality under the law preaching intolerance?
Inidel wrote:
Tolerance abounds for homosexuals, religious extremists, criminals, foreign invaders and such but there s NO tolerance of any kind for people who are serious practitioners of ANY actual faith.
Actually, allowing equality under the law for same sex couples in no way impacts upon the religious freedom of "serious practitioners of ANY actual faith." They do not, nor have they ever had the right to project their religious moral views onto others.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#493 Sep 10, 2013
The Constitution is based o freedom and human rights for ALL, males and females. This is the United States of American where we live, where we enjoy our 'fought for' freedom. Women have the freedom to be able to be women and not belittled because we are not male. If that's the way she likes to live, she doesn't fit in with the rest of the USA resident. She lives her life in a way that does not RESPECT our way of living, our female independence. She has no democracy in her thinking She needs to return where she is just another being where females are not considered worthy of respect, where only males rule. We love our land, theUnited States of Americans. Don't like? Go where you're wishing to be.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#494 Sep 10, 2013
Inidel wrote:
Today it is the liberal left who are the bigots.
They preach intolerance and lock step conformity in pursuit of their no-conformist ideology. Tolerance abounds for homosexuals, religious extremists, criminals, foreign invaders and such but there s NO tolerance of any kind for people who are serious practitioners of ANY actual faith.
Actual faith???

That's funny. Somehow I bet YOUR faith is an actual faith, eh? And you think we have no tolerance for you, eh? You are alive, aren't you.... and not incarcerated. You are free to spew your paranoia on the web. If we were intolerant, your simple ass would be, um.... gone.

Your post is filled with contradictions which lead me to believe you are either very young or you are very uneducated.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#495 Sep 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems reasonable to me, and I oppose ALL religion. There was no undue hardship for A&F in accommodating her religious beliefs.
Now if her beliefs required her to wear a freshly slaughtered chicken on her head, that would have been a different story.
How about a pasta strainer for the person who says he belongs to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Lighten up.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/13/man-win...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#496 Sep 11, 2013
Inidel wrote:
Today it is the liberal left who are the bigots.
They preach intolerance and lock step conformity in pursuit of their no-conformist ideology. Tolerance abounds for homosexuals, religious extremists, criminals, foreign invaders and such but there s NO tolerance of any kind for people who are serious practitioners of ANY actual faith.
There is no reason people should tolerate discrimination just because that discrimination is based on religion.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#497 Sep 11, 2013
Inidel wrote:
Today it is the liberal left who are the bigots.
They preach intolerance and lock step conformity in pursuit of their no-conformist ideology. Tolerance abounds for homosexuals, religious extremists, criminals, foreign invaders and such but there s NO tolerance of any kind for people who are serious practitioners of ANY actual faith.
You overlook the glaring and well documented difference: We are not trying to use the law to harm you.

The Catholic church, Mormon church, and others, have been spending millions to use the law to deny to us the rights they expect for themselves. We are not trying to deny to religious groups the legal rights they deny to us.

Denial of legal equality, as promised in the founding documents and required by the constitution, is the key you refuse to see.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#499 Sep 11, 2013
Stay wrote:
in the closet and give the rest of us the respect and tolerance we deserve.
Now you state you have the right not to be offended. You want others to respect and give you the tolerance you don't give to others by asking them to stay in the closet? Sounds abusive. Why not just stand in the corner?

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#500 Sep 11, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you state you have the right not to be offended. You want others to respect and give you the tolerance you don't give to others by asking them to stay in the closet? Sounds abusive. Why not just stand in the corner?
person's all confused I felt the same until I gave it a second look. In the corner you're seen.

Since: Mar 09

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#501 Sep 11, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
The Constitution is based o freedom and human rights for ALL, males and females. This is the United States of American where we live, where we enjoy our 'fought for' freedom. Women have the freedom to be able to be women and not belittled because we are not male. If that's the way she likes to live, she doesn't fit in with the rest of the USA resident. She lives her life in a way that does not RESPECT our way of living, our female independence. She has no democracy in her thinking She needs to return where she is just another being where females are not considered worthy of respect, where only males rule. We love our land, theUnited States of Americans. Don't like? Go where you're wishing to be.
America is about NOT requiring others to "fit".

The ONLY ones who do not belong here are those that do not see and value this, and would deny it to others.

Since: Mar 09

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#503 Sep 11, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
<quoted text> person's all confused I felt the same until I gave it a second look. In the corner you're seen.
For those who have not been Free, it takes time to learn Freedom down deep into the bones.
Another

Huntsville, AL

#504 Sep 11, 2013
INFIDEL wrote:
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to collaborate with a gay person is no different than being forced to collaborate with a child molester.
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sick post

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#505 Sep 11, 2013
INFIDEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Am I high? I wish... I have NO problem with homosexuals. But what does a serious Christian, Muslim or Jew do about the conflict between their religion and popular culture. All three faiths outright condemn homosexuality (and adultery and idolatry...). For a serious practitioner of these faiths to collaborate with a gay person is no different than being forced to collaborate with a child molester. Gay people deserve tolerance but their is a difference between tolerance and encouragement. I don't know exactly where that line is but I know we have crossed it. The baker who refused to make the wedding cake for the gay marriage has been harassed, hounded and threatened with death as have his family members. Why aren't those people who issued the threats being caught and prosecuted for hate crimes? I don't need a lecture from the far-left to tell me who is being victimized by extremists. There is NO difference between the militant homosexual rights movement and the "decency societies" that tried to force segregation down everyones throats. Abuse and intolerance can wrap themselves in the mantle of rightiousness but it still does not make them right.
First, your basic premise is wrong.

While true some religious leaders and believers among those faiths condemn homosexuality, many who have dedicated their lives to study of the actual texts do not: "What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." (James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary)

And once again you ignore it is only those who claim religion as an excuse, who are trying to use the law to deny to others the rights they expect for themselves. It is only (some but not all) religious groups who want to use the law to impose segregation. This time, they want segregation based on perceived sexual orientation, but removing the laws that prevent discrimination would allow segregation for any other reason as well.

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." (Coretta Scott King)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#506 Sep 11, 2013
INFIDEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Am I high? I wish... I have NO problem with homosexuals. But what does a serious Christian, Muslim or Jew do about the conflict between their religion and popular culture. All three faiths outright condemn homosexuality (and adultery and idolatry...). For a serious practitioner of these faiths to collaborate with a gay person is no different than being forced to collaborate with a child molester. Gay people deserve tolerance but their is a difference between tolerance and encouragement. I don't know exactly where that line is but I know we have crossed it. The baker who refused to make the wedding cake for the gay marriage has been harassed, hounded and threatened with death as have his family members. Why aren't those people who issued the threats being caught and prosecuted for hate crimes? I don't need a lecture from the far-left to tell me who is being victimized by extremists. There is NO difference between the militant homosexual rights movement and the "decency societies" that tried to force segregation down everyones throats. Abuse and intolerance can wrap themselves in the mantle of rightiousness but it still does not make them right.
Most likely because those "death threats" didn't really happen?

Btw, you lost any high ground you think you had the moment you compared homosexuality to child molesters.

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